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Author Topic: 15 claimer goes 150.4 on sloppy track at The Meadows  (Read 2559 times)
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« on: October 02, 2012, 12:31:23 PM »

At the Meadows today. Race 1. Trainer just acquired the horse 3 weeks ago. Can anyone guess who the trainer is?
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 02:25:17 PM »

Gilbert or Burke ?
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 02:27:58 PM »

IGUES A CHEAT
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 02:33:52 PM »

Burke can do some amazing things with a horse in just a week or two. I just wish I knew how you could get a horse to shave 3 seconds so fast.
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 02:34:32 PM »

Burke can do some amazing things with a horse in just a week or two. I just wish I knew how you could get a horse to shave 3 seconds so fast.
THEY DO IT WITH NEEDLES
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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 02:39:08 PM »

THEY DO IT WITH NEEDLES

Oh press was told bar shoe and letting out hoppers bet report says  3.75 hours out !
Pig says needles!

People should listen to pig inside information!
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 03:42:32 PM »

horse could only improve once coletta stopped driving and training
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 03:50:53 PM »

horse could only improve once coletta stopped driving and training
And here's anther great thought!
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 04:53:36 PM »

And here's anther great thought!


Burke uses better air in his race bikes. thumbs up
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 04:57:57 PM »


Burke uses better air in his race bikes. thumbs up

I thought that was it
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 05:00:32 PM »

I thought that was it

Summer air in the tires accounts for faster times than winter air.
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 06:36:02 PM »

horse could only improve once coletta stopped driving and training
Gee that had nothing to do with it   doh      sarcasm
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 06:47:38 PM »

Summer air in the tires accounts for faster times than winter air.

maybe he borrowed lucky bar shoes from pena since he isnt needding them right now.

Was the other trainer using horse for goat roping?
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 11:04:32 PM »

The Burkes belong in a jail cell next to Lou Pena.

BAN THE BURKES

BURKES = CHEATERS
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 11:06:48 PM »

Next week the horse will go sub 150!!!!!! This man is a genius!!!!!!!
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 11:14:09 PM »

Next week the horse will go sub 150!!!!!! This man is a genius!!!!!!!

Did you lend the Burkes your super powers?   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy

The ones that make comments that it is possible should get their heads out of Ron's..........
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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2012, 11:21:24 PM »

Did you lend the Burkes your super powers?   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy

The ones that make comments that it is possible should get their heads out of Ron's..........
My father jor-el must have granted him super powers!!!!!!
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 11:23:36 PM »

My father jor-el must have granted him super powers!!!!!!

Was your father a chemist?   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 11:27:00 PM »

Was your father a chemist?   laughing guy   laughing guy   laughing guy
He was a kryptonian!!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2012, 11:32:30 PM »

The Burkes gave some of the rocket fuel to a 15 claimer. Their special formula deadens the pain a horse might feel. It also helps the breathing.
Sweet Lou is getting something for pain. His perfect trip at the Red Mile showed that. His gait isn't fluid & his head is off like a horse that is hurting. I give credit to Sweet Lou (has no choice) for being gritty.
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2012, 11:35:31 PM »

Burke can do some amazing things with a horse in just a week or two. I just wish I knew how you could get a horse to shave 3 seconds so fast.

One does it the same way one has done it for at least 25 years now.  By taking a horse from a "regular" barn (one not using the newest blackmarket breathing/pain meds) and treating them for breathing and pain.  There's simply NO other way to even somewhat consistently show form reversals of that caliber. Not on any sort of routine basis.  And not in a week.
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« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2012, 12:25:41 AM »

and we keep doing it,,,,,,hard work on who to claim
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« Reply #22 on: October 03, 2012, 05:38:19 AM »

One does it the same way one has done it for at least 25 years now.  By taking a horse from a "regular" barn (one not using the newest blackmarket breathing/pain meds) and treating them for breathing and pain.  There's simply NO other way to even somewhat consistently show form reversals of that caliber. Not on any sort of routine basis.  And not in a week.

He is loaded with cash I asked him to fund a small staff of people to observe his methods for a couple months.

It would take 8-10 good men to travel and be very vigilant.

If he keeps winning and my staff sees nothing then we will know he's clean.

Of course he ignored my request.
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« Reply #23 on: October 03, 2012, 06:35:21 AM »

IF BURKE IS LEGIT THEY SHOULD THROW EVERYONE ELSE OUT OF THE HALL OF FAME
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« Reply #24 on: October 03, 2012, 06:38:55 AM »

and we keep doing it,,,,,,hard work on who to claim

Not really.

I've been in the game a long time.  In the past, I've worked under some of the best trainers around.  I've also worked under a top chemist or two.  I learned things from both.  Anyone who can consistently take 2-3 (sometimes more) seconds off a horses time within a week-- as we could 95% of the time-- is treating for breathing and pain with meds above and beyond what the local vets are carrying.  With the exception of one owner, who was part of the supply chain, none of our owners knew what the horses were being pre-raced with either... or that it was anything above and beyond the norm.  Nor do I suspect they really cared.  

But here's another pattern to look forward re: chemists and claiming horses.  You can improve them a LOT in a week treating for those two things but, typically, they won't hold up to those sorts of miles.  90+% of them will be done in 2-3 months.  You can make them go faster... but its really hard to keep them sound when they're artificially over-extending their natural capabilities every week.

Oh, and one also never takes a horse off another "chemist."  And, really, "chemist" is giving most of them far too much credit.  Now if one were to claim say, a Coleman horse, and drop it three seconds in a weeks time... THEN I would be impressed.

Mind you, I'm not accusing Mr. Burke of anything.  I do not know him nor do I follow his stable closely. But, I do know the game.  And I do know the signs/symptoms of when its being played.
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