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Author Topic: new story on Churchill screwing Illinois Derby until at least 2014  (Read 463 times)
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« on: September 24, 2012, 09:50:02 AM »

Jenny Rees has a new story, wherein Churchill told Hawthorne there's just no way it could consider including the Grade III Illinois Derby in the Road to the Derby until at least 2014 (by which time presumably its strategy of marginalizing the importance of this race as a Derby prep will have succeeded in getting it ungraded, and then it won't have to consider it at all).

Will the IRB look unkindly on this at dates time, or will it do anything at all? Find out tomorrow!

http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120921/SPORTS08/309210124/Hawthorne-Race-Course-off-Road-Derby-until-2014?nclick_check=1
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« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2012, 10:14:04 AM »

Can you imagine having to go to Louisville and go face to face with the vile charlatans of Churchill Downs Inc.? I give the Careys credit for doing what they had to do. There is no way CDI or Arlington commands respect or earns our business. They take, they don't give. The Kentucky Derby is a silly race. The only answer is to individually boycott all things Churchill. Which I am doing. And, conversely, patronize Hawthorne.
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« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2012, 04:33:33 PM »

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« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2012, 04:52:08 PM »

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What, and where?
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2012, 05:03:25 PM »

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Just wanted to note for historical sake that the 2002 Illinois Derby won by War Emblem was run at the former Sportsman's Park, speaking of into oblivion.
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2012, 05:46:38 PM »

John G. Dooley Chicago, Illinois
Just wanted to note for historical sake that the 2002 Illinois Derby won by War Emblem was run at the former Sportsman's Park, speaking of into oblivion.
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Well, that certainly does make a huge difference. CDI would NEVER have done such a thing to gut a Sportsman's race ... oh wait, they had Dick D. to do their dirty work for them and put the whole track out of business.
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« Reply #6 on: September 24, 2012, 07:02:41 PM »

The reality is that the IL Derby has been totally irrelevant as a Derby prep for a long time, with the sole exception of War Emblem.  Most of the fields for the last five years wouldn't have made a good "2 other than" allowance at Gulfstream.
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« Reply #7 on: September 24, 2012, 07:05:04 PM »

The reality is that the IL Derby has been totally irrelevant as a Derby prep for a long time, with the sole exception of War Emblem.  Most of the fields for the last five years wouldn't have made a good "2 other than" allowance at Gulfstream.

It hasn't been a Derby prep long enough to be irrelevant for a long time!
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« Reply #8 on: September 24, 2012, 07:11:41 PM »

The 2006 Illinois Derby winner,Sweetnorthernsaint, was the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby.
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« Reply #9 on: September 24, 2012, 07:16:15 PM »

It hasn't been a Derby prep long enough to be irrelevant for a long time!


Fair point.  Change that to "always."
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« Reply #10 on: September 24, 2012, 07:17:23 PM »

The 2006 Illinois Derby winner,Sweetnorthernsaint, was the post time favorite in the Kentucky Derby.

Remind me how that worked out.
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2012, 08:09:10 PM »

Although the fields  have been inconsistent over the years, there have been some quality colts winning.  .I believe Musket Man was a little better than a 2X allowance horse, and ten most wanted wasn't a slouch!
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« Reply #12 on: September 24, 2012, 08:24:24 PM »

Remind me how that worked out.

If Hawthorne has a chance, the Illinois Derby could be a timely prep.  It sounds like they would increase the purse if given the opportunity.  This year they will have to work on being a prep for the Preakness.
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« Reply #13 on: September 24, 2012, 08:32:36 PM »

It seems at though the racing industry had already regulated the Illinios Derby to second or third tier before CD changed formats.  Why not lower the purse to 2 or 300K and use the other 2 or 300K to increase overnight purses? It's not as though this single race increases the on site handle to the point that it is a profitable for the purse account.
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« Reply #14 on: September 24, 2012, 08:40:22 PM »

In all fairness, a race's importance, or the desirability of winning it, shouldn't be predicated on being a prep for some other race in some other state. However, that doesn't erase an action that was obvious in intent to all (and not just in Illinois) that Churchill did, intentional  retribution against Hawthorne and the horsemen for not going along with giving up all the Spring dates so Mr. D could afford lights at his track for three nights a season and make even more money than he already makes.
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