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Author Topic: RACE TRACK GOSSIP STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH  (Read 6548 times)
Dan Nance
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« Reply #25 on: November 12, 2005, 11:06:31 PM »

Dan:

I agree, one week should not make that much of a difference. Brent said one thing he feared was Nineteenth Hole usually does not race good two weeks in a row. I think that was the case although I am not making excuses, you might want to throw out tonight races because the track is in shit condition.

One thing I keep forgetting to tell you is that Balmoral was fined $1K two weeks ago for that late start when they did not have the track ready to go. Dan, it was hilarious because the trackman, Billy Cloys took a night off and it rained. They had nobody available to blade the track. It got so bad that Homer was offering to let his Mexicans work on the track for 5 bucks an hour. LOL. These fuc##n Johnston's are so cheap that nobody wants to work for them so they end up with shit like this. I am telling you, Chicago harness racing is a comedy show in itself.

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Joe

        I see what you're saying. I still won money tonight but I can't stand the excuses from these trainers anymore.

       Do me a favor and tell Nelson Willis that he also did a real fine job of classifying " Johns My Boy " tonight. Tell him I said if he can't find a straight NW 5 to race in then just sit the damn horse in the barn until that idiot Doc Narotsky learns how to write races. Doesn't that f**kin idiot Doc know that you can't combine NW5 with horses that have earned between 100K and 300K.

       You're right Joe, Chicago racing is a real comedy show. I'm done for tonight and I'm going into my movie room to watch a movie with my wife. Talk to you later. 
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« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2005, 11:37:26 PM »

Joe

        I see what you're saying. I still won money tonight but I can't stand the excuses from these trainers anymore.

       Do me a favor and tell Nelson Willis that he also did a real fine job of classifying " Johns My Boy " tonight. Tell him I said if he can't find a straight NW 5 to race in then just sit the damn horse in the barn until that idiot Doc Narotsky learns how to write races. Doesn't that f**kin idiot Doc know that you can't combine NW5 with horses that have earned between 100K and 300K.

       You're right Joe, Chicago racing is a real comedy show. I'm done for tonight and I'm going into my movie room to watch a movie with my wife. Talk to you later. 

Dan:

I hear you loud and clear. Sometimes I think the weather gets so bad with rain and shit because Doc, Langley, and the Johnston's are even hated by Mother Nature.

You know full well what it is like if you go up to Doc and ask him to write a race for your horse? He will purposely tell you to take the horse some place else to race because he is the boss, and he'll do whatever he wants to do. Willis is better off not saying a word because he has to deal with that bald snake mother fuc##r every day. That is the part of this business that I don't miss. Edward and you young guys should pay attention to shit like this because Doc will make you race your horse over their heads until he feels like writing a race. That is why I hope he is diagnosed with AIDS or Terminal Cancer. He is one rotten mother fuc##r.

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« Reply #27 on: November 12, 2005, 11:48:08 PM »

Dan:

I hear you loud and clear. Sometimes I think the weather gets so bad with rain and shit because Doc, Langley, and the Johnston's are even hated by Mother Nature.

You know full well what it is like if you go up to Doc and ask him to write a race for your horse? He will purposely tell you to take the horse some place else to race because he is the boss, and he'll do whatever he wants to do. Willis is better off not saying a word because he has to deal with that bald snake mother fuc##r every day. That is the part of this business that I don't miss. Edward and you young guys should pay attention to shit like this because Doc will make you race your horse over their heads until he feels like writing a race. That is why I hope he is diagnosed with AIDS or Terminal Cancer. He is one rotten mother fuc##r.

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I agree it's a bad condition -- but, you KNOW that if you have a NW5 here, you'll have to run him up against the NW5000 or put a tag on his head.  The only time a straight NW5 has been written was the occasional NW4/5 at Maywood (there were only 2 or 3 of those, I think)...so you know this ahead of time.

It's a TERRIBLE condition sheet here, and it has changed very little since I was very, very small.  The claiming tags on the NW are all messed up, there aren't enough condition levels, and once your horse is at NW5, you're in a heap of trouble.

They are writing a NW4000L5 at Maywood now, so that's a little bit better spot.  If they were smart, they would take a cue from the Big M and write a 20-25000CLHCP for 3-5YOs.  But, change and intelligence seem to be lacking here...

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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2005, 12:00:10 AM »

I think there was a tremendous up close bias tonight. The sad thing of it is, half these drivers didnt even realize it, Mr HITEMAN!!!!!!   If I was a trainer, I would take a hammer to your head and beat you over the head with it until you realized that you cant come from far back tonight. These guys ain't the smartest people in the world.
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2005, 01:13:20 AM »

Track sucked up the place tonight.  Hard as a brick in spots and deep and dippy in others. Surprised if there aren't a lot of really sore horses tomorrow. 
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2005, 06:21:00 AM »

If I raced a horse last night and he come up sore today because of the track condition I would be upset.

EW you are 1/2 right about the condition sheet not changing much since you were very very small..The conditions have not changed much but the purses---------------that's another story!!

I know what you meant though.....
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2005, 08:32:32 AM »

I agree it's a bad condition -- but, you KNOW that if you have a NW5 here, you'll have to run him up against the NW5000 or put a tag on his head.  The only time a straight NW5 has been written was the occasional NW4/5 at Maywood (there were only 2 or 3 of those, I think)...so you know this ahead of time.

It's a TERRIBLE condition sheet here, and it has changed very little since I was very, very small.  The claiming tags on the NW are all messed up, there aren't enough condition levels, and once your horse is at NW5, you're in a heap of trouble.

They are writing a NW4000L5 at Maywood now, so that's a little bit better spot.  If they were smart, they would take a cue from the Big M and write a 20-25000CLHCP for 3-5YOs.  But, change and intelligence seem to be lacking here...

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Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2005, 08:59:04 AM »

The password was wind.  As in 35 m.p.h. headwind into the stretch.  The track was a bit uneven, but who is expecting anything less from the maintenance crew at Balmoral ?  Bal has always had dips, hollows, ridges,etc. on the mile track.  Think water skiing - that's how it feels out there sometimes.  It was nearly impossible to cut through that wind to score, especially if the tailwind fractions were loafed.  The 3 races in a row where they zipped to a :54 2/5 - :54 3/5 half, managed to leave the field in shambles and closers could win, though Upatitagain scored from off the pace with a :31  + last "Q". 

 You "folks" should be paying more attention to the best 2 drivers here jumping it off at odds on a few times with sound stock or at least one guy who "mailed in " his efforts and took the safe $25/race route instead of justifying his already shaky credibility by trying with his "steeds".  TC
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2005, 10:27:30 AM »

Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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Joseph M. Dakuras
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Great Post, Thanks Joe D. for pointing out what Doc and langley did on the race and how they cheated. What about the 3-year old ICF race that only went for $7,500 and a nw of 3&4 going for $6,200. How could you disgrace some of the best 3-year ICF pacers into only going for $1,200 more??? Makes no sense. Thats o.k. because most of those horses will go to N.J. and race for 5-times this ASS-ANINE money with most never returning. Way to go GUYS way to make these horses leave SOONER. Jag-offs. Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
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« Reply #34 on: November 13, 2005, 11:18:06 AM »


Great Post, Thanks Joe D. for pointing out what Doc and langley did on the race and how they cheated. What about the 3-year old ICF race that only went for $7,500 and a nw of 3&4 going for $6,200. How could you disgrace some of the best 3-year ICF pacers into only going for $1,200 more??? Makes no sense. Thats o.k. because most of those horses will go to N.J. and race for 5-times this ASS-ANINE money with most never returning. Way to go GUYS way to make these horses leave SOONER. Jag-offs. Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry

Superman:

I pointed this out because I want the World to know what kind of rotten mother fuc##rs Langley and Doc really are. Dan and I were telling guys like Richard Breth and Edward, that Doc was writing that race for the sole purpose of accommodating Langley and the Johnston's. Now, everyone can see and understand what I was talking about back 2 months ago. What do you think of my Doc death poll? I am hoping when Dan N. sees it he will start a poll so we can vote on it. We could have another poll too, like the how much money did Johnny Johnston cheat the fans out of when he fixed a t-bred race and rode a ringer?
a) $20K
b) $40K
c) $60K
d) Over $60K and his old man and him are still spending.

What do you think? Where are you at Dan Nance, we need these polls started up?

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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2005, 02:03:55 PM »

Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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Joe,

You've undoubtedly got some points which I never questioned to begin with -- however, without some semblance of truth, I'm not going to completely hang someone.  (although it surely does look bad)

At the same time, however, with the stakes season closing, the NW3/4 class becomes easier, and the NW4/20CL becomes unnecessary because many of those horses can transfer to the straights and be competitive.  They did remain with the NW4/12CL, which was a departure from the past, and a welcome sight.

You don't have to convince me that the condition sheet is poor -- and I'm already disappointed on that front.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the condition was hand-picked, but I can't say that for certain....

I would like to see JUST these claiming levels though:
NW1/8CL
NW2/10CL
NW3/12CL
NW4/15CL
20-25000CLHCP (3-4YO)

And note -- these would be restricted to 4YO and under.  The "career" NW horses, IMO, make for bad races.

Lower NW3/4CL classes could be written as well, but personally, I don't want the trash from NW3/7CL filling out the card.  They can either make the step up to running against slightly better (those that drop now, because of the larger tag), or they can head to Raceway/Northville/etc.

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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2005, 03:37:59 PM »

Joe,

You've undoubtedly got some points which I never questioned to begin with -- however, without some semblance of truth, I'm not going to completely hang someone.  (although it surely does look bad)

At the same time, however, with the stakes season closing, the NW3/4 class becomes easier, and the NW4/20CL becomes unnecessary because many of those horses can transfer to the straights and be competitive.  They did remain with the NW4/12CL, which was a departure from the past, and a welcome sight.

You don't have to convince me that the condition sheet is poor -- and I'm already disappointed on that front.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the condition was hand-picked, but I can't say that for certain....

I would like to see JUST these claiming levels though:
NW1/8CL
NW2/10CL
NW3/12CL
NW4/15CL
20-25000CLHCP (3-4YO)

And note -- these would be restricted to 4YO and under.  The "career" NW horses, IMO, make for bad races.

Lower NW3/4CL classes could be written as well, but personally, I don't want the trash from NW3/7CL filling out the card.  They can either make the step up to running against slightly better (those that drop now, because of the larger tag), or they can head to Raceway/Northville/etc.

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Edward:

You missed the entire point of my post. I was responding to the mysterious nw4 races to be claimed for 20K. Remember? I think Dan and I were trying to convince Tom and you about how crooked Doc is and how slanted he writes that condition sheet to accommodate Langley/Johnston owned horses. Do you see it now?

As far as the conditional claimers being written per your post, I agree 100% with you on that. A while ago when Phil Langley was race secretary, I had him convinced into writing nws claiming handicapped races. He thought my idea was a good one but it probably conflicted with his corruption, so he skipped it. If I had my way as far as conditional claimers, here is what it would look like.

NW1/7-10 claiming handicap
NW2/8-12 claiming handicap
NW3/10-15 claiming handicap
NW4/12-17 claiming handicap
NW5-6/15-20 claiming handicap
20,000-30,000 claiming handicap (3-5 yr. olds)

I think you would see more competitive racing and allow a guy to classify his young horse without having to chance losing money via the claiming game. At least an owner would put their horse in, say a NW2 to be claimed for 12K without getting killed if the horse got claimed. Just my opinion, and as I said before, Langley thought this was a great idea but it probably conflicted with his way of writing corrupt races for his own horses so he canned the idea.

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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2005, 03:53:01 PM »

Edward:

You missed the entire point of my post. I was responding to the mysterious nw4 races to be claimed for 20K. Remember? I think Dan and I were trying to convince Tom and you about how crooked Doc is and how slanted he writes that condition sheet to accommodate Langley/Johnston owned horses. Do you see it now?

As far as the conditional claimers being written per your post, I agree 100% with you on that. A while ago when Phil Langley was race secretary, I had him convinced into writing nws claiming handicapped races. He thought my idea was a good one but it probably conflicted with his corruption, so he skipped it. If I had my way as far as conditional claimers, here is what it would look like.

NW1/7-10 claiming handicap
NW2/8-12 claiming handicap
NW3/10-15 claiming handicap
NW4/12-17 claiming handicap
NW5-6/15-20 claiming handicap
20,000-30,000 claiming handicap (3-5 yr. olds)

I think you would see more competitive racing and allow a guy to classify his young horse without having to chance losing money via the claiming game. At least an owner would put their horse in, say a NW2 to be claimed for 12K without getting killed if the horse got claimed. Just my opinion, and as I said before, Langley thought this was a great idea but it probably conflicted with his way of writing corrupt races for his own horses so he canned the idea.

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Definitely like the idea for the claiming handicaps.

It's just a shame that the people in IL raise a yearling...and then, he better be able to either go in 1:52-3-4, or go in for a $9,000 after allowances tag.  You wonder how much they think about these things...

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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2005, 03:58:08 PM »

Definitely like the idea for the claiming handicaps.

It's just a shame that the people in IL raise a yearling...and then, he better be able to either go in 1:52-3-4, or go in for a $9,000 after allowances tag.  You wonder how much they think about these things...

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Edward:

Again, I agree. Like I said, I thought my nw claiming handicap was a pretty good idea but maybe because Doc or Langley did not think of it themselves, they shitcanned it. Because of the fact that you stated, a guy raising a yearling and having to go in 52, is one of the main reasons you see noncompetitive racing and over classification. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2005, 04:01:22 PM »

Edward:

Again, I agree. Like I said, I thought my nw claiming handicap was a pretty good idea but maybe because Doc or Langley did not think of it themselves, they shitcanned it. Because of the fact that you stated, a guy raising a yearling and having to go in 52, is one of the main reasons you see noncompetitive racing and over classification. Just my opinion.

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It's a correct opinion, Joe.

What are you supposed to do?  Buy it for $7k, pay $10k to break/raise, another $5k in training -- and then put it in for 6000 because it can't go with Odds On Somethingorother?  Terrible.

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THOSE COND CLAIMING RACES ARE FOR THE BIRDS...VERY INCONSISTANT..TRY TO SKIP THEM IF I CAN
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2005, 12:00:51 PM »

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hawthorne change their condition sheet this summer in a number
of races. I believe they went to straight nw of a pari-mutuel race in their non-winners of races classes which hasn't been written in Chicago as long as I can remember. Didn't they also graduate their nw/claiming races with nw1/6000, nw2/6500, nw3/7000, nw4/7500, nw 5/8000, etc. They also went with double claiming allowances which is done in virtually every racing jurisdiction outside Chicago. My trainer told me Doc was really pissed off at Hawthorne for screwing around with "his" condition sheet. Can anyone verify this?
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