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dj
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« on: October 02, 2012, 09:44:37 PM »

Now that sale time has come has anyone noticed just how many times Schnittker seems to end up being the high bidder from certain farms ie, Cameo Hills Farm and Blue Chip Farm? You can't tell me or others that he isn't bidding up horses for them so what if he ends up with the final bid. He isn't the only one just watch and learn.
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 09:51:32 PM »

He has his price and owners to step up.. He is close to those farms and the owners and knows the yearlings.. If he isn`t bidding you had better stay away..
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 11:01:18 PM »

HE GOT A GREAT LOOKING COLT,,,, HIP #78,,,,
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« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2012, 04:44:18 AM »

He needs more to ruin the game by cheating the fans in races like the jug, futurity, etc.

JJ does not respect Ray.
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« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2012, 06:49:42 AM »

HE GOT A GREAT LOOKING COLT,,,, HIP #78,,,,

Look at the names of colts out of 2 nd dam..  Rockin Ray....
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« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2012, 06:57:17 AM »

He needs more to ruin the game by cheating the fans in races like the jug, futurity, etc.

JJ does not respect Ray.

I would say more of a monopoly .

In tbreds Lucas kind of did the same thing.
After Lucas would break down so many to get the derby horse he lost many owners and many left the tbred world and  today I have no respect at all 4 Lucas!

How many yearlings does  Ray buy a year?
How many  race and how many break downs?

I think drugs have destroyed harness!
How many positives has this guy had?

Please give me your reason u think  Ray has ruined the game?
Cause he sure spends some serious coin.
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« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2012, 07:21:22 AM »

Lots of times the price on these yearlings is final before they go in the ring....If Ray has to go over the agreed on price the farm throws him credits back for his purchase amount over that price
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« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2012, 07:25:51 AM »

I would say more of a monopoly .

In tbreds Lucas kind of did the same thing.
After Lucas would break down so many to get the derby horse he lost many owners and many left the tbred world and  today I have no respect at all 4 Lucas!

How many yearlings does  Ray buy a year?
How many  race and how many break downs?

I think drugs have destroyed harness!
How many positives has this guy had?

Please give me your reason u think  Ray has ruined the game?
Cause he sure spends some serious coin.


Staking and entering horses in a race and then belly aching over the conditions or requirements is bullshit!!!
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« Reply #8 on: October 03, 2012, 08:04:17 AM »

the money is so good that the farms are getting more and more into the racing business(here..not canada)..ray buys the colt for huge money..which looks good on paper for the farm and then they retain a piece of the horse. Good for everyone involved...
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« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2012, 08:27:44 AM »

HE GOT A GREAT LOOKING COLT,,,, HIP #78,,,,



 HORSE LOOKED GREAT IN VIDEOS
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« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2012, 08:43:18 AM »

ray has alot inside deals especially with steve jones and his crew ,,,,and with the kimmelman clan,,,IMO
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« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2012, 08:53:10 AM »

Guess others have the same belief that I do. As for Kimmelman and Jones I wouldn't trust either of them. Bill Brown must be rolling around in his grave watching the operation of Blue Chip and Kimmelman's crew.
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« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2012, 11:50:21 AM »

the farms want the yearlings to go to high profile sucessful barns in order to get the best chance to be sucessful.

im sure he gets great lines of credit and terms of payment which allows him leeway in getting the colts started and digging up buyers to form partnerships
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« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2012, 12:02:25 PM »

these high profile buyers   buy what they want and then shop the colts around to prospective owners...i used to work for a guy awhen i was a young guy that would buy a colt and then call owners and say i got this colt u need part of  ..how much u want...and its worked for years that way
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« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2012, 12:09:09 PM »

these high profile buyers   buy what they want and then shop the colts around to prospective owners...i used to work for a guy awhen i was a young guy that would buy a colt and then call owners and say i got this colt u need part of  ..how much u want...and its worked for years that way
called spread the risk of loss since most of these purchases WILL NOT MAKE MONEY.
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« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2012, 01:10:07 PM »

ray has alot inside deals especially with steve jones and his crew ,,,,and with the kimmelman clan,,,IMO

Steve Jones and Ray have been partners on many horses including former NYSS standout Last Call at Dems along with Steve Demeter.

I wouldn't trust Jones or Kimmelman.
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« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2012, 02:58:25 PM »



 HORSE LOOKED GREAT IN VIDEOS



How many bad videos doe you see from commercial breeders Huh
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« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2012, 02:59:59 PM »

How many bad videos doe you see from commercial breeders Huh

A FEW
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« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2012, 04:48:16 PM »

I couldn't believe how far off I was on #14 Baby Shaq, my bid was in the $50,000's and she's an 8th foal

I don't believe I can make money paying $100,000 for her and didn't

I wish him good luck, he's a good guy and a very hard worker
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« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2012, 10:00:26 PM »

Vickis Glory as a grand-dam has sold 3 and had only one winner that has produced $50,000 and Credit Winner has been bred six times to Victory Dream mares with Shaq Is Back being the best of all of them.  $100,000 seems awful high in my book! Time will tell what happens.
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« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2012, 10:05:01 PM »

Vickis Glory as a grand-dam has sold 3 and had only one winner that has produced $50,000 and Credit Winner has been bred six times to Victory Dream mares with Shaq Is Back being the best of all of them.  $100,000 seems awful high in my book! Time will tell what happens.

and outbid on Stirling Colleen tonight, #203, I was at $62,000, she sold for $80,000

loved the filly, didn't personally like the risk at that price
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 10:06:17 PM »

Just a general question about sales bidding if you guys don't mind.

What's to stop a person from making a 'private deal' behind the scenes for a horse and then bidding like crazy and then if the horse sells to the crazy bidder for a high price, he can just get a reimbursement later?

For example, lets say a trainer talks to a breeder and says i'll pay 60k for your colt. The breeder says "i like that price, i accept" So, the person who wants to pay 60 bids up the horse to PAST 60 and if someone outbids them, lets say up to 90k and the original bidder gets the horse, he just pays 90 for the horse and then gives back 30 to the breeder behind the scenes to make good on the handshake 60k price. If someone ELSE gets the horse for 90 (for example) than the horse goes to a different owner for 90, the breeder gets 30k more than he was expecting and he can give the guy who was willing to pay 60 a nice cut of that profit.

What's to stop anyone from doing this?
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« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2012, 07:55:25 AM »

nothi9ng ...but the sale company makes thier commission off the sale price so someone is just giving money away
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« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2012, 07:57:19 AM »

also..this is why they have auctions......so the highest bidder wins
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« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2012, 07:31:42 PM »

Watching the sale at Lexington it seems that 5,000 dollar increments seem to move by pretty quick wouldn't you agree?
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