Stretching out

[brivolta]

Just found out my filly is going a mile Saturday night. Shes never gone a mile before...much less two turns. Needless to say I'm curious to see how she handles it. She's a closer, so should that make it easier for her to go the mile or does it make it harder?

[clockerbob]

post a link to the video of her last race.

[hungry]

I dont think it makes it harder or easier. From a handicapping/betting standpoint, we're always told to try and avoid 'closing sprinters' when stretching out, especially at short prices.

The key to a successful stretch out is to ask yourself does the horse MOVE Like a router or, does the horse have a quick hitch action. Even if the horse is a closer, it can be a closing sprinter, so pedigree and the way the horse moves are big factors.

GL.

[honest & balanced terry]

Just found out my filly is going a mile Saturday night. Shes never gone a mile before...much less two turns. Needless to say I'm curious to see how she handles it. She's a closer, so should that make it easier for her to go the mile or does it make it harder?

If she's capable of staying a mile, her results will depend entirely if there's speed up front.

Best of luck to you in your race!

[zanzibar]

If I remember correctly, your filly is Camagin?  She ran three times at AP in 2011 going two turns.  Twice on the yielding turf (1 mile, 1 1/16 mile) and once on the poly (1 1/16 mile).  All three races were state-bred ALWn1x.
When you consider the results, consider that she is a year older and probably stronger and more fit now.  You can access the charts for free on Equibase.  Put the horse's name in the box in the upper right hand corner and click on the search icon.

05/13/11  AP   1 mile turf yl              6th of  8
06/01/11  AP   1 1/16 mile turf yl       12th of 12
06/11/11  AP   1 1/16 mile poly          7th of 7

[brivolta]

If I remember correctly, your filly is Camagin?  She ran three times at AP in 2011 going two turns.  Twice on the yielding turf (1 mile, 1 1/16 mile) and once on the poly (1 1/16 mile).  All three races were state-bred ALWn1x.
When you consider the results, consider that she is a year older and probably stronger and more fit now.  You can access the charts for free on Equibase.  Put the horse's name in the box in the upper right hand corner and click on the search icon.

05/13/11  AP   1 mile turf yl              6th of  8
06/01/11  AP   1 1/16 mile turf yl       12th of 12
06/11/11  AP   1 1/16 mile poly          7th of 7

I saw that when I got back to the office. I had posted the thread from my phone. It doesn't tell me much since they were on poly and turf, but at least it tells me she's gone two turns.

We drew a pretty tough field for Saturday. Not liking our chances unless she just really loves the distance.

[pamwaggy]

Wishing you Good Luck bigtime!

[DaPaver]

The Bosses horse in there and that's tough to beat, but shoul help your odds, Best of luck and enjoy the night.

[brivolta]

She finished 4th in a 6 horse field. Jockey took her straight to the front which was a bit curious, but she ran well until about the 3/16 pole and ran out of gas. She didn't run poorly by any means. Hoping the race gets turned back to 6 furlongs on the 18th.

[tuck300]

That is one of my favorite handicapping angles.  He should be plenty legged up when they put him back in at 6 furlongs.  Good luck he looks like a runner.

[hungry]

That is one of my favorite handicapping angles.  He should be plenty legged up when they put him back in at 6 furlongs.  Good luck he looks like a runner.

Short to long is one of my best angles. For some reason, in my experience, it doesnt work as well (for me).

The concept of long to short and that the long race gives a horse extra stamina for his/her next start is something that i've found to not be true.

[tuck300]

The main thing I look for in long to short is the horse must show speed. If they just plod along I don't play them coming back.  But if they show speed, I don't care if they finish 20 lengths back. I have noticed they are tighter when going back to a distance they have shown ability before.

[Yimmy]

Certain trainers are very good with them, and a lot of turnbacks pay nice numPerzz.

[Secretariat]

Just found out my filly is going a mile Saturday night. Shes never gone a mile before...much less two turns. Needless to say I'm curious to see how she handles it. She's a closer, so should that make it easier for her to go the mile or does it make it harder?

what you and your girlfriend do on your personal time is not really germain to the horse racing board

[vegas jay]

Just found out my filly is going a mile Saturday night. Shes never gone a mile before...much less two turns. Needless to say I'm curious to see how she handles it. She's a closer, so should that make it easier for her to go the mile or does it make it harder?

It's been my experience in 47 years of handicapping & betting horses that late-running sprinters more often than not make lousy routers -- they frequently flatten out & never show their closing punch at longer distances.

I much prefer betting early speed sprinters stretching out -- they're (usually) allowed to run much slower for the opening half-mile in routes than in sprints, keeping them fresh and making them elusive targets on the front end.

That said, there are always exceptions to the rule. I will be rooting for your filly. Best of luck!

[tuck300]

Wow, wire to wire easy winner.  I believe Mr. Manley knows how to get a horse legged up.  Congrats on your first winner.

[HorseVoice]

Wow, wire to wire easy winner.  I believe Mr. Manley knows how to get a horse legged up.  Congrats on your first winner.

And paid ten and change!

That's hard to get on a legit contender at Farmer's Plowhorses...er, Fairmount Park! 

Didn't you guys bet? 

[brivolta]

Wow, wire to wire easy winner.  I believe Mr. Manley knows how to get a horse legged up.  Congrats on your first winner.

Thank you! Steve told him to sit on her until the 3/8 pole. After the race Cosme said he tried but she just wanted to go. What a thrill!