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Bob B
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« on: April 23, 2012, 12:58:18 PM »

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/69168/havre-de-grace-retired-with-ankle-injury
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« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2012, 01:44:17 PM »

200 lb exercise riders can do that to an ankle.

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« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2012, 02:50:54 PM »

200 lb exercise riders can do that to an ankle.

 nyah

  Used to hate seeing that every morning.  Tiny fillies with 180+lbs of good eats and beer atop them, and come January we see bucked shins everywhere head shake
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« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2012, 10:19:13 PM »

She's also up for sale:
http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/69182/porter-havre-de-grace-is-for-sale
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2012, 09:26:45 AM »

She would be a great purchase.  Probably the best racing female since Ruffian.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2012, 11:50:10 AM »

better than Zenyatta -  screwy
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2012, 12:03:00 PM »

She would be a great purchase.  Probably the best racing female since Ruffian.

Best racing female since Ruffian ?  Not likely.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2012, 12:20:26 PM »

Havre de Grace is more accomplished than Ruffian, no?

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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2012, 12:23:18 PM »

Probably the best racing female since Ruffian.

Actually, with all due respect, a more accurate statement is that HdG is the best racing female since Zenyatta.

Grace was a great race horse before she retired, but the ultimate test they both faced was in the Breeders' Cup - both the Classic and the Ladies' Classic.

Zenyatta wins that comparison, easily.
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2012, 04:02:00 PM »

It's not even a discussion!
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2012, 04:06:42 PM »

Actually, with all due respect, a more accurate statement is that HdG is the best racing female since Zenyatta.

Grace was a great race horse before she retired, but the ultimate test they both faced was in the Breeders' Cup - both the Classic and the Ladies' Classic.

Zenyatta wins that comparison, easily.

Zenyatta wins that comparison yes!
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2012, 06:09:37 AM »

  Used to hate seeing that every morning.  Tiny fillies with 180+lbs of good eats and beer atop them, and come January we see bucked shins everywhere head shake

Actually, from the picture, HdG's exercise rider looks nowhere close to 180.  Just by looking, I'd say closer to 110 or 120.  She doesn't look very big.

I don't think I've ever seen an exercise rider much over about 145 who could get steady work.   Most trainers won't use them.  I know it was just a joke, but good jokes need to have a hook in reality.  It's what makes them funny.  Jokes that just come out of nowhere and don't have much of a point usually don't work.
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2012, 08:27:30 AM »

Actually, from the picture, HdG's exercise rider looks nowhere close to 180.  Just by looking, I'd say closer to 110 or 120.  She doesn't look very big.

I don't think I've ever seen an exercise rider much over about 145 who could get steady work.   Most trainers won't use them.  I know it was just a joke, but good jokes need to have a hook in reality.  It's what makes them funny.  Jokes that just come out of nowhere and don't have much of a point usually don't work.

  How much would you say Larry Jones goes?
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2012, 08:33:42 AM »

Actually, from the picture, HdG's exercise rider looks nowhere close to 180.  Just by looking, I'd say closer to 110 or 120.  She doesn't look very big.

I don't think I've ever seen an exercise rider much over about 145 who could get steady work.   Most trainers won't use them.  I know it was just a joke, but good jokes need to have a hook in reality.  It's what makes them funny.  Jokes that just come out of nowhere and don't have much of a point usually don't work.

  How many have you given a leg up?  You can tell a bag of bricks real quick, and I've seen a few.  You probably have as well. I know 170 was seen in more that one barn around the southern curcuit both trackside and at the training centers.  More prevailent at the training centers  for reasons you cited, as well as a practical method of getting the fresh or common ones to settle in quickly.  I used to cringe whenever a certain fellow came around the corner.  Always hoped he would pass mine by, but nope, he always got on mine,and I always had a pair or two of bucked shins.  Call it coincidence if you will.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2012, 09:02:52 AM »

Actually, from the picture, HdG's exercise rider looks nowhere close to 180.  Just by looking, I'd say closer to 110 or 120.  She doesn't look very big.

I don't think I've ever seen an exercise rider much over about 145 who could get steady work.   Most trainers won't use them.  I know it was just a joke, but good jokes need to have a hook in reality.  It's what makes them funny.  Jokes that just come out of nowhere and don't have much of a point usually don't work.

The comment was in reference to trainer Larry Jones' weight.  He's known to get on his horses in the morning on a regular basis.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2012, 10:13:57 AM »

She sure is a nice mare.  In the muddy Beldame, on paper, she looked too good to be true, so at 1/2 I stupidly bet the field against her.  She was really good that day.

If making comparisons, don't forget to include in Blind Luck. She's another good one.
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« Reply #16 on: April 27, 2012, 10:57:13 AM »

Which leads me to think she could still be a top horse racing injured, in the mud ?

Why I say this is weird. Yesterday, I watched a DVD, In Old Kentucky (1935), starring Will Rodgers as the trainer of Greyboy, a good but injured horse who despite his injury could still race fast on the slop.

Of course, they hired a rainmaker and bet the pasture land (or farm).

It was an OK movie, with an eerie, I don't know the word, "coincidence" to the Trayvon Martin shooting. Loose cannon "Grandpa" Martingale (the father of the ingenue owner of Greyboy) prowling around the set (which looked more like CA than KY. In fact it was filmed at the ranch of the then current CA racing commissioner), with a loaded double barreled shotgun profiling and aiming to shoot anyone associated with the rival East Coast Shattuck family, disputers of the Martingale pasture land. Without furthering the plot, it became a worn out joke. Called out as a public nuisance, the sherriff was put on the hunt for Gramps and ordered a $2,000 peace bond placed against him upon his arrest. Of course no one was actually shot.  Bill Bojangles Robinson danced and co-starred.  Save for Rogers and Robinson, the cast was weak.

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« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2012, 11:15:17 AM »

Is it to late in the season to breed her , my guess is yes ?
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« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2012, 03:01:54 PM »

Is it to late in the season to breed her , my guess is yes ?

That's a good question.
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« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2012, 04:47:22 PM »

Havre de Grace is more accomplished than Ruffian, no?



She accomplished winning horse of the year in a season when it should have gone to a horse in the starter allowance ranks, and then went wrong shortly thereafter. Not real high on the list of "accomplished" runners.
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« Reply #20 on: April 27, 2012, 06:41:49 PM »

  How much would you say Larry Jones goes?

Larry goes about 165 and nobody said a word when Proud Spell and Hard Spun were champions and Larry got on those two everyday

ridculous tidea to suggets Larry is 200 pounds and the reason for the retirement--actually A Dutrow had her at 3 when Larry was retired
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« Reply #21 on: April 27, 2012, 07:43:09 PM »

That's a good question.

It's pretty late for a mare fresh off the racetrack. They often take a while to settle down, cycle normally and generally get ready to be mommies.
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« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2012, 07:51:10 PM »

It's pretty late for a mare fresh off the racetrack. They often take a while to settle down, cycle normally and generally get ready to be mommies.


Exactly. Mares fresh off the track tend to "crash" for a period of time after they are taken out of training. I would not recommend breeding her till next year.
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« Reply #23 on: April 28, 2012, 10:26:55 AM »

Larry goes about 165 and nobody said a word when Proud Spell and Hard Spun were champions and Larry got on those two everyday

ridculous tidea to suggets Larry is 200 pounds and the reason for the retirement--actually A Dutrow had her at 3 when Larry was retired

  Who said he was 200 dunno
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« Reply #24 on: April 28, 2012, 04:48:27 PM »

200 lb exercise riders can do that to an ankle.

 nyah

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