Hero of Order

[jrstark]

Another horse who has run in Chicago is headed for the Kentucky Derby, he takes the Louisiana Derby and pays $220.80.

[Lusty Tar Heel]

Not so fast

Hero Of Order was not nominated, only way he gets in is if less than 24 horses enter, and the connections put up 200k

[Chris Szulc]

and its our good friend Dorochenko! He says he's going but I hear the same thing that Lusty Tar Heel is saying... Dorochenko will put up the cash but no way he gets in....right?

[Lusty Tar Heel]

LETS HOPE NOT Chris

[Chris Szulc]

Dorochenko after the race:

 “You see, I bought not expensive horses but I make these horses expensive.”

[APCD Dan]

This is a funny story.  This guy buys a bunch of late round Keeneland horses, thumbs his nose at American training practices, races his horses into condition, does not really mix that much with his fellow trackmen, runs in a lot of races, wins few, and then takes down a big million dollar Kentucky Derby prep race.

I think I read last summer that he has sort of a controversial non-racing legal history in the states, too.  It appears that he is bankrolled by some Russian high rollers.  His only other stakes win I believe was a small stakes on Million Day at Arlington.  I love it when somebody sticks it to the bluebloods of racing, especially a character like this guy.

I don't think the Kentucky Derby winner is coming out of the Louisiana Derby this year.

[Trainer Rusty]

Are these owners goofballs or new to the game?   They could have put up $600 and now have to put up $200,000.   They have to be new to the game.

[hungry]

They would be silly to send this horse to KY. The track bias won him the race, its not like this is a good horse or anything. He's decent enough and he's won a million dollar race, but them sending him to KY is suicide. He wll be beaten 50 lengths at 99-1 real odds (45-1 in Derby odds) and the horse could be ruined for life.

PLEASE DONT CHASE WATERFALLS STICK TO THE RIVERS AND THE LAKES THAT YOU'RE USED TO!

[Marcus Hersh]

The track bias won him the race,

Fair Grounds main track was not biased Sunday. Or Saturday. Thursday and Friday, yes, but not this weekend.

I think Dorochenko's habit of over-racing his horses paid off - HOO was more fit to stay the 9fs than anyone else in a middling group.

[hungry]

Fair Grounds main track was not biased Sunday. Or Saturday. Thursday and Friday, yes, but not this weekend.

I think Dorochenko's habit of over-racing his horses paid off - HOO was more fit to stay the 9fs than anyone else in a middling group.

Inside speed bias supreme. Didnt see any horses flying down the center of the center of the track, did you?

[Marcus Hersh]

Inside speed bias supreme. Didnt see any horses flying down the center of the center of the track, did you?

Actually yes - three closers won.
 
Listen, the track has been tough on deep closers all meet, and it took a superior horse to rally wide and late Sunday. But believe me - the surface was not inside-speed biased Sat and Sun the way it was Thurs and Friday and on many other days this meet.

But go ahead and believe what you want. I just was trying to correct the record for less hard-headed folk.

[HarnessFanDE]

There were quite a few wide winners Sunday.....The 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 6th and 12th to name a few.....The horse wasnt on the lead or the rail......I was really impressed (as much as you could be impressed in a bad group) with Cigar Street......I thought he raced well for only making his 3rd start and has room for serious improvement

[tapetea]

HERO OF ORDER is world class. The purse was a million dollars. 

But seriously, HERO OF ORDER had a 7 Thoro-Graph top going in, and if the Beyer is correct, he improved to a 4. He will need better than that to win the Derby. A doubtful scenario based on his overall body of work.

[tapetea]

Re: 90 Beyer

Slowest Louisiana Derby ever. 

Meanwhile, NATES MINESHAFT somehow improved ~10 lengths, off his previous form, to win the New Orleans Handicap [113]. 

[tapetea]

Meanwhile, NATES MINESHAFT somehow improved ~10 lengths, off his previous form, to win the New Orleans Handicap [113]. 

Also set a new track record. 

Must have been the breeding. His daddy won the same race with a 116 Beyer.

[hungry]

Actually yes - three closers won.
 
Listen, the track has been tough on deep closers all meet, and it took a superior horse to rally wide and late Sunday. But believe me - the surface was not inside-speed biased Sat and Sun the way it was Thurs and Friday and on many other days this meet.

But go ahead and believe what you want. I just was trying to correct the record for less hard-headed folk.

Nate's Mineshaft is not 9 lengths better than MIzzion Impassable, but somehow he beat him by a mile? That's gotta mean something. If there was no bias, a few horses would have swept up and the La Derby would have finished differently. The winner was staggering late and yet, nobody was able to pass him...to me, that screams bias.

The 'closer' that won was that Al Stall horse who was an odds on favorite and towered over his rivals, yet, he still struggled along and won by a neck.

If you dont think that there was any bias, you go ahead and bet back the Nates mineshaft at Churchill (or whereever else he shows up) and you can bet back the La Derby winner and you can bet back that maiden who won the final race with the .05 pct jock, those horses were all 'impressive' if you believe there was no bias.

[tapetea]

If you dont think that there was any bias, you go ahead and bet back the Nates mineshaft at Churchill (or whereever else he shows up) and you can bet back the La Derby winner and you can bet back that maiden who won the final race with the .05 pct jock, those horses were all 'impressive' if you believe there was no bias.

Who said HERO OF ORDER was impressive? He did run a new top, but the only think impressive about his victory was the mutuel price.

Yeah, NATES MINESHAFT was impressive, but that doesn't mean Marcus will be betting on him just because he didn't think the track was biased.

Again, too much emphasis put on the most recent start.

[hungry]

Who said HERO OF ORDER was impressive? He did run a new top, but the only think impressive about his victory was the mutuel price.

Yeah, NATES MINESHAFT was impressive, but that doesn't mean Marcus will be betting on him just because he didn't think the track was biased.

Again, too much emphasis put on the most recent start.

If the track was not biased, than hero of honor was impressive for holding off the horses who were on the 'better part of the track'. I dont know if the FG races were the most biased i've seen in the history of the sport, but just from my eye, it was REALLY hard to gain ground in the stretch. In the Nates Mineshaft race, those were top quality horses and they all disappeared from the tv screen as it looked like an allowance horse vs a bunch of 5k claimers. Where were the horses? Where was the 'big stretch battle' with a bunch of evenly matched horses? They turned for home and the 2 horses on the inside lanes and near the lead ran off the screen, how's that possible on an 'even' track?

[clockerbob]

Show me one genius here in America who buys a horse for $3,000 who wins $1 million race."

[HorseVoice]

Show me one genius here in America who buys a horse for $3,000 who wins $1 million race."

The Green Monkey cost 16 million dollars.

[jrstark]

Show me one genius here in America who buys a horse for $3,000 who wins $1 million race."

http://www.drf.com/news/arlington-trainer-dorochenko-two-decade-overnight-success

[Marcus Hersh]

If the track was not biased, than hero of honor was impressive for holding off the horses who were on the 'better part of the track'. I dont know if the FG races were the most biased i've seen in the history of the sport, but just from my eye, it was REALLY hard to gain ground in the stretch. In the Nates Mineshaft race, those were top quality horses and they all disappeared from the tv screen as it looked like an allowance horse vs a bunch of 5k claimers. Where were the horses? Where was the 'big stretch battle' with a bunch of evenly matched horses? They turned for home and the 2 horses on the inside lanes and near the lead ran off the screen, how's that possible on an 'even' track?

Whatever - believe what you want to believe.

[HarnessFanDE]

http://www.drf.com/news/arlington-trainer-dorochenko-two-decade-overnight-success

Something doesn't add up in this story.....I remember when the guy came to Delaware that one year......It wasn't pretty

[honest & balanced terry]

Whatever - believe what you want to believe.

Exactly. Who makes the "official" decision of whether a track was biased or not? Pretty much up to the individual observer to decide for himself and then use whatever knowledge he thinks he has going forward, isn't it?

There were some pretty long prices on wire horses and up close runners on Saturday, which sort of led me to think the track was playing a little more kindly to speed horses than my impression of how it played in the past, and based on the prices surprised a number of bettors, but was it "bias"? I sure wasn't bright enough to act on that observation on Sunday.

[hungry]

Whatever - believe what you want to believe.

Why not answer the question? No need to get all disappointed because i didnt agree with you. How about explaining what happened to all the horses in the race where Nate's Mineshaft won? Where'd they all go?