Midwest Thoroughbreds to use Hawthorne as training track

[Chris Szulc]

Midwest Thoroughbreds is leasing Hawthorne's facilities to use during the Arlington meet as a training track. About 150~ will be in training there.

[Chartwell]

That's one way to avoid the stall shortage.

[honest & balanced terry]

That's one way to avoid the stall shortage.

Maybe they can sub-lease some stalls to FCC.

[DaPaver]

2011 Midwest had 85 starts at Arlington , whats your guess for 2012?

[UncleEddiesPal]

Chief Paver or Jimmy-
I am guessing 107 starts

[DaPaver]

U E P Sky say's Hi !

[Chartwell]

At least 140 starts.

[Scav]

Ill believe it when it happens, at 5$ per day per stall thats way hefty just to train there

Its all cause ole Roger hates training on poly

[Chris Szulc]

2011 Midwest had 85 starts at Arlington , whats your guess for 2012?

90 racing days. Guessing average 2.5 starts per day. 225 total starts in 2012.

[honest & balanced terry]

Won't all their poor horses catch cancer from the smelly air?

[APCD Dan]

Won't all their poor horses catch cancer from the smelly air?

Terry likes to take a comment and run with it and run with it, on and on.  This topic, on another thread, has been brought up and debated thoroughly.  Time to go West, old man!

[DaPaver]

Chris based upon your number of starts and the current winning percentage 30% that's about 66 wins for the meet , those are FCC meet numbers, It's a tough call, I would rather see those numbers spread over a couple of  other owners trainers etc etc

[The Turf Monster]

With increased purses is going to come increased attention.  The local horsemen wanted higher purses, now they're going to have to deal with the competition to get them. 

[honest & balanced terry]

Terry likes to take a comment and run with it and run with it, on and on.  This topic, on another thread, has been brought up and debated thoroughly.  Time to go West, old man!

Man, you are just obsessed by whatever I post, aren't you.

[Chris Szulc]

Chris based upon your number of starts and the current winning percentage 30% that's about 66 wins for the meet , those are FCC meet numbers, It's a tough call, I would rather see those numbers spread over a couple of  other owners trainers etc etc

Me too, but I hear they are probably going to have the highest number of starts at AP than any other owner. With 150~ horses at Hawthorne, 225 starts shouldn't be too hard to do. (And yes I know they will be sending to other area tracks too, Indiana/CD, etc...)

[Scav]

Me too, but I hear they are probably going to have the highest number of starts at AP than any other owner. With 150~ horses at Hawthorne, 225 starts shouldn't be too hard to do. (And yes I know they will be sending to other area tracks too, Indiana/CD, etc...)

Its highly doubtful they are going to do the Hawthorne thing, it just isn't realistic at a $5 per stall dayrate. They are going to be spending $750 per day, or $23k a month just for a training center, that isn't going to happen. It just isn't, they already operate on a razor thin margin, adding an additional 23k just doesn't work.

They will just continue to train all of the horses on the training track and deal with it, like everyone else. He is just sore because he hasn't figured out how to train on poly. If you train on it every day, your horses get insanely body sore. Our trainer maybe goes to the big track about twice a week.

[Chris Szulc]

Its highly doubtful they are going to do the Hawthorne thing, it just isn't realistic at a $5 per stall dayrate. They are going to be spending $750 per day, or $23k a month just for a training center, that isn't going to happen. It just isn't, they already operate on a razor thin margin, adding an additional 23k just doesn't work.

They will just continue to train all of the horses on the training track and deal with it, like everyone else. He is just sore because he hasn't figured out how to train on poly. If you train on it every day, your horses get insanely body sore. Our trainer maybe goes to the big track about twice a week.

Jim Miller's words that they already are going to. What they are actually paying, who knows.

I think the other reason, maybe overshadowing the training on poly issues, is the fact that they want to have 150 horses up here. Remember AP is supposedly not giving more than 60 to any one trainer. That along with the dirt track (and turf use) may be making it all worthwhile for them.

[APCD Dan]

Man, you are just obsessed by whatever I post, aren't you.

Yes, whenever my name keeps coming up in various posts of yours.  Must be a mutual admiration society.

[honest & balanced terry]

Yes, whenever my name keeps coming up in various posts of yours.  Must be a mutual admiration society.

How about, your name came up AFTER you started with the "Typical Terry pivot" comment.  

And, by the way, if you're going to gratuitously call ME old man, what does that make you?

[HarnessFanDE]

Maybe Im missing something.....but $5 a day stall rent seems dirt cheap......On the East Coast at a good training center we pay $300-$350 a month for stall rent

[Scav]

Jim Miller's words that they already are going to. What they are actually paying, who knows.

I think the other reason, maybe overshadowing the training on poly issues, is the fact that they want to have 150 horses up here. Remember AP is supposedly not giving more than 60 to any one trainer. That along with the dirt track (and turf use) may be making it all worthwhile for them.

Ever since Polytrack got here the yearly April rumor was that they would keep it open. And them having 150 horses here is a major major operation. That is 30 grooms, maybe 20-25 exercise riders, probably 15-20 hot walkers. Not to mention that if the track opens at 6am, and stays open until 10:30. 30 minute harrow break, and lets say 120 of them go to the track in a morning, thats 30 horses per hour to the track.

In Calabrese's hayday he never had half that here in horse flesh. I really think its all crap and just some hilarious ploy to tickle Mr. D about the poly.

[Thomas Graham]

Well it looks as though it's true:

Midwest Thoroughbreds to use Hawthorne as training center
By Marcus Hersh
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Midwest Thoroughbreds, the nation’s leading owner in 2011, will lease two barns at Hawthorne Race Course this summer and use the track as a training center for about 100 horses.

Rich Papiese, who operates Midwest with his wife, Karen, said the Hawthorne string would include 30 to 40 2-year-olds who will be moved north from Midwest’s farm and training facility in Florida. The entire string will be overseen by Roger Brueggemann, one of several trainers – including Jamie Ness – employed by Midwest.

Midwest also has been allotted stalls at Arlington, but will keep the bulk of its Chicago-based horses at Hawthorne for the summer. Arlington’s racing surface is Polytrack while Hawthorne has a dirt track.

Papiese said the decision to train at Hawthorne doesn’t mean Midwest will de-emphasize the Arlington meet.

“We still plan to start more horses at Arlington than anyone,” he said.

Midwest and Hawthorne reached an agreement after a proposal to open Hawthorne for general summer training fell through.

“We were looking for the barn area to be open to everyone, and that didn’t work out,” Hawthorne assistant general manager Jim Miller said.

[Chris Szulc]

Well it looks as though it's true:

Was just going to post this. Thanks.

[Scav]

Was just going to post this. Thanks.

Listen, this Papiese guy has more money then God, so nothing is that surprising. I was wrong and I personally think its a really dumb move and a huge waste of money, and its a very interesting handicapping angle to keep an eye on the first week of racing.

[Chris Szulc]

Papiese is a pretty savvy guy and runs a great operation - I'm pretty sure he ran through quite a few scenarios to show this made good business sense. They aren't the nation's winningest owner for no reason.

It's a win-win situation -- Midwest gets their own dirt/turf training tracks, everyone centrally located at the same place, enough stalls etc. Hawthorne gets needed revenue over their dark period and keeps a few people employed.