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Author Topic: Yea or Nay on Pena returning~  (Read 2808 times)
jdizigg
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« Reply #100 on: March 01, 2013, 12:48:09 AM »

I knew you won't be able to produce that statement.

What about Mickey Burke?

He did have a Ocycodone positive class II drug.

Seems like every trainer in the business has a positive or two on his resume these days. Ho Hum.

Did you read all the reports I gave you.

no, i dont need to and i read what you wrote about the above mentioned trainers and also found it very convenient you claimed to just say that because you wanted to take the opposite side of other posters you disliked.  I will leave it at that.
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« Reply #101 on: March 01, 2013, 12:53:54 AM »

no, i dont need to and i read what you wrote about the above mentioned trainers and also found it very convenient you claimed to just say that because you wanted to take the opposite side of other posters you disliked.  I will leave it at that.

Again you're wrong. Its not about opposite sides.

I speak the truth and what I believe is the right thing. Period. If I am wrong about something I own up and apologize.

Truth it seems does not sit well with some posters here.
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« Reply #102 on: March 01, 2013, 12:59:25 AM »

no, i dont need to 

I went to all the trouble digging up all those links just for ya and you say yo don't need to read them.

Ah well.  Ignorance is bliss for some.
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« Reply #103 on: March 01, 2013, 07:23:31 AM »



This is 100% spot on. The cheaters-whether it be trainers,owners,vets--know where the goalposts are. They know(or those in the loop know) EXACTLY what Labs can and cannot test for.

Hell--the Labs even publish info advising when to stop administering CERTAIN drugs--and Mr Lou Pena--worked out that you can go INSIDE these times--in order to gain an advantage.

So even if Pena is like a lot of other trainers--they are ALL CHEATS!

Forget about spending more money on testing--spend it on barn raids and out of competition testing--roll up the day before or the day of racing/during the week --test the horses and see what the Vets are doing--check their trucks as well.




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« Reply #104 on: March 01, 2013, 07:43:26 AM »

Show me that post where I called him a cheat.

Lets do a hypothetical and do some procedures that would prove BEYOND a shadow of a doubt that Pena is clean or a drug cheat.

Worthwhile?   Its easy to do and does not cost a lot of money--FAR and away cheaper than doing drug testing.

Requires one/two investigators who have the power to search ANYTHING in a barn including staff.

They(+ surveillance cameras) are with the horses 24/7 .  

They check cars + trucks rolling in to barn -check the pockets of staff before they arrive to work.No one enters the barn and gets near the horses without having been fully checked out.

Nothing that is administered to the horses will be left unchecked especially what the Vet comes around to give---whatever he wants to administer--should be provided to the Vet--not the other way around for obvious reasons. If the horse needs something that could be arranged with the investigators.

They even drive to the track following the horses.

Up to the judges how long this goes on--and they check the horses performance.

Lets see  if Pena and other high % trainers--are still on top--if they are--then in my opinion they are "clean"

Think this is over the top??

Think again--this happens with EVERY TRAINER IN HONG KONG--AND THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST ON TRACK HANDLE IN THE WORLD.
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« Reply #105 on: March 01, 2013, 08:00:36 AM »



Think again--this happens with EVERY TRAINER IN HONG KONG--AND THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST ON TRACK HANDLE IN THE WORLD.

i seriously doubt that the drug testing is the reason for the high handle
i doubt whether they have 10-15 different tracks racing on the same day as the us does on occassions
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« Reply #106 on: March 01, 2013, 08:02:56 AM »

Think again--this happens with EVERY TRAINER IN HONG KONG--AND THEY HAVE THE HIGHEST ON TRACK HANDLE IN THE WORLD.

This is how its done at the HKJC. An excerpt from a report on Hong Kong Racing

"Hong Kong, of course, has many inherent advantages over the US when it comes to regulating drugs. As I mentioned in the first of these posts, the Hong Kong Jockey Club is racing's sole regulator, enforcer, operator, and virtually sole employer. All the vets work for the Jockey Club, as do all the grooms. No trainers with private vets to make everyone suspicious. That makes things a lot easier to police. And the HKJC's drug testing lab, with a professional staff of 40, is a match for just about any of the labs in the US. Given the small number of racing days, Hong Kong almost certainly tests a higher proportion of horses than any US jurisdiction. It's not just the winners and a few random horses from each race that are tested, but also any horse that, in the opinion of the stewards, fails to perform to expectations."



With handles of USD 130-150 million per race card I guess they can afford it.

http://businessofracing.blogspot.com/2011/12/hong-kong-3-drug-rules-and-horse-care.html
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« Reply #107 on: March 01, 2013, 09:07:33 AM »

i seriously doubt that the drug testing is the reason for the high handle
i doubt whether they have 10-15 different tracks racing on the same day as the us does on occassions

True Mr Niatross---BUT because the betting public has confidence in the betting product being on the up and up--they DO gamble more.

If there was no policing and racing was run the way it is here--the handle would PLUMMET.

Big gamblers don't bet when results looks fishy and inconsistent-or drug use is rampant.

There is one syndicate who turns over $10 MILLION a day---and when interviewed the leader told the press-that they are there because the racing was conducted at the highest standards.

Seems to be working for Mr Gural to a minor degree??
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« Reply #108 on: March 01, 2013, 09:37:19 AM »

i am not all that convinced that betting on horse racing took a dive 100% because of the so called cheating going.there has always been cheating going on and will continue to go on no matter what.
handle of racing in tbreds was steady if not rising every yr until around the advent of adws.cannot find real facts on harness wagering to make the same claim.
once adws opened up over seas who knows who knows how much handle went there and not into  live pools ? even some so called horse lovers and owners are on .record of doing so.
then let's add in the live poker boom online or in the casinos.it was perfect for today's gotta have action now 24 hr a day crowd.
there simply more ways for people to gamble nowadays which cripples horse racing.even the adws that put the monies in live pools are taking a cut away from tracks and purses.another deterrent to live horse racing.
i am all for tougher rules and enforcement in all areas of wagering including horse racing so i applaud many of gural's efforts.
he made a deal to get some whales back betting some $300k at the track.
i am pretty sure they came back because they got a deal on rebates from him and the horsemen not becaue the racing was clean.according to the loudest mouths on the net.burke is the biggest cheater in history
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