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Author Topic: AP vs. Hawthorne at IRB meeting today  (Read 3025 times)
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« Reply #75 on: September 28, 2012, 02:25:28 PM »



If the Illinois Derby is so worthless, give Dickie D. a tablespoon and have him scrape up the plastic track and dispose of it in a Superfund toxic waste dump, where it belongs.(By the way, what IS the environmental impact of the track on the groundwater?) And then create Arlington's own showcase DIRT race. If you can do it better, CDI . . .

Just make sure the Pink Floyd cover band keeps playing and the Miller Lites keep selling.

The environmental impact is somewhat reduced since it sits on and drains through an asphalt base.  Arlington could not create another showcase DIRT race, since there are so many of them around the tracks that are worthless right now.  Parx had a million dollar race with four horses?  AP has gone the grass route because there is so much competition for the few great, healthy dirt horses available.

I hope you recall all the breakdowns for the last year of dirt at AP.  They sort of had to do something about that.

Hate Mr. D or rdf as GRANDPA calls him, but not Arlington itself.  Most days are still beautiful there as I sadly prepare for the return to Trackside.

*Forgot to add that CDI stock over $62 per share today.
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« Reply #76 on: September 28, 2012, 05:34:20 PM »

When I was going to Arlington and Mr. D was running things, it was a fun place. At that time, they did a lot of nice things for the fans both at the track and the OTB's. I used to see Mr. D at the track often, walking around and talking to people. He was very friendly and cordial. I was surprised when he closed the track for 2 years because he didn't get slots and I felt sorry for all those who worked there. Maybe he's getting cranky in his old age or maybe it's the CDI culture influence or maybe he was just a good actor. You could see how things were changing once CDI got involved with Arlington. In any event, I do not wager on any of the CDI tracks because I really dislike CDI so if Hawthorne should close or CDI takes them over, I will no longer wager on any Illinois track and I've been wagering a couple of thousand a year at Hawthorne. We may be jumping the gun on Hawthorne in thinking it may close as all track handles were down the last couple of years due to the economy but they've all been up this year except for Churchill and Calder, as far as I recall. I hope Hawthorne never closes because I've also liked Hawthorne a lot and have hated to see what Arlington has turned into.
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« Reply #77 on: September 28, 2012, 07:44:00 PM »

Mary Ann he closed the track because he didn't get his way! Do you remember the no Casino buttons he wore and handed out! He is like a rich kid that didn't get his way , but since he could not beat them he tried to join them , the only problem is for him  is EVERYBODY remembers , mainly the POLITICIANS He pissed off. NO SLOTS FOR YOU
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« Reply #78 on: September 28, 2012, 07:59:58 PM »

It's just competition.  The Carey's would be more than happy to run AP out of business if they could.  McDonald's would love to kill Burger King, and Apple wouldn't mind getting rid of Microsoft and Google and Facebook all at the same time.  So what?

That's certainly not true. The Careys are terrible businessmen. They've had their chances to stick it to Arlington, instead they've always reached a hand out in friendship only to have RLD chew on it.
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« Reply #79 on: September 28, 2012, 08:08:58 PM »

That's certainly not true. The Careys are terrible businessmen. They've had their chances to stick it to Arlington, instead they've always reached a hand out in friendship only to have RLD chew on it.

I remember total Jubilation at Hawthorne in 1997 when AP said it was going close. Handwritten signs by employees saying " Arlington wont run but we will" or something like that. Smiles all around.
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« Reply #80 on: September 28, 2012, 08:15:25 PM »

DaPaver, that wasn't a bad deal the tracks got from the casinos. The Greyhound tracks in Wisconsin didn't get anything like that and they all closed when the casinos got in. My guess is Mr. D was instrumental in getting that casino money. I really didn't keep up with that whole deal so I'm just guessing on that.  When I was going to Arlington, he was pretty sick. He had heart surgery and lost a lot of weight. Although that was years ago, I was surprised to see him in that yacht photo. He put on a lot of weight.
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« Reply #81 on: September 29, 2012, 06:00:13 AM »

I remember total Jubilation at Hawthorne in 1997 when AP said it was going close. Handwritten signs by employees saying " Arlington wont run but we will" or something like that. Smiles all around.

I'm sure that's true. But that was a choice made by Arlington. The Careys have never hardballed anyone. Didn't they let Arlington run a meet at their track?
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« Reply #82 on: September 29, 2012, 06:03:13 AM »

 Most days are still beautiful there

It smells like a tire factory. They ruined that track. It's disgusting sitting out there whiffing melting rubber on a hot day. If God had wanted horses to run on rubber he would have put the Derby in Akron rather than Louisville.
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« Reply #83 on: September 29, 2012, 06:32:25 AM »

I have never heard anyone ever say it smells like burning rubber at AP - just silly talk.
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« Reply #84 on: September 29, 2012, 07:13:18 AM »

I have never heard anyone ever say it smells like burning rubber at AP - just silly talk.

Of course you haven't. You surround yourself with a bunch of AP-huggers, why, everything is *perfect* there.  Roll Eyes

I'm told the smell is that of the residual spooge that was left inside the used condoms they chopped up to make the TrojanTrac...er, Polytrack.
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« Reply #85 on: September 29, 2012, 07:27:16 AM »

I'm sure that's true. But that was a choice made by Arlington. The Carey's have never hardballed anyone. Didn't they let Arlington run a meet at their track?

The thing is the Carey's have no leverage. RLD does. If they Carey's pulled the crap RLD did.... Springfield would say go ahead close it.
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« Reply #86 on: September 29, 2012, 08:27:33 AM »

The thing is the Carey's have no leverage. RLD does. If they Carey's pulled the crap RLD did.... Springfield would say go ahead close it.

RLD probably doesn't have much leverage, either: when he threatened to close AP in early 1998, Springfield pretty much yawned. That could happen again.
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« Reply #87 on: September 29, 2012, 08:54:36 AM »

I have never heard anyone ever say it smells like burning rubber at AP - just silly talk.

He said it smells like melting rubber. It does, and I for one have previously said as much on this forum. On a hot day, if the breeze is from the south or southwest, it's very unpleasant to be most places in the Park, or down close to the track on the apron, if that rubber smell bothers you. It does me. Other people, obviously not.

Of course, that's all a whole separate issue from whether or not it's hard on horses, or unpredictable, or whatever.
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« Reply #88 on: September 29, 2012, 08:56:03 AM »

RLD probably doesn't have much leverage, either: when he threatened to close AP in early 1998, Springfield pretty much yawned. That could happen again.

He shot his wad. He can't do that again.

By the way, how about that money Illinois racing is supposed to be raking in from that 10th casino as a result of the resolution of Dick's Snit Fit?
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« Reply #89 on: September 29, 2012, 09:41:54 AM »

By the way, how about that money Illinois racing is supposed to be raking in from that 10th casino as a result of the resolution of Dick's Snit Fit?

I honestly can't keep track anymore.

So many deals that take forever to get any actiom, then more deals proposed with no closure...

Then, the casino impact money is finally released last year: it's supposed to help purses for about 3 years...and Hawthorne cuts their purses for the upcoming Fall meeting. WTF is that all about?

It's hard to know what to care about, or who to believe. Everybody is crying poor-mouth, all the time. I'm tired of it.
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« Reply #90 on: September 29, 2012, 10:16:50 AM »

RLD probably doesn't have much leverage, either: when he threatened to close AP in early 1998, Springfield pretty much yawned. That could happen again.


He had back then... George Ryan was his bread and butter, he got lots of tax breaks he coveted the reason he reopened. Carey's never had that pull. Racing was a bigger was bread winner of the State back then. Notice after he got what he wanted racing revenue to the State dropped by $30M. Agree he will never get away with that again still he he a much bigger fish than Carey's for the Springfield boys.
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« Reply #91 on: September 29, 2012, 07:59:38 PM »

Here's what Mr. D thinks of Hawthorne, from the Chicago Tribune article on him; looks like it's going to be in tomorrow's paper. I can't believe he would even think this recommendation would be fair.

"Duchossois also is convinced that the Chicago thoroughbred season is too long and that Illinois racing would be better served if the Illinois Racing Board made drastic cuts in Hawthorne Race Course's spring meeting and gave the money that would accumulate from out-of-state simulcasts during this dark time to Arlington for purses.

In Duchossois' opinion, overregulation and fragmentation are the biggest problems racing faces in Illinois and nationally."
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« Reply #92 on: September 30, 2012, 07:59:52 AM »

Here's what Mr. D thinks of Hawthorne, from the Chicago Tribune article on him; looks like it's going to be in tomorrow's paper. I can't believe he would even think this recommendation would be fair.

"Duchossois also is convinced that the Chicago thoroughbred season is too long and that Illinois racing would be better served if the Illinois Racing Board made drastic cuts in Hawthorne Race Course's spring meeting and gave the money that would accumulate from out-of-state simulcasts during this dark time to Arlington for purses.

In Duchossois' opinion, overregulation and fragmentation are the biggest problems racing faces in Illinois and nationally."

Maybe the IRB should do what they did down in Florida awhile back and just tell all the morons, "Okay, go ahead and run whenever you want to." Of course, that pretty much ended Hialeah. Maybe it would end Hawthorne too, but we might be surprised. I'm pretty sure the gambler prefers Hawthorne, and Arlington gets by charging a ridiculous entrance fee and selling overpriced concessions to go along with the lowest per cap in the business.
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« Reply #93 on: September 30, 2012, 05:24:48 PM »

Here's what Mr. D thinks of Hawthorne, from the Chicago Tribune article on him; looks like it's going to be in tomorrow's paper. I can't believe he would even think this recommendation would be fair.

"Duchossois also is convinced that the Chicago thoroughbred season is too long and that Illinois racing would be better served if the Illinois Racing Board made drastic cuts in Hawthorne Race Course's spring meeting and gave the money that would accumulate from out-of-state simulcasts during this dark time to Arlington for purses."

I do agree the Chicago tbred season is too long, starting with that interminable, boring AP season. Cut that thing back to three months, from Memorial Day until Labor Day ... you know, when people actually want to go there. Then bookend that with six weeks on either side of Hawthorne, and split all the rest of the dark time right down the middle.

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In Duchossois' opinion, overregulation and fragmentation are the biggest problems racing faces in Illinois and nationally."

Same noise that always comes out of Frank Stronach's mouth, another egomaniac who is convinced the only proper way to do things is give him a monopoly.  Roll Eyes

And why is Ducchossois speaking out on this anyhow? I thought all this "put Hawthorne out of business" stuff was coming from corporate in Louisville. At least, that's who gets blamed any time they go in front of the IRB.
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