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« on: August 05, 2012, 09:44:00 PM »

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                                         Went to AP yesterday $5 preferred parking, $8 to get in,
                                         $11.50 for the A.M. form and simulcast program because
                                         I wanted to bet the Hambo. I thought to myself now I
                                         know why some of my friends go to the casino.
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« Reply #1 on: August 05, 2012, 09:48:21 PM »

LOL.. the cost of getting to the Meadowlands these days, given tolls and gas (forget admission and program) is roughly equivalent to the average yearling price of the entrants in the damned thing. 
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« Reply #2 on: August 05, 2012, 10:27:57 PM »

 $11.50 for the form.  Ouch!
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« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2012, 01:16:56 AM »

Really!!!  Almost 12 bucks for the form And The Simo...Ya would pay that Anywhere...Prefered parking??? Walk another 100 yards you jerk...lol Now Im guessing the next moan is the horse you bet on didnt run fast enuff...Jerk..I really want 2 punch u in the face!!!
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2012, 02:57:26 AM »

Get ready to pay more next year if you bring your own food and drink in!!!

Arlington is a joke....
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« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2012, 03:05:10 AM »

2 places stick out in my mind as costing a ridiculous amount before you even make a bet and that was Emerald Downs and Golden Gate. I never prefer park my car, I walk for the excercise so between the admission, parking, forms, seats etc it was like losing a race before you started. What I will say on the other hand is that I like paying because it keeps people you dont want there out. NYRA tracks where I primarily attend the most are cheap to free most of the year (except Saratoga) and the characters that come in make you want their to be a $10 charge to get in.....
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« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2012, 07:38:29 AM »

2 places stick out in my mind as costing a ridiculous amount before you even make a bet and that was Emerald Downs and Golden Gate. I never prefer park my car, I walk for the excercise so between the admission, parking, forms, seats etc it was like losing a race before you started. What I will say on the other hand is that I like paying because it keeps people you dont want there out. NYRA tracks where I primarily attend the most are cheap to free most of the year (except Saratoga) and the characters that come in make you want their to be a $10 charge to get in.....

I agree with you about paying for some things....Delaware Park charges $5 for a seat at a TV on the weekends and though I rarely go.....I love it....If you bet any money (like $200 a visit average) they comp it to you but they monitor it and you have your seat.....Other places dont charge for seats and on busy days with limited TV seating when you get up to make a bet or get a beer you can almost always find someone in your seat when you get back no matter how much shit you leave there.....I remember one day leaving 2 racing forms, my phone, a few forms I had printed at home, 2 or 3 pens, my laptop and a jacket on the back of the chair and someone was sitting there when i got back.....Oh was this your seat?.....I remember years back the Horseshoe (Vegas) used to charge $20 for the form but they gave you a $20 betting voucer......Just to keep the sleepers out who got a free form and slept or drank beer all day for free
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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2012, 08:18:01 AM »

Chris why do you say A/P is a joke , is it because of your Saratoga visit?
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« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2012, 10:16:34 AM »

Chris why do you say A/P is a joke , is it because of your Saratoga visit?

First of all, AP management fails to realize that their racing product does not at all meet what the facility is supposed to offer.  Arlington is one of the most beautiful racetracks in the country, with a fantastic layout and design, however the racing does not meet that.  Having two or three 7,500 N#L races each day along with the obligatory state-bred Maiden 15k makes this a second-tier track.  Because of this, I can't see how they justify charging premier track prices.  $8 to get in, which doesn't get you a seat or a program....tracks with this QUALITY of racing (save for Million day, but every track has their "ONE" day) do not charge anything near that amount...Delaware Park, Tampa, Parx, etc...

Secondly, in an effort to get what they think they are able to net the highest bottom-line profit, they nickel and dime you every which way you go.  The "preferred parking" is nuts, $5 to save 100 yards?  But it's there so some people pay it.  What is it now....$3 for a "Daily Racing Guide" (I never get these...can't stand abbreviated PPs)?  Hell, Hawthorne gives you a freakin' Daily Racing FORM with whatever $3 or so admission they charge (and there they treat their Gold/Platinum players right... the two Dannys working in the Platinum room do whatever they can to make your experience enjoyable...and the % rebates are the best on-track in the country).  Now back to AP: the ridiculous Levy food service prices and quality.  The last straw for me was hearing about next year charging to bring your own food in. They have very little respect for the idea of cultivating customer loyalty and return visits.  Ideas and suggestions that I gave to a person in senior management earlier this year have fallen on deaf ears....such as giving free admission passes to group sales guests in order to encourage a return visit (seriously, what does this cost them!?) and also treating Gold/Platinum TSC members a bit better (one idea was reduced season box prices for gold/plat TSC and horsemen).


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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2012, 10:20:21 AM »

Back to my first comment about the quality of racing - it IS better this year, I do give them credit for carding very competitive allowances and higher conditioned claimers.  The presence of a few more barns this year after CD closed (Proctor, Michelle Lovell) has helped with the quality and field size.  And I do realize it takes more than just track management to produce quality fields.  But they do share a large part of that as they are responsible for cultivating those track//horsemen relationships..  A few years ago I heard Bret Calhoun was complaining about treatment by the racing office and treatment of his owners so he packed up his barn of 20-30 that he kept here and has never returned with a full-time operation here.

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« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2012, 10:31:53 AM »

Chris I knew the answer to my question, I was just curious if the Saratoga trip confirmed it All!
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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2012, 10:36:52 AM »

Chris I knew the answer to my question, I was just curious if the Saratoga trip confirmed it All!

Yes, partly, haha -- Saratoga has improved my liking for REAL racing!
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« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2012, 10:42:08 AM »

Isn't that a Shame, A/P with all there history in racing, has become a second or third tier player in the country!
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« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2012, 10:46:13 AM »

Yep it is unfortunate.  There are quite a few things they could do but they are only interested in the distorted bottom-line, when in reality they could be doing a lot better by putting a few things ahead of immediate profit first, and riches will follow.... (retaining customer loyalty being one)
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« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2012, 10:52:04 AM »

Yes, partly, haha -- Saratoga has improved my liking for REAL racing!

Me too.  I needed more than one day to take it all in and will def be back.

It was also nice paying $3 admission.  At first I was a bit upset at our options to watch the races.  But then we found out you could pay a measly $2 extra to get by the finish line and that was much,  much better,  right on the rail and it wasnt crowded at all.

If AP had something like that it would probaly cost $10.
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