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Author Topic: RACE TRACK GOSSIP STRAIGHT FROM THE HORSES MOUTH  (Read 6324 times)
Dan Nance
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« on: November 12, 2005, 06:23:37 PM »

I hear that "Tom Kelly" quit as the presiding judge at Maywood because he was the only judge to get fined for the wrong numbers being put on the tote board. I understand that Tom got fined $500 while the other two judges were only given two days off. He got pissed about him being the only judge fined and told them to stick their job and quit.

    I've been told that " Chris Ezzo " wife of " Mickey Ezzo " is going around and telling people not to view the BTW forum because she says it's nasty and should be shut down and that the people on the site are saying the shit they're saying because they can't race anymore.

    Well, tell me miss " Stick Up The Butt " is that where this crap is coming from, " You " spreading rumors around the track that I along with some others are not being allowed to race? Sounds like it to me. Maybe that's why Burton and a few others are saying these UNTRUE things because you are telling people that.

     I'm giving you a fair warning miss " Stick Up The Butt " that if I find out that you are spreading false rumors around the track about me and slandering my name I'm going to call Lee Shalgos and sue you and Mickey's ass. You won't like it if I get to own that big house of yours. So, just remember lady, watch what you say about me because my license is GOOD to race ANYWHERE. Tell your husband to check it out down at the IRB office's when he heads to work Monday morning.

       
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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2005, 09:43:20 PM »

Dan:

Wow is your information good from 1900 miles away. I heard the same story and it is too bad because Tom Kelly is a good guy. He is one of the few guys left who will go out of his way to help the horsemen. Tom always says hello when he sees me and goes out of his way to be cordial. I love talking college basketball with Tom knows that the UNLV Runnin Rebels are the best that college basketball has to offer. Tom knows that Jerry Tarkanian is Mr. Basketball and the best coach ever.

Hey Tom, I feel for you buddy. Do me a favor and walk up to Johnny Johnston without warning and punch him right in the face. Now do you understand why Scott E. got the hell out of here? If you see Langley and Doc, tell them I said that I hope they are diagnosed with terminal cancer or aids, whichever they prefer.

Go ahead and tell these mother fuc##rs to kiss your ass and put the wrong numbers up on the tote board every race on purpose. I would put up the biggest price horse on every race, lock the door to the steward’s room, and take the phone off the hook. Make the Johnston's lose a few hundred thousand and tell them to take their presiding judge job and cram it in their ass. I wish you the best Tom and don't let these rotten mother fuc##rs get to you.

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                       MOSES SCURRY
                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2005, 09:47:18 PM »

Wow is your information good from 1900 miles away. I heard the same story and it is too bad because Tom Kelly is a good guy. He is one of the few guys left who will go out of his way to help the horsemen. Tom always says hello when he sees me and goes out of his way to be cordial. I love talking college basketball with Tom knows that the UNLV Runnin Rebels are the best that college basketball has to offer. Tom knows that Jerry Tarkanian is Mr. Basketball and the best coach ever.

There was some guy named Wooden who won a lot of games with some team -- oh, yeah, UCLA.  I think he might have been good.

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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2005, 10:02:22 PM »

Edward:

John Wooden was one of the biggest cheaters in college basketball. You can read all about John Wooden and how the NCAA protected him and let him cheat in Jerry Tarkanian's newly released book, Runnin Rebel, by Jerry Tarkanian. The book was only release two weeks ago and I have already read it cover to cover. The real eye opener in this book is when UCLA alumni Bill Walton says that John Wooden cheated and the NCAA went after Jerry Tarkanian because he sued them and won $2.5 million. I am not going dispute that Wooden was not a good coach because he was, but nowhere near as good as Tark, the winningest junior college coach of all time. Please do not get me started on what the fuc##n university president and athletic director did to Tark; it was a real shame the way they destroyed the basketball program. Now Tark will never coach basketball again because of these cocksu##ers.

If you want to read some great material, just let me know and I will get the book to you. It’s not even a month old. Sorry for so long, but it makes me sick to even talk about this shit.

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                       MOSES SCURRY
                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #4 on: November 12, 2005, 10:08:49 PM »

There was some guy named Wooden who won a lot of games with some team -- oh, yeah, UCLA.  I think he might have been good.

Edward

Some people told me that one North Carolina team might have been good too. With Sam Perkins Michael Jordan James Worthy and some guys no one ever heard from again. Not like that UNLV team.   
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« Reply #5 on: November 12, 2005, 10:08:54 PM »

Edward:

John Wooden was one of the biggest cheaters in college basketball. You can read all about John Wooden and how the NCAA protected him and let him cheat in Jerry Tarkanian's newly released book, Runnin Rebel, by Jerry Tarkanian. The book was only release two weeks ago and I have already read it cover to cover. The real eye opener in this book is when UCLA alumni Bill Walton says that John Wooden cheated and the NCAA went after Jerry Tarkanian because he sued them and won $2.5 million. I am not going dispute that Wooden was not a good coach because he was, but nowhere near as good as Tark, the winningest junior college coach of all time. Please do not get me started on what the fuc##n university president and athletic director did to Tark; it was a real shame the way they destroyed the basketball program. Now Tark will never coach basketball again because of these cocksu##ers.

If you want to read some great material, just let me know and I will get the book to you. It’s not even a month old. Sorry for so long, but it makes me sick to even talk about this shit.

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Joe,

Not saying that Tark wasn't good -- but all those Championships in a row are incredible.

Also, I don't really count the "winningest junior college coach" for much at all.  It's not the same.

Tark did a big job out there -- just a little debate Smiley

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« Reply #6 on: November 12, 2005, 10:10:27 PM »

Edward

Some people told me that one North Carolina team might have been good too. With Sam Perkins Michael Jordan James Worthy and some guys no one ever heard from again. Not like that UNLV team.   

IMO, the UNLV team ranks up with some of the better teams in history.  I don't think they were the best, however, but that's just personal opinion, and there's really no way to ever know.

The fact that the program came from nowhere, and that the school didn't even exist when Wooden was winning is pretty incredible.

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« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2005, 10:23:42 PM »

IMO, the UNLV team ranks up with some of the better teams in history.  I don't think they were the best, however, but that's just personal opinion, and there's really no way to ever know.

The fact that the program came from nowhere, and that the school didn't even exist when Wooden was winning is pretty incredible.

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Edward:

    You really have to read the book. When wooden was at UCLA, he did not have to recruit much because they could offer them huge amenities that no other school could. I'll bet you did not know that when Tark coached at Long Beach State, they beat the UCLA freshman team 102-77. Like you said, its all a matter of opinion.

Tark gave underprivileged kids second, third and fourth chances when nobody else would. He took troubled kids and turned them into winners along with instilling good values and character in them. John Wooden was able to pick from the cream of the crop and Tark took street kids and built his program around them and that my friend, is the reason why Tark was a better all around person and coach. It's not even remotely close. As far as Richard talking about Michael Jordan and the North Carolina teams, UNLV had a little forward that was the first pick in the 1993 draft named Larry Johnson, Jordan was the third overall pick, again, no comparison.

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                       MOSES SCURRY
                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #8 on: November 12, 2005, 10:24:07 PM »

Man that Dave " The Hands " Magee can still drive better then anyone around in Chicago. Did you see that great drive he gave " Do Me Good ".


  
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« Reply #9 on: November 12, 2005, 10:44:58 PM »

IMO, the UNLV team ranks up with some of the better teams in history.  I don't think they were the best, however, but that's just personal opinion, and there's really no way to ever know.

The fact that the program came from nowhere, and that the school didn't even exist when Wooden was winning is pretty incredible.

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Edward:

    You really have to read the book. When wooden was at UCLA, he did not have to recruit much because they could offer them huge amenities that no other school could. I'll bet you did not know that when Tark coached at Long Beach State, they beat the UCLA freshman team 102-77. Like you said, its all a matter of opinion.

Tark gave underprivileged kids second, third and fourth chances when nobody else would. He took troubled kids and turned them into winners along with instilling good values and character in them. John Wooden was able to pick from the cream of the crop and Tark took street kids and built his program around them and that my friend, is the reason why Tark was a better all around person and coach. It's not even remotely close. As far as Richard talking about Michael Jordan and the North Carolina teams, UNLV had a little forward that was the first pick in the 1993 draft named Larry Johnson, Jordan was the third overall pick, again, no comparison.

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                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #10 on: November 12, 2005, 10:49:43 PM »

Dan:

Do you know if Tom Kelly is still employed at Balmoral? I see that he does not announce the races any more and was wondering if he quit. If he did, I hope he fell down on the floor and hires an attorney to sue the Johnston's for his injuries and emotional stress. I hope he takes the to the cleaners. As Dan Nance would say, "FU#K EM ALL." Good luck Tom Kelly, punch Johnny Johnston right in the face.

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                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #11 on: November 12, 2005, 10:50:44 PM »

I still think that's one of the most hilarious stories in the history of all sports.  TWO teams passed on Michael Jordan.  Wow.  That's hilarious.

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« Reply #12 on: November 12, 2005, 10:59:27 PM »

I still think that's one of the most hilarious stories in the history of all sports.  TWO teams passed on Michael Jordan.  Wow.  That's hilarious.

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Scotty:

With all due respect, Michael Jordan did not have the collegiate career that Larry Johnson had. In college, there was no comparison between them and Larry Won the John Wooden award and the national championship with a team the was not expected to go very far. How difficult was it to play with James Worthy and Sam Sleepy Perkins. Plus, Jerry Tarkanian is the only coach in college basketball history to ever have 3 first round draft choices: Larry Johnson, Stacy Augmon, and Greg Anthony. Anderson Hunt went on to play professional ball in Italy. Sorry, but I have watched many college basketball teams over the years and no team or coach can compare to the UNLV Runnin Rebels of 1990 and Jerry Tarkanian. No sense in debating because it's not even close.

Special Note To Richard Breth: When the Charlotte Hornets had a basketball team, they came to UNLV to get the best college player of the year, snubbing their very own in-state university, North Carolina.

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                       STACEY AUGMON
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« Reply #13 on: November 12, 2005, 11:01:05 PM »

So, of the 1990 UNLV starting five...here's the NBA presence:

Anthony: 11 seasons, 7/2/4 player
Hunt: No
Scurry: No
Augmon: 14 seasons, 8/3/2 player
LJ: 10 seasons, 16/7/3 player

Just for the info.

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« Reply #14 on: November 12, 2005, 11:04:34 PM »

Dan:

Do you know if Tom Kelly is still employed at Balmoral? I see that he does not announce the races any more and was wondering if he quit. If he did, I hope he fell down on the floor and hires an attorney to sue the Johnston's for his injuries and emotional stress. I hope he takes the to the cleaners. As Dan Nance would say, "FU#K EM ALL." Good luck Tom Kelly, punch Johnny Johnston right in the face.

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I don't know. Maybe Chris Ezzo went to the Johnson's and told them she saw Tom Kelly talking to you so they demoted him to a waiter in the dining room. Hopfully, if he waits on their table when they're stuffing their big fat faces he'll take a HOT pot of coffee and dump in on their heads and give them 3'rd degree burns.

    
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2005, 11:07:03 PM »

Special Note To Richard Breth: When the Charlotte Hornets had a basketball team, they came to UNLV to get the best college player of the year, snubbing their very own in-state university, North Carolina.

That is probably why the Charlotte Hornets have so many NBA championships compared to the Chicago Bulls.
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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2005, 11:09:46 PM »

Scotty:

With all due respect, Michael Jordan did not have the collegiate career that Larry Johnson had.

Jordan put up 18 a game playing with Perkins and Worthy.  LJ was a 22/11 player, but he only played his Jr and Sr years.

And -- about the draft: who was going to get taken in front of LJ?  Kenny Anderson?  Billy Owens?  Dikembe?  Jesus Christ -- Luc went 7th!  1984 had: Akheem, Bowie, Perkins, Barkley, and Alvin Robertson.

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« Reply #17 on: November 12, 2005, 11:10:51 PM »

So, of the 1990 UNLV starting five...here's the NBA presence:

Anthony: 11 seasons, 7/2/4 player
Hunt: No
Scurry: No
Augmon: 14 seasons, 8/3/2 player
LJ: 10 seasons, 16/7/3 player

Just for the info.

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Edward:

Don't forget that Greg Anthony is a ESPN TV-analyst for the NBA. Also, Greg Anthony, Stacy Augmon, and LJ all wore the number 2 while they were in the NBA because that was Tarks number when he played college ball and to honor Tark for what the mother fuc##r Bob Maxson did to him, they all agreed to wear Tarks number. Stacy and LJ would not graduate on stage because they did not want to be on the same stage as the cocks##er Maxson, so they just took their diplomas and left. It is too bad because neither of these guys will make any contributions to UNLV because of what they did to Tark. Very sad.

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                       MOSES SCURRY
                       STACEY AUGMON
                       LARRY JOHNSON
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« Reply #18 on: November 12, 2005, 11:11:43 PM »

JD, wrong guy , I never said anything about "Gramma"
Just to let you know, Tobin Infinity on Sahara Ave. has all of the starting 5's jersey's sighned and framed and hanging in their show room with a big sighn reading "The GREATEST starting 5 in college Bask. history"!!!!
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« Reply #19 on: November 12, 2005, 11:23:50 PM »

Jordan put up 18 a game playing with Perkins and Worthy.  LJ was a 22/11 player, but he only played his Jr and Sr years.

And -- about the draft: who was going to get taken in front of LJ?  Kenny Anderson?  Billy Owens?  Dikembe?  Jesus Christ -- Luc went 7th!  1984 had: Akheem, Bowie, Perkins, Barkley, and Alvin Robertson.

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Edward:

Bowie was the biggest bust since Brian Bosworth. On the other hand, it was not LJ's fault that he dominated those guys and made them look silly. Another thing you don't know is that LJ played at Odessa Junior College for 3 years and was only supposed to be eligible to play 1 year with UNLV...until President George W. Bush declared him eligible for another year forcing that fuc##in NCAA to allow LJ one more year. Look at his numbers at Odessa, dominating to say the least. One thing I taught LJ to do was bet harness racing! LOL. We used to love to play Yonkers, don't ask me why, but we did. Reminds me of a real funny story. One night LJ and I are betting Yonkers getting our asses kicked, so I get a comp at the Barbary Coast coffee shop. It's about 1:00 in the morning and here comes this kid about 10 years old asking for an autograph. LJ looks at me and says, what do you think, I say go ahead, so he does. Five minutes later, here comes this kid with his friend wanting more autographs and LJ says no way, I just signed for you and that is it. The kid looks at me and I shrug my shoulders so he says to LJ, that’s okay, I did not want it any way because you suck. True story. LOL.

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                       STACEY AUGMON
                       LARRY JOHNSON
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« Reply #20 on: November 12, 2005, 11:29:26 PM »

Edward:

Bowie was the biggest bust since Brian Bosworth. On the other hand, it was not LJ's fault that he dominated those guys and made them look silly. Another thing you don't know is that LJ played at Odessa Junior College for 3 years and was only supposed to be eligible to play 1 year with UNLV...until President George W. Bush declared him eligible for another year forcing that fuc##in NCAA to allow LJ one more year. Look at his numbers at Odessa, dominating to say the least. One thing I taught LJ to do was bet harness racing! LOL. We used to love to play Yonkers, don't ask me why, but we did. Reminds me of a real funny story. One night LJ and I are betting Yonkers getting our asses kicked, so I get a comp at the Barbary Coast coffee shop. It's about 1:00 in the morning and here comes this kid about 10 years old asking for an autograph. LJ looks at me and says, what do you think, I say go ahead, so he does. Five minutes later, here comes this kid with his friend wanting more autographs and LJ says no way, I just signed for you and that is it. The kid looks at me and I shrug my shoulders so he says to LJ, that’s okay, I did not want it any way because you suck. True story. LOL.

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Why did he have to think about an autograph for a ten-year old?  Glad he signed it, and I understand he wouldn't want them being sold -- but it's a little rough to cut the little guys off.

You have to choose someone else as well -- besides Jordan.  He was easily the greatest basketball player that's ever lived, and in college he still had the presence.  One of my former roommates is a MJ obsesser, and so I've watched about half his college career.  He was still incredible.

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« Reply #21 on: November 12, 2005, 11:47:53 PM »

JD, wrong guy , I never said anything about "Gramma"
Just to let you know, Tobin Infinity on Sahara Ave. has all of the starting 5's jersey's sighned and framed and hanging in their show room with a big sighn reading "The GREATEST starting 5 in college Bask. history"!!!!



Scotty:

You should see the shit I have with LJ and Tark's autograph all over it. I have at least 2 UNLV autographed jerseys and 1 Charlotte Hornets. I have a LJ jersey that I wear back here that is not autographed, also every starting line-up doll autographed along with every kind of basketball card too. I have a real nice UNLV basketball autographed by Tark and Larry both along with pictures of them, one in particular I'm am on LJ's shoulders! I don't think you will ever find two big time people like Tark and LJ who are more down to earth.

Scotty, I don't know if you remember the horse that I claimed for $10K named Holly Hill Bonus, not too long ago. Well the story behind that is I asked LJ to just buy a horse so we could have some fun and shit because I was going to get him an Illinois license. I call him on a Friday and tell him to catch a flight in because the horse is in to go Saturday and he says okay. He calls me Saturday and goes, quote, “I just Western Unioned you $12K, go ahead and claim the horse and have fun, I really don’t feel like flying today." I sent you a few extra thousand in case you needed it. That is the kind of guy LJ is. He never forgot that I always did his essays in our Human Resources class. LOL. Not one time did he ever ask me for a penny either. When I cashed a nice ticket on him I called and said Larry, I want to send you something and he always refused. There is no better friend in the World to have than Larry Johnson.

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« Reply #22 on: November 12, 2005, 11:52:39 PM »

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        What he hell do these trainers do to these horses week to week? Brent gave " Nineteenth Hole " a perfect trip and the horse couldn't close one bit. He followed " Upitagain " and had nothing when he tipped him out. Last week the horse comes home in 26.2 under wraps and he never pulled the plugs. This week NOTHING. That's why I ask, what he hell do these trainers do with these horses week to week.

    
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« Reply #23 on: November 13, 2005, 12:02:45 AM »

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        What he hell do these trainers do to these horses week to week? Brent gave " Nineteenth Hole " a perfect trip and the horse couldn't close one bit. He followed " Upitagain " and had nothing when he tipped him out. Last week the horse comes home in 26.2 under wraps and he never pulled the plugs. This week NOTHING. That's why I ask, what he hell do these trainers do with these horses week to week.

    
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I agree, one week should not make that much of a difference. Brent said one thing he feared was Nineteenth Hole usually does not race good two weeks in a row. I think that was the case although I am not making excuses, you might want to throw out tonight races because the track is in shit condition.

One thing I keep forgetting to tell you is that Balmoral was fined $1K two weeks ago for that late start when they did not have the track ready to go. Dan, it was hilarious because the trackman, Billy Cloys took a night off and it rained. They had nobody available to blade the track. It got so bad that Homer was offering to let his Mexicans work on the track for 5 bucks an hour. LOL. These fuc##n Johnston's are so cheap that nobody wants to work for them so they end up with shit like this. I am telling you, Chicago harness racing is a comedy show in itself.

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« Reply #24 on: November 13, 2005, 12:05:35 AM »

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        What he hell do these trainers do to these horses week to week? Brent gave " Nineteenth Hole " a perfect trip and the horse couldn't close one bit. He followed " Upitagain " and had nothing when he tipped him out. Last week the horse comes home in 26.2 under wraps and he never pulled the plugs. This week NOTHING. That's why I ask, what he hell do these trainers do with these horses week to week.

   
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The track is a mess.  There's no reason to even mess with it tonight, in my opinion.

And -- as a note -- Ninteenth Hole has NEVER hit the board on an off-track in his career.  That's probably also pretty important.

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« Reply #25 on: November 13, 2005, 12:06:31 AM »

Dan:

I agree, one week should not make that much of a difference. Brent said one thing he feared was Nineteenth Hole usually does not race good two weeks in a row. I think that was the case although I am not making excuses, you might want to throw out tonight races because the track is in shit condition.

One thing I keep forgetting to tell you is that Balmoral was fined $1K two weeks ago for that late start when they did not have the track ready to go. Dan, it was hilarious because the trackman, Billy Cloys took a night off and it rained. They had nobody available to blade the track. It got so bad that Homer was offering to let his Mexicans work on the track for 5 bucks an hour. LOL. These fuc##n Johnston's are so cheap that nobody wants to work for them so they end up with shit like this. I am telling you, Chicago harness racing is a comedy show in itself.

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Joe

        I see what you're saying. I still won money tonight but I can't stand the excuses from these trainers anymore.

       Do me a favor and tell Nelson Willis that he also did a real fine job of classifying " Johns My Boy " tonight. Tell him I said if he can't find a straight NW 5 to race in then just sit the damn horse in the barn until that idiot Doc Narotsky learns how to write races. Doesn't that f**kin idiot Doc know that you can't combine NW5 with horses that have earned between 100K and 300K.

       You're right Joe, Chicago racing is a real comedy show. I'm done for tonight and I'm going into my movie room to watch a movie with my wife. Talk to you later. 
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        I see what you're saying. I still won money tonight but I can't stand the excuses from these trainers anymore.

       Do me a favor and tell Nelson Willis that he also did a real fine job of classifying " Johns My Boy " tonight. Tell him I said if he can't find a straight NW 5 to race in then just sit the damn horse in the barn until that idiot Doc Narotsky learns how to write races. Doesn't that f**kin idiot Doc know that you can't combine NW5 with horses that have earned between 100K and 300K.

       You're right Joe, Chicago racing is a real comedy show. I'm done for tonight and I'm going into my movie room to watch a movie with my wife. Talk to you later. 

Dan:

I hear you loud and clear. Sometimes I think the weather gets so bad with rain and shit because Doc, Langley, and the Johnston's are even hated by Mother Nature.

You know full well what it is like if you go up to Doc and ask him to write a race for your horse? He will purposely tell you to take the horse some place else to race because he is the boss, and he'll do whatever he wants to do. Willis is better off not saying a word because he has to deal with that bald snake mother fuc##r every day. That is the part of this business that I don't miss. Edward and you young guys should pay attention to shit like this because Doc will make you race your horse over their heads until he feels like writing a race. That is why I hope he is diagnosed with AIDS or Terminal Cancer. He is one rotten mother fuc##r.

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« Reply #27 on: November 13, 2005, 12:48:08 AM »

Dan:

I hear you loud and clear. Sometimes I think the weather gets so bad with rain and shit because Doc, Langley, and the Johnston's are even hated by Mother Nature.

You know full well what it is like if you go up to Doc and ask him to write a race for your horse? He will purposely tell you to take the horse some place else to race because he is the boss, and he'll do whatever he wants to do. Willis is better off not saying a word because he has to deal with that bald snake mother fuc##r every day. That is the part of this business that I don't miss. Edward and you young guys should pay attention to shit like this because Doc will make you race your horse over their heads until he feels like writing a race. That is why I hope he is diagnosed with AIDS or Terminal Cancer. He is one rotten mother fuc##r.

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I agree it's a bad condition -- but, you KNOW that if you have a NW5 here, you'll have to run him up against the NW5000 or put a tag on his head.  The only time a straight NW5 has been written was the occasional NW4/5 at Maywood (there were only 2 or 3 of those, I think)...so you know this ahead of time.

It's a TERRIBLE condition sheet here, and it has changed very little since I was very, very small.  The claiming tags on the NW are all messed up, there aren't enough condition levels, and once your horse is at NW5, you're in a heap of trouble.

They are writing a NW4000L5 at Maywood now, so that's a little bit better spot.  If they were smart, they would take a cue from the Big M and write a 20-25000CLHCP for 3-5YOs.  But, change and intelligence seem to be lacking here...

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« Reply #28 on: November 13, 2005, 01:00:10 AM »

I think there was a tremendous up close bias tonight. The sad thing of it is, half these drivers didnt even realize it, Mr HITEMAN!!!!!!   If I was a trainer, I would take a hammer to your head and beat you over the head with it until you realized that you cant come from far back tonight. These guys ain't the smartest people in the world.
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« Reply #29 on: November 13, 2005, 02:13:20 AM »

Track sucked up the place tonight.  Hard as a brick in spots and deep and dippy in others. Surprised if there aren't a lot of really sore horses tomorrow. 
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« Reply #30 on: November 13, 2005, 07:21:00 AM »

If I raced a horse last night and he come up sore today because of the track condition I would be upset.

EW you are 1/2 right about the condition sheet not changing much since you were very very small..The conditions have not changed much but the purses---------------that's another story!!

I know what you meant though.....
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« Reply #31 on: November 13, 2005, 09:32:32 AM »

I agree it's a bad condition -- but, you KNOW that if you have a NW5 here, you'll have to run him up against the NW5000 or put a tag on his head.  The only time a straight NW5 has been written was the occasional NW4/5 at Maywood (there were only 2 or 3 of those, I think)...so you know this ahead of time.

It's a TERRIBLE condition sheet here, and it has changed very little since I was very, very small.  The claiming tags on the NW are all messed up, there aren't enough condition levels, and once your horse is at NW5, you're in a heap of trouble.

They are writing a NW4000L5 at Maywood now, so that's a little bit better spot.  If they were smart, they would take a cue from the Big M and write a 20-25000CLHCP for 3-5YOs.  But, change and intelligence seem to be lacking here...

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Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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« Reply #32 on: November 13, 2005, 09:59:04 AM »

The password was wind.  As in 35 m.p.h. headwind into the stretch.  The track was a bit uneven, but who is expecting anything less from the maintenance crew at Balmoral ?  Bal has always had dips, hollows, ridges,etc. on the mile track.  Think water skiing - that's how it feels out there sometimes.  It was nearly impossible to cut through that wind to score, especially if the tailwind fractions were loafed.  The 3 races in a row where they zipped to a :54 2/5 - :54 3/5 half, managed to leave the field in shambles and closers could win, though Upatitagain scored from off the pace with a :31  + last "Q". 

 You "folks" should be paying more attention to the best 2 drivers here jumping it off at odds on a few times with sound stock or at least one guy who "mailed in " his efforts and took the safe $25/race route instead of justifying his already shaky credibility by trying with his "steeds".  TC
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« Reply #33 on: November 13, 2005, 11:27:30 AM »

Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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Great Post, Thanks Joe D. for pointing out what Doc and langley did on the race and how they cheated. What about the 3-year old ICF race that only went for $7,500 and a nw of 3&4 going for $6,200. How could you disgrace some of the best 3-year ICF pacers into only going for $1,200 more??? Makes no sense. Thats o.k. because most of those horses will go to N.J. and race for 5-times this ASS-ANINE money with most never returning. Way to go GUYS way to make these horses leave SOONER. Jag-offs. Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry
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Great Post, Thanks Joe D. for pointing out what Doc and langley did on the race and how they cheated. What about the 3-year old ICF race that only went for $7,500 and a nw of 3&4 going for $6,200. How could you disgrace some of the best 3-year ICF pacers into only going for $1,200 more??? Makes no sense. Thats o.k. because most of those horses will go to N.J. and race for 5-times this ASS-ANINE money with most never returning. Way to go GUYS way to make these horses leave SOONER. Jag-offs. Tongue Embarrassed Lips Sealed Undecided Kiss Cry

Superman:

I pointed this out because I want the World to know what kind of rotten mother fuc##rs Langley and Doc really are. Dan and I were telling guys like Richard Breth and Edward, that Doc was writing that race for the sole purpose of accommodating Langley and the Johnston's. Now, everyone can see and understand what I was talking about back 2 months ago. What do you think of my Doc death poll? I am hoping when Dan N. sees it he will start a poll so we can vote on it. We could have another poll too, like the how much money did Johnny Johnston cheat the fans out of when he fixed a t-bred race and rode a ringer?
a) $20K
b) $40K
c) $60K
d) Over $60K and his old man and him are still spending.

What do you think? Where are you at Dan Nance, we need these polls started up?

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« Reply #35 on: November 13, 2005, 03:03:55 PM »

Edward:

Now wait just a minute. If my ailing memory serves me correct, Richard Breth and you came on this forum about 2 months ago when Dan and I questioned the condition sheet about certain races that were never written before. Do you remember? Allow me to continue, as it is all coming back to me now. I specifically remember Doc writing a nw4races lifetime to be claimed for 20K class we were discussing. It seems like ever since Langley/Johnston sold that horse (Larry Horse), the class soon disappeared along with him. How could such a thing happen?

In fact Edward, I remember that you posted on the forum that Doc wrote that race for one or two more weeks, and that was it. Unfortunately, after Larry Horse was sold, he did not come with a guarantee of special classes written for him, like when Langley/Johnston owned him. Think long and hard about that because you guys were saying Doc did not write that race to accommodate Langley/Johnston's, when we now know for a fact that the bald snake mother fuc##r did.

Just pay attention and you will see Doc and Langley fuc# over the horsemen more that a $10 Chicago Heights hooker. It's nothing new in Chicago; Langley has done it for years. When will you learn that Doc is by far the worst race secretary imaginable? He is a common piece of shi#. I am hoping Dan will start a poll thread asking for our votes on how Doc will die. The poll could give voters 4 options on weather Doc will die from:

a) In an automobile accident
b) When some angry horsemen bust him upside his bald head
c) From contracting the HIV virus from his lover or
d) Getting his ass whipped because he used his smart ass mouth toward the wrong guy

Edward, I am surprised that you did not remember that Dan and I told you that Doc is a corrupt cocksu##er and he wrote that class for Larry Horse. Is the picture a bit clearer to you now about Doc's integrity?

Dan, what do you think about starting that poll I just suggested? I think we should get to vote on how Doc will end up dieing and the choices are all very good possibilities and directly relate to that cocksu##er.


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Joe,

You've undoubtedly got some points which I never questioned to begin with -- however, without some semblance of truth, I'm not going to completely hang someone.  (although it surely does look bad)

At the same time, however, with the stakes season closing, the NW3/4 class becomes easier, and the NW4/20CL becomes unnecessary because many of those horses can transfer to the straights and be competitive.  They did remain with the NW4/12CL, which was a departure from the past, and a welcome sight.

You don't have to convince me that the condition sheet is poor -- and I'm already disappointed on that front.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the condition was hand-picked, but I can't say that for certain....

I would like to see JUST these claiming levels though:
NW1/8CL
NW2/10CL
NW3/12CL
NW4/15CL
20-25000CLHCP (3-4YO)

And note -- these would be restricted to 4YO and under.  The "career" NW horses, IMO, make for bad races.

Lower NW3/4CL classes could be written as well, but personally, I don't want the trash from NW3/7CL filling out the card.  They can either make the step up to running against slightly better (those that drop now, because of the larger tag), or they can head to Raceway/Northville/etc.

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« Reply #36 on: November 13, 2005, 04:37:59 PM »

Joe,

You've undoubtedly got some points which I never questioned to begin with -- however, without some semblance of truth, I'm not going to completely hang someone.  (although it surely does look bad)

At the same time, however, with the stakes season closing, the NW3/4 class becomes easier, and the NW4/20CL becomes unnecessary because many of those horses can transfer to the straights and be competitive.  They did remain with the NW4/12CL, which was a departure from the past, and a welcome sight.

You don't have to convince me that the condition sheet is poor -- and I'm already disappointed on that front.  I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the condition was hand-picked, but I can't say that for certain....

I would like to see JUST these claiming levels though:
NW1/8CL
NW2/10CL
NW3/12CL
NW4/15CL
20-25000CLHCP (3-4YO)

And note -- these would be restricted to 4YO and under.  The "career" NW horses, IMO, make for bad races.

Lower NW3/4CL classes could be written as well, but personally, I don't want the trash from NW3/7CL filling out the card.  They can either make the step up to running against slightly better (those that drop now, because of the larger tag), or they can head to Raceway/Northville/etc.

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Edward:

You missed the entire point of my post. I was responding to the mysterious nw4 races to be claimed for 20K. Remember? I think Dan and I were trying to convince Tom and you about how crooked Doc is and how slanted he writes that condition sheet to accommodate Langley/Johnston owned horses. Do you see it now?

As far as the conditional claimers being written per your post, I agree 100% with you on that. A while ago when Phil Langley was race secretary, I had him convinced into writing nws claiming handicapped races. He thought my idea was a good one but it probably conflicted with his corruption, so he skipped it. If I had my way as far as conditional claimers, here is what it would look like.

NW1/7-10 claiming handicap
NW2/8-12 claiming handicap
NW3/10-15 claiming handicap
NW4/12-17 claiming handicap
NW5-6/15-20 claiming handicap
20,000-30,000 claiming handicap (3-5 yr. olds)

I think you would see more competitive racing and allow a guy to classify his young horse without having to chance losing money via the claiming game. At least an owner would put their horse in, say a NW2 to be claimed for 12K without getting killed if the horse got claimed. Just my opinion, and as I said before, Langley thought this was a great idea but it probably conflicted with his way of writing corrupt races for his own horses so he canned the idea.

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« Reply #37 on: November 13, 2005, 04:53:01 PM »

Edward:

You missed the entire point of my post. I was responding to the mysterious nw4 races to be claimed for 20K. Remember? I think Dan and I were trying to convince Tom and you about how crooked Doc is and how slanted he writes that condition sheet to accommodate Langley/Johnston owned horses. Do you see it now?

As far as the conditional claimers being written per your post, I agree 100% with you on that. A while ago when Phil Langley was race secretary, I had him convinced into writing nws claiming handicapped races. He thought my idea was a good one but it probably conflicted with his corruption, so he skipped it. If I had my way as far as conditional claimers, here is what it would look like.

NW1/7-10 claiming handicap
NW2/8-12 claiming handicap
NW3/10-15 claiming handicap
NW4/12-17 claiming handicap
NW5-6/15-20 claiming handicap
20,000-30,000 claiming handicap (3-5 yr. olds)

I think you would see more competitive racing and allow a guy to classify his young horse without having to chance losing money via the claiming game. At least an owner would put their horse in, say a NW2 to be claimed for 12K without getting killed if the horse got claimed. Just my opinion, and as I said before, Langley thought this was a great idea but it probably conflicted with his way of writing corrupt races for his own horses so he canned the idea.

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Definitely like the idea for the claiming handicaps.

It's just a shame that the people in IL raise a yearling...and then, he better be able to either go in 1:52-3-4, or go in for a $9,000 after allowances tag.  You wonder how much they think about these things...

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« Reply #38 on: November 13, 2005, 04:58:08 PM »

Definitely like the idea for the claiming handicaps.

It's just a shame that the people in IL raise a yearling...and then, he better be able to either go in 1:52-3-4, or go in for a $9,000 after allowances tag.  You wonder how much they think about these things...

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Edward:

Again, I agree. Like I said, I thought my nw claiming handicap was a pretty good idea but maybe because Doc or Langley did not think of it themselves, they shitcanned it. Because of the fact that you stated, a guy raising a yearling and having to go in 52, is one of the main reasons you see noncompetitive racing and over classification. Just my opinion.

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« Reply #39 on: November 13, 2005, 05:01:22 PM »

Edward:

Again, I agree. Like I said, I thought my nw claiming handicap was a pretty good idea but maybe because Doc or Langley did not think of it themselves, they shitcanned it. Because of the fact that you stated, a guy raising a yearling and having to go in 52, is one of the main reasons you see noncompetitive racing and over classification. Just my opinion.

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It's a correct opinion, Joe.

What are you supposed to do?  Buy it for $7k, pay $10k to break/raise, another $5k in training -- and then put it in for 6000 because it can't go with Odds On Somethingorother?  Terrible.

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« Reply #40 on: November 14, 2005, 12:40:27 AM »



THOSE COND CLAIMING RACES ARE FOR THE BIRDS...VERY INCONSISTANT..TRY TO SKIP THEM IF I CAN
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« Reply #41 on: November 14, 2005, 01:00:51 PM »

Hey, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Hawthorne change their condition sheet this summer in a number
of races. I believe they went to straight nw of a pari-mutuel race in their non-winners of races classes which hasn't been written in Chicago as long as I can remember. Didn't they also graduate their nw/claiming races with nw1/6000, nw2/6500, nw3/7000, nw4/7500, nw 5/8000, etc. They also went with double claiming allowances which is done in virtually every racing jurisdiction outside Chicago. My trainer told me Doc was really pissed off at Hawthorne for screwing around with "his" condition sheet. Can anyone verify this?
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