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« on: October 02, 2012, 06:41:50 AM »

I know this goes on a lot at smaller harness tracks with people trying to rob the offshores.....But who takes Bangor? I have played with about 20 different offshore places and don't remember any of them taking Bangor....In the 9th race Saturday the exacta came 6.50 to 1 over 18-1 and paid $8.80:

  RACE 9 - Bangor Raceway - ME - September 29, 2012
 Conditions: $3000 CLAIMING  
 Gait: Pace     Purse: $2,500     Class: 3000CL     Distance: 1 mile     Track Cond: SL     Temp-Allow: 51-3     Off Time: 4:51 PM
 
 
HN  Horse  PP  1/4  1/2  3/4  Str  Finish Actual LQ Odds  Driver  Trainer
4  Mister Mystic N  4  1/1H  1/1Q  1/1Q  1/1Q  1/3H 2:02.0  31.2  6.50   Christopher Nye  Shawn Nye
 
3  Llyr  3  2/1H  2/1Q  2/1Q  2/1Q  2/3H 2:02.3  31.4  18.40   Chris Long  Michael Hitchcock
  
2  Dusty Lane Oscar  2  4/8T  5/4T  5/4T  4/3H  3/5 2:03.0  31.2  4.70   Valerie Grondin  Chris Davies
  
6  Northern Regent  6  6/13Q  6/5T  4/3Q  3/3Q  4/9 2:03.4  32.3  4.70   Michael Cushing  Charlene Cushing
  
5  Mac N Ernie  5  5/11Q  7/6T  6/6T  5/6H  5/10 2:04.0  32.0  4.90   Greg Bowden  Donald Gallant
  
7  Sporty Brenlin  7  7/14T  4/3T  3/2T  6/7H  6/20H 2:06.0  34.4  4.90   Steven Nason  Rebecca Hawley
  
8  A Night In Paris  8  8/16T  8/7T  8/8Q  7/10H  7/22 2:06.2  34.1  5.10   W. Drew Campbell  Dustin White
  
1  Van Esteem N  1  3/2T  3/2T  7/7T  8/15H  8/34H 2:08.4  36.3  *4.20   Russell Lanpher III  Bernard Charlton

 
Time:  28.2 59.4  (31.2) 1:30.3  (30.4) 2:02.0  (31.2)  
 
HN  Horse  Driver Win  Place  Show    
4  Mister Mystic N  Christopher Nye 15.00  2.20  4.00    
3  Llyr  Chris Long   3.20  4.20    
2  Dusty Lane Oscar  Valerie Grondin     3.80    
Wager Type  Numbers/Payouts Pool    
Exacta  (4/3 $8.80)    
Trifecta  (4/3/2 $29.80)    

The exacta and trifecta paid what it should have on paper, I couldn't get the final pool totals but it appeared that someone bet like $300 to win on the other five horses going behind the gate as they all went off basically the same price. The winner who paid $15.00 was literally like a 2-5 shot in the race and could never lose and the 3 was second best on paper (as you can see by the low place prices)....I cant understand that type of investment because there is no way those offshore places are paying off on a race like that (I assume they had to find at least one offshore who took Bangor or there would have been no point to lay out all that money)
 
 
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« Reply #1 on: October 02, 2012, 06:51:03 AM »

IT LOOKS LIKE THEY FOUND SOME PLACE TO BET OFF-SHORE
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« Reply #2 on: October 02, 2012, 08:43:49 AM »

Someone has been doing this at Bangor during their summer meet on a fairly regular basis. Why who knows....but there's no offshore around that would take Bangor. Maybe it's the same guy who spread 2k on 5 horses in a race @ the Meadowlands quite a few times this year?
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« Reply #3 on: October 02, 2012, 08:57:11 AM »

i heard there is an open betting window at bangor
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« Reply #4 on: October 02, 2012, 09:05:27 AM »

i heard there is an open betting window at bangor

Its probaly the Parham group--they are betting too much with the tiny pools and making it lookk real bad---And yes an open window is full swing


They made a Buffalo double $2.70 with a $4.00 horse and $26.00 horse. Figure it out already. Its blatant larceny. Not pool manipulating. Jusy past posting with open windows

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« Reply #5 on: October 02, 2012, 09:09:31 AM »

Its probaly the Parham group--they are betting too much with the tiny pools and making it lookk real bad---And yes an open window is full swing


They made a Buffalo double $2.70 with a $4.00 horse and $26.00 horse. Figure it out already. Its blatant larceny. Not pool manipulating. Jusy past posting with open windows

if so then why do you continue to bet harness racing at all ?
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« Reply #6 on: October 02, 2012, 09:20:39 AM »

if so then why do you continue to bet harness racing at all ?
Well if u luv it u can't help it!
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« Reply #7 on: October 02, 2012, 09:22:19 AM »

Well if u luv it u can't help it!

you love being robbed ?
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« Reply #8 on: October 02, 2012, 09:23:38 AM »

if so then why do you continue to bet harness racing at all ?

It would appear that MOST people have STOPPED. Handles dropping everywhere. See any correlation ?
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« Reply #9 on: October 02, 2012, 09:31:28 AM »

you love being robbed ?

Are you a troll?
You posting is suspicious.
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« Reply #10 on: October 02, 2012, 09:37:48 AM »

if so then why do you continue to bet harness racing at all ?

I DONT
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« Reply #11 on: October 02, 2012, 09:38:30 AM »

It would appear that MOST people have STOPPED. Handles dropping everywhere. See any correlation ?

Thank you sir
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« Reply #12 on: October 02, 2012, 09:40:15 AM »

Are you a troll?
You posting is suspicious.

Looks like a safe bet and I dont need an open window to cash this one
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« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2012, 09:41:05 AM »

It would appear that MOST people have STOPPED. Handles dropping everywhere. See any correlation ?

open window believers say that it has been going on for yrs same as their claim about juicing
handles at racetracks were fine until about 2005-6 check the meds handle back then
then  the adw and offshore rage began to peak
add in the 24 hr availability of the live poker boom on or offshore
don't forget all the racinos built since 2001 around the country and last but not least the worst depression the country has seen

you want to blame the open window for all the drop in handle go for it
though it looks to me and others the very same people here moaning about it are still betting the races
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« Reply #14 on: October 02, 2012, 09:43:53 AM »

I DONT

so the post you made about betting thinking out loud in the na cup was a lie ?
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« Reply #15 on: October 02, 2012, 09:45:21 AM »

so the post you made about betting thinking out loud in the na cup was a lie ?

Glad to see you been around and know EVERYTHING.

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« Reply #16 on: October 02, 2012, 09:50:13 AM »

Glad to see you been around and know EVERYTHING.


no i am here to read and learn from everyone
i thought back then betting tol was a nice bet
just wondering why someone now would lie about having bet it
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« Reply #17 on: October 02, 2012, 09:55:42 AM »

no i am here to read and learn from everyone
i thought back then betting tol was a nice bet
just wondering why someone now would lie about having bet it


Welcome back NIATROSS!!!
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« Reply #18 on: October 02, 2012, 09:56:14 AM »

open window believers say that it has been going on for yrs same as their claim about juicing
handles at racetracks were fine until about 2005-6 check the meds handle back then
then  the adw and offshore rage began to peak
add in the 24 hr availability of the live poker boom on or offshore
don't forget all the racinos built since 2001 around the country and last but not least the worst depression the country has seen

you want to blame the open window for all the drop in handle go for it
though it looks to me and others the very same people here moaning about it are still betting the races


I blame the open window for odds changing at he half or later on frontrunners , thus chasing intelligent people away

Thats why handle is down. They got sick of being robbed. Watch a race once in while and you'll figure it  all out.Patrons left the crooks to get is all for themselves

Soon---no game
Reason-open window and drugs
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« Reply #19 on: October 02, 2012, 09:58:44 AM »

Welcome back NIATROSS!!!

nice try i hear he posts at its if you still want to stalk him
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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2012, 09:59:01 AM »

so the post you made about betting thinking out loud in the na cup was a lie ?

Nope----I make a few bets when I love something---but they cant open window me on closers, so that what I play---harder to win---but I get value. TOL's odds went up in the race you speak of---like all closers

Every frontrunner gets slammed---Ever notice ?


I dont lie by the way
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2012, 10:00:24 AM »

nice try i hear he posts at its if you still want to stalk him

Looks he just got here to
Juice too sharp for you
Give up already
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« Reply #22 on: October 02, 2012, 10:02:36 AM »

Open window that's the answer why didn't I think of it?......There was an open window that drove the winners odds from 2-5 to 6-1 even though he went right down the road....the guy in the open window bet 300 to win on 5 horses with no chance just for fun......Just trying to throw you geniuses off
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« Reply #23 on: October 02, 2012, 10:03:19 AM »

I blame the open window for odds changing at he half or later on frontrunners , thus chasing intelligent people away

Thats why handle is down. They got sick of being robbed. Watch a race once in while and you'll figure it  all out.Patrons left the crooks to get is all for themselves

Soon---no game
Reason-open window and drugs

  i am not disputing the open window or drugs as reasons for the sports decline
imo once the monopoly on betting was busted tracks were at a loss when it came to customer service
having tvg as the 1st adw is a perfect example
drugs and windows are just the last straw
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« Reply #24 on: October 02, 2012, 10:03:56 AM »

Open window that's the answer why didn't I think of it?......There was an open window that drove the winners odds from 2-5 to 6-1 even though he went right down the road....the guy in the open window bet 300 to win on 5 horses with no chance just for fun......Just trying to throw you geniuses off

Continue to play right into their hands
Good luck
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