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Author Topic: HAWTHORNE HANDLE OUTSTANDING !!!!!!  (Read 3638 times)
Dan Nance
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« on: May 25, 2006, 11:57:28 AM »

I'm watching the races last night at the Suncoast and I noticed that one race had a combined handle of over $141,000 and that was going up against the Big M. 

   Does anyone know what the daily average handle has been at Hawthorne? I'm being told that the puses are going to go way up the last 2 weeks of the meet because they have all kinds of extra money sitting in the horseman's account because of the outstanding handle so far.

   If Hawthorne is not awarded at least 4 months of harness racing by the IRB next summer it will be a great injustice to the industry.

   Start making calls now to Ms. Propes and voice your opinion that Hawthorne and the horseman deserve minimum of 4 months next summer. They should race at Hawthorne from May 6th to Sept. 6th and then let Balmoral have their slowly dieing in popularity " Super Night ". 
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« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2006, 12:02:38 PM »

its true hawthorne is kiking major ass with on the track betting.  it wont matter because the racing board will prolly give them 10 days of harness next year.  lol  every year when they kick bal and may ass in handle and on tracl people the racing board gets mad and takes more days away.  i look for hawthorne to get 10 days of harness racing next year.  about the same number of days at springfiled because propes and lano dont like it when hawthorne makes bal and may look stupid.  the owners pay them guys off so that they get more days.  haw has honest owners and they wont pay off the racing board and thats why they keep taking away more days of harness at haw.  next year haw will race from may 2 to may 12.  10 days lol.
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« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2006, 12:13:32 PM »

its true hawthorne is kiking major ass with on the track betting.  it wont matter because the racing board will prolly give them 10 days of harness next year.  lol  every year when they kick bal and may ass in handle and on tracl people the racing board gets mad and takes more days away.  i look for hawthorne to get 10 days of harness racing next year.  about the same number of days at springfiled because propes and lano dont like it when hawthorne makes bal and may look stupid.  the owners pay them guys off so that they get more days.  haw has honest owners and they wont pay off the racing board and thats why they keep taking away more days of harness at haw.  next year haw will race from may 2 to may 12.  10 days lol.

I believe that if the IRB stiffs Hawthorne next year the whole board will be looking for new jobs.

    They tell me that if Hawthorne doesn't get at least 4 months next summer the horseman are going to throw the biggest fit and sit out under protest as long as it takes for the IRB to award Hawthorne and the horseman the harness dates they deserve for the betterment of the industry. The horseman are fed up with the bullshit handed to them by the IRB.

    Now, the board members can sit on that and think about it for the next 4 months.   
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« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2006, 12:42:35 PM »

Seems to me that BTW has tremendous influence in the industry. I would suggest every person on this board contact, and keep contacting the IRB until they get sick of it and award the dates. You dont have to be a horseman or owner either. I will contact them as a bettor and advise them I will only wager my $$ on a superior product and Hawthorne is the only superior product in Illinois.

Unless of course the kickbacks from Crimeoral and Gaywood are upped and the IRB continues to look the other way.

I dont know how IRB officers gets their positions, but pressure better come on those decision makers too.

Two prominent horseman are out of jobs because of constant cheating and constant pressure from the fans not to let them get away.

Had there been no BTW Forum, nobody might have given two hoots about those dogs.
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« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2006, 12:51:23 PM »

Seems to me that BTW has tremendous influence in the industry. I would suggest every person on this board contact, and keep contacting the IRB until they get sick of it and award the dates. You dont have to be a horseman or owner either. I will contact them as a bettor and advise them I will only wager my $$ on a superior product and Hawthorne is the only superior product in Illinois.

Unless of course the kickbacks from Crimeoral and Gaywood are upped and the IRB continues to look the other way.

I dont know how IRB officers gets their positions, but pressure better come on those decision makers too.

Two prominent horseman are out of jobs because of constant cheating and constant pressure from the fans not to let them get away.

Had there been no BTW Forum, nobody might have given two hoots about those dogs.


I agree. As far as kickbacks go I don't think anyone wants the Feds crawling up thier ass with a microscope. Let them all learn some lessons from George Ryan if they have been taking money under the table. 
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« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2006, 01:19:08 PM »

please mr lano and mis propes give us 10 or 15 days of harness racing next year at haw.  lol lol  maybe we can get reel lucky and get 30 days at haw.  lol  thank you lano and propes for being so honest and nice to haw.  lol
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« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2006, 02:22:30 PM »

Dan,

Any word on the size of the purse increases?  As always, thanks for the information and the updates.
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2006, 02:29:12 PM »

Dan,

Any word on the size of the purse increases?  As always, thanks for the information and the updates.

I was told that Mike A. told someone that the purses could almost double during the last 2 weeks of the meet but I don't know if that's the case. 
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2006, 02:50:42 PM »

dont beeleve mike antonades because he is a maywood ass licker.  he love langely and johnsons so he talk bad about haw.  mike very bad horse picker always bet chalks and 6 to 5 shots.  he tell on ron marsh and get his suspendee for long time.  thank you mike but you not a good horse picker.  robin give you all the money from big florida aquirim man.  you blow all the money bett on chalks.  yuckie.
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« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2006, 02:56:10 PM »

Mike A. knows what's going on. Mike may be a management guy but he's alwys been OK in my book. If he did ever talk shit about the ***'s behind our back I NEVER heard about it.

    Mike's info is usually dead on. I would take anything he says to the bank.
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2006, 02:59:36 PM »

mike say ron marsh stiff race when pelling cash all the tickets.  he tell langley and langleys suspendee marsh forever.  mike get big money from dan florida aquiriam man and fat man al l.  mike owe bookie lots of money and now stay with robin hiding at farm.  he love johnson and langley.  i laff when he try to pick horse on tv and lose at 6 to 5.  lol
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« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2006, 03:37:28 PM »

I'm watching the races last night at the Suncoast and I noticed that one race had a combined handle of over $141,000 and that was going up against the Big M. 

   Does anyone know what the daily average handle has been at Hawthorne? I'm being told that the puses are going to go way up the last 2 weeks of the meet because they have all kinds of extra money sitting in the horseman's account because of the outstanding handle so far.

   If Hawthorne is not awarded at least 4 months of harness racing by the IRB next summer it will be a great injustice to the industry.

   Start making calls now to Ms. Propes and voice your opinion that Hawthorne and the horseman deserve minimum of 4 months next summer. They should race at Hawthorne from May 6th to Sept. 6th and then let Balmoral have their slowly dieing in popularity " Super Night ". 


From what I've seen, the handle hasn't differed all that much from Balmoral.  I'll see if I can drudge up some numbers for comparison sakes...

I would highly doubt the purses will nearly double -- as that would take some phenominal handle that I just haven't seen...hope I'm wrong, however.

I'll check into it.

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EW
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #12 on: May 25, 2006, 03:40:19 PM »

From what I've seen, the handle hasn't differed all that much from Balmoral.  I'll see if I can drudge up some numbers for comparison sakes...

I would highly doubt the purses will nearly double -- as that would take some phenominal handle that I just haven't seen...hope I'm wrong, however.

I'll check into it.

Best,
EW

Numbers would be nice.
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« Reply #13 on: May 25, 2006, 03:47:26 PM »

From what I've seen, the handle hasn't differed all that much from Balmoral.  I'll see if I can drudge up some numbers for comparison sakes...

I would highly doubt the purses will nearly double -- as that would take some phenominal handle that I just haven't seen...hope I'm wrong, however.

I'll check into it.

Best,
EW

Hey EW, don't bother with FOIA requests to get handle information as the IRB has already sent me several letters (which I fought directly with the Attorney General's office) denying reports they'd printed on a daily basis every month for a while. Their excuse was that they were understaffed and that they didn't have enough time to do so.

Check page 11 from the LAST ISSUE, in print of The HV for the entire story with FOIA info from pages 12-end.

http://www.horsemansvoice.com/Publish%20Me!!!/HV_021105_14th_Edition.doc

They must be spending too much time reading posts, like this one, or printing them out. So if anyone from the IRB, Department of Revenue  or the Attorney General's office is reading this on their computer or on a piece of paper from a printout..... good day people!
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« Reply #14 on: May 25, 2006, 04:29:42 PM »

Are you guys telling that the handle is being hidden from the public? I don't understand this at all. The handle should be printed on the charts like it is at the Big M.

   More bullshit from the " City Of Corruption " Chicago Illinois. The city I am ashamed to have been born in because of all it's corruption.
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« Reply #15 on: May 25, 2006, 05:08:19 PM »

Are you guys telling that the handle is being hidden from the public? I don't understand this at all. The handle should be printed on the charts like it is at the Big M.

   More bullshit from the " City Of Corruption " Chicago Illinois. The city I am ashamed to have been born in because of all it's corruption.

NUMBERS TALK AND PEOPLE LIE
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« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2006, 05:13:43 PM »

Are you guys telling that the handle is being hidden from the public? I don't understand this at all. The handle should be printed on the charts like it is at the Big M.

   More bullshit from the " City Of Corruption " Chicago Illinois. The city I am ashamed to have been born in because of all it's corruption.


The handle IS printed on the charts.  Not sure why they weren't willing to satisfy Eric's request.

I pulled out the charts, and Hawthorne is beating Balmoral by roughly 6-9%.  The rumor is that the majority of the advantage comes from on-track handle.  That would make sense given the location.

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« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2006, 05:51:48 PM »

Dan:

     I have heard through the grapevine that through many lobbying efforts, this years date allocations will be carefully monitored by some high up folks in Springfield.  Unless the Johnston's get to them, Hawthorne will receive four or five months. 

     This nonsense has gone on long enough.  The IRB finally has big brother watching their every move, and I promise you that this year they will have to justify their decision as to why each track received what they did.  No more hiding under the covers.  It should be interesting.  Take care in sunny Vegas, home of the UNLV Runnin Rebels and best college basketball coach ever, Tark the Shark!

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« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2006, 05:56:04 PM »

Call your state reps and ask them to nominate Joseph Besco to the racing board. I will sell my horses and serve honestly!
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« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2006, 07:25:17 PM »

Call your state reps and ask them to nominate Joseph Besco to the racing board. I will sell my horses and serve honestly!
Joe, you as member of the racing board would be better than those graft takers earning side cash from the Gestapo.  Hawthorne is doing nicely, and I expect them to receive more dates next season.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2006, 08:16:54 PM »

all of u at racing board can haw. have 4 or 5 more days next year of harness racing.  lol lol maybee u can give them 42 or 45 days of harness next year mis propes and merk lano.  lol lol lol  please just a few more days so haw. can kick bal or may ass again.  maybee if haw. gives lano and propes free clubhouse dinner like johnsons they get as many days they want.  lol lol lol
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« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2006, 11:17:36 AM »

Dan:

     I have heard through the grapevine that through many lobbying efforts, this years date allocations will be carefully monitored by some high up folks in Springfield.  Unless the Johnston's get to them, Hawthorne will receive four or five months. 

     This nonsense has gone on long enough.  The IRB finally has big brother watching their every move, and I promise you that this year they will have to justify their decision as to why each track received what they did.  No more hiding under the covers.  It should be interesting.  Take care in sunny Vegas, home of the UNLV Runnin Rebels and best college basketball coach ever, Tark the Shark!

Best Regards,
Joseph M. Dakuras (I sign my name to my posts!)


Joe
         I don't think the Johnston's are getting to anyone this time around. Nobody on the board wants to share a jail cell with George Ryan.

         
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« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2006, 11:37:26 AM »

Joe
         I don't think the Johnston's are getting to anyone this time around. Nobody on the board wants to share a jail cell with George Ryan.

         



I think BTW will have an effect on future racing dates.

Reward the tracks who are interested in the end product.

Nothing like competition to bring the best out of everyone.

Dan, the Casinos in Las Vegas are competing for the dollar.

Great to be in a free enterprise system.

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« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2006, 12:41:33 PM »

Joe
 I don't think the Johnston's are getting to anyone this time around. Nobody on the board wants to share a jail cell with George Ryan.

 

That is if they had half a brain!
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« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2006, 12:49:31 PM »

That is if they had half a brain!

Have you ever sat down with any of the commissioners and talked to them about the decisions they make? An elected official like you should be able to get access.
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