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Author Topic: Black Caviar "Best you've ever seen in the world"  (Read 1223 times)
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« on: May 10, 2012, 04:20:41 PM »

Great racecall.

Let me know which racecalls that YOU remember fondly.

Post em up!

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« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2012, 08:11:30 PM »

I wish I could put mine up but I don't know how to do that.  Not computer savvy one bit.

And I forget the caller but I bet you will remember.   He called out...'And (insert horse's name here) is staying like a mother in law!"   It made me laugh so hard I had to jump up and run for the ladies room.  It just caught me by such surprise.  Beings he probably had a mother in law and all. 
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« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2012, 08:35:36 PM »

I wish I could put mine up but I don't know how to do that.  Not computer savvy one bit.

And I forget the caller but I bet you will remember.   He called out...'And (insert horse's name here) is staying like a mother in law!"   It made me laugh so hard I had to jump up and run for the ladies room.  It just caught me by such surprise.  Beings he probably had a mother in law and all. 

Its probably Michael Wrona from Golden Gate.

He's got an entire bag of good stuff!
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« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2012, 07:41:43 PM »

She is going tonight at Morphettville. It will be on Twinpsires.
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« Reply #4 on: May 11, 2012, 07:57:22 PM »

She is going tonight at Morphettville. It will be on Twinpsires.

Thanks Joe.
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« Reply #5 on: May 11, 2012, 08:42:36 PM »

TVG will have the race on live since they Hollywood until like 2AM EST
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« Reply #6 on: May 12, 2012, 05:54:26 PM »

Won her 21st straight, and made it look supremely easy, in yet another G1 race.

Truly the best mare ever.

http://www.brisnet.com/cgi-bin/editorial/news/article.cgi?id=28698

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« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2012, 07:07:54 PM »

Shes great terry, but I want to see her vs. the worlds best before I say that.  Cant wait for the ascot, she BETTER be there!  Do you find it hard to compare a turf sprinter to a dirt router?
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« Reply #8 on: May 12, 2012, 07:32:36 PM »

Shes great terry, but I want to see her vs. the worlds best before I say that.  Cant wait for the ascot, she BETTER be there!  Do you find it hard to compare a turf sprinter to a dirt router?

No, I don't. One is good at one thing, and one at another. Unless the dirt router also had some impressive wins sprinting on turf, it is also just as one-dimensional.
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« Reply #9 on: June 23, 2012, 09:20:36 AM »

25 mins to "Cav" on TVG.



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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2012, 06:43:44 AM »

No, I don't. One is good at one thing, and one at another. Unless the dirt router also had some impressive wins sprinting on turf, it is also just as one-dimensional.
Give me a so-called "one dimensional" Breeders' Cup Classic winner like Zenyatta over a turf sprinter ANY DAY!! Zenyatta began her career sprinting, then stretched out. Caviar, apparently, cannot route (in the opinion of her trainer) -- if a career consisting of 21 sprints is any indication.

After all, the biggest money, most prestige and greatest acclaim comes from beating the best horses over a distance of ground. To say Caviar is the best mare of all-time is, with all due respect, absolutely laughable.
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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2012, 09:33:51 AM »

Zenyatta has won at 6.5 furlongs, 1 mile, 1 1/16 miles, 1 1/8 miles, and 1 1/4 miles. That is far from a one dimensional horse.
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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2012, 10:19:54 AM »

Give me a so-called "one dimensional" Breeders' Cup Classic winner like Zenyatta over a turf sprinter ANY DAY!!

That's just American homerism. Zenyatta spent almost her entire career running against mares and hiding from the boys. She never went across any ocean to test the best the world had to offer. She barely got out of southern California.

We heard a bunch of noise on this forum how Black Caviar would be exposed once she got out of Australia and ran against the European horses. Well, she didn't.

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if a career consisting of 21 sprints is any indication.

That would be 22 now, I believe. 22 in a row without a loss ... and Zenyatta folded up in her 20th as soon as she met the boys on a surface other than her preferred one.

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After all, the biggest money, most prestige and greatest acclaim comes from beating the best horses over a distance of ground.

The most in America, anyhow. The rest of the world seems to be giving Black Caviar plenty of acclaim.

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To say Caviar is the best mare of all-time is, with all due respect, absolutely laughable.

As a couple posters here used to say about Zenyatta before she was exposed, "There is no arguing with perfection."

Goldikova was better than Zenyatta, and now Black Caviar is better. Z's reign was very short lived.
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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2012, 12:00:07 PM »


Goldikova was better than Zenyatta, and now Black Caviar is better. Z's reign was very short lived.

I would say nothing has changed. Those of you who never thought she was all that, still don't. Those who think she was one of the best of all time, still do.
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« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2012, 02:08:05 PM »

he is moving like a tremendous machine..


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« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2012, 02:16:24 PM »

Yes, "Zenyatta" was the best no doubt...and if it wasn't for a nose loss in her second BC run no one would even argue the point. I notice that Terry got off the Rachel "best ever" stance when she had to run against better horses than the junk she beat. He was wrong then and he is wrong now. He just needs a new horse to ride.  laughing guy  Black Caviar may be one of the best grass sprinters of all time, however,  Goldikova, Zenyatta, Personal Ensign, and Ruffian were all better since they ran more distances and some on multiple surfaces.
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« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2012, 07:12:39 PM »

No doubt?  That sounds like the opinion of somebody who's not very old and has never seen international racing.  What about Ruffian or Allez France or Twilight Tear or . . . .

Not knocking Zenyatta, but there's plenty of doubt for anybody who thinks about all the possibilities.
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« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2012, 08:08:53 PM »

Zarkava, Miesque, Petite Etoile,Busher........ who can say who's the best ever? certainly not me.
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« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2012, 10:14:50 PM »

Zarkava, Miesque, Petite Etoile,Busher........ who can say who's the best ever? certainly not me.

I vote for Bill Russell. maroon
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2012, 09:56:11 AM »

Its a big change, especially for a mare, to make such a climate switch I saw most of the other Aussie horses melted down and ran awful, going from the beginnings of winter to the beginnings of summer halfway around the World only makes her win more special and combine that with the jock apparently misjudging the finish line

You notcied the difference between European and American racing this week.....The Euros went crazy over Frankel's win.....Meanwhile if it had been the US and it was [insert horse name here] the naysayers would have been screaming how his stablemate set the race for him perfectly and then conveniently moved out of his way and how he beat the same "tomato cans" he has been beating at the same distance he's been beating them at for years......Its the difference in embracing and realizing how great he is than always looking for the negative in everything like we tend to do here
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« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2012, 09:57:49 AM »

Its a big change, especially for a mare, to make such a climate switch I saw most of the other Aussie horses melted down and ran awful, going from the beginnings of winter to the beginnings of summer halfway around the World only makes her win more special and combine that with the jock apparently misjudging the finish line

Not to mention, apparently getting injured in the race.
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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2012, 02:37:45 PM »

Timeform is expected to give Black Caviar the highest rating in history:

"Timeform is expected to lift Black Caviar to 137 or 138, making her the highest rated mare in history after the win, surpassing Allez France, the French champion of the 1970s, and England's great sprinter of the 1980s, Habibti."

By way of comparison, the best Z ever got was 131. Tops ever AFAIK was Frankel's 2008 147. 

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/caviar-wins-in-a-thriller-20120624-20vuy.html
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« Reply #22 on: June 25, 2012, 03:20:32 PM »

Nolen didnt even ride her the whole race--if she does receive that numper--then she deserved a better one
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« Reply #23 on: June 25, 2012, 06:10:48 PM »

Nolen didnt even ride her the whole race--if she does receive that numper--then she deserved a better one

Timeform numpers aren't really so much "objective" precision scientific laughing guy speed figs a la Ragozin or Beyer, but more "subjective" numpers like handicap weights. So, even though she did have that bad ride, the Timeform guys can take that into account. They are more properly an opinion of "best horse" than an attempt to quantify a specific race performance.
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« Reply #24 on: June 25, 2012, 07:25:19 PM »

Yes, "Zenyatta" was the best no doubt...and if it wasn't for a nose loss in her second BC run no one would even argue the point. I notice that Terry got off the Rachel "best ever" stance when she had to run against better horses than the junk she beat. He was wrong then and he is wrong now. He just needs a new horse to ride.  laughing guy  Black Caviar may be one of the best grass sprinters of all time, however,  Goldikova, Zenyatta, Personal Ensign, and Ruffian were all better since they ran more distances and some on multiple surfaces.
Made more money on her than any mare I ever bet so to me she will always be the Queen and the Best ever! You damn strait if she would have one that last race they would be kissn her big beautiful azz.
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