Gulfstream Turf Course NumPers

[Yimmy]

Some maiden special just finished a mile with a final quarter (by Trakus) in 21.97.

Are the distances there measured... correctly?

[honest & balanced terry]

Some maiden special just finished a mile with a final quarter (by Trakus) in 21.97.

Are the distances there measured... correctly?

The horses there are really good.

[Yimmy]

I guess I've been away for too long... when I was at Aquamont and Belmeduct every day, anyone who broke :24 was a superstar.  Yet comes today one Wheres The Baby, a lifetime turf ofer (0/9)... who flies home in, yes, 21.97.

?? 

[faster horses]

I've definitely seen Trakus vary from the official splits, sometimes significantly.  I wouldn't be shocked if there were an error.

[honest & balanced terry]

I guess I've been away for too long... when I was at Aquamont and Belmeduct every day, anyone who broke :24 was a superstar.  Yet comes today one Wheres The Baby, a lifetime turf ofer (0/9)... who flies home in, yes, 21.97.

?? 

Horses are so much better now than back then in 1959. In fact, the TG numpers prove it.

[Yimmy]

Yeah... still getting used to these here newfangled "automobile" thingies.  Apparently they also have something you can speak into and have a conversation with someone a long distance away. 

[tapetea]

Some maiden special just finished a mile with a final quarter (by Trakus) in 21.97.

Are the distances there measured... correctly?

Trakus officials acknowledge that they have encountered problems in the one-mile races at Gulfstream.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/new-racing-technology-could-offer-vast-amounts-of-data-to-handicappers/2012/02/08/gIQATex0zQ_story_1.html

[Yimmy]

Good catch, ta-pete-a.  Thank you... it explains a lot.

[HorseVoice]

Horses are so much better now than back then in 1959. In fact, the TG numpers prove it.

Why inject TG into a discussion strictly about Trakus? Trolling again? 

[Yimmy]

The final fractions of that race using the Gulfie "official" times are just as outrageous... same 22-second final quarter for a couple of the steeds involved.

Are they using the Trakus numpers as the official times? Woodbine (harness) has Trakus, but they *don't* use the Trakus numpers as the official times, and in fact in many instances there, the Trakus figures appear to be more accurate.

I realize the GP turf course is wildly fast.  But even so, this result is anomalous.  Either that or this is the key race to beat all key races, and all the fallout will go on to notch G1 toif wins in the summer.  I sincerely doubt it.

[JoeMama]

Horses are so much better now than back then in 1959. In fact, the TG numpers prove it.

Haha, 1959 was a good year.

[Yimmy]

A decade of great presidents... what were the TG figs for Ike and Truman?

[honest & balanced terry]

Why inject TG into a discussion strictly about Trakus? Trolling again? 

Why bite on it, if you feel that's all it is? 

[honest & balanced terry]

A decade of great presidents... what were the TG figs for Ike and Truman?

I think their tops were in the 7's, while Presidents now routinely turn in -3's. And it's because the Presidents now are just so much better, not because of any long-term self-fulfilling goofiness creeping into the numpers themselves. 

[Yimmy]

I think Ragozin's Ike figs would've been off. But, yeah, the horses now are much, much better... Secretariat would never have made it out of NW2-other-than in today's climate.   

 

[HorseVoice]

Why bite on it, if you feel that's all it is? 

Because of your penchant for pointing out when others are trolling -- as if somehow your linens aren't also soiled.

[HorseVoice]

I think their tops were in the 7's, while Presidents now routinely turn in -3's. And it's because the Presidents now are just so much better, not because of any long-term self-fulfilling goofiness creeping into the numpers themselves. 

How would you know? You don't handicap squat anymore -- you just supply windy oratory.

[Yimmy]

I like you both.  What say you about these eye-popping closing fractions in a Md Sp race, HV?

[honest & balanced terry]

How would you know? You don't handicap squat anymore -- you just supply windy oratory.

I handicap plenty. Not as much as I once did, but still quite often. I also read the spew that comes out of some various numpers camps about how horses are faster than ever, as conveniently proved by their numpers, which is what this particular "discussion" is really about, despite your feeble attempt to derail it into some meta-discussion about me. But what on earth is this huge boner you've developed recently about how often I handicap, or play the horses, or where I do it? Some sort of sick obsession?

[Yimmy]

Distressingly, flame wars seem more literate here than on the trottin' side.  What ever happened to those old reliable double-digit-IQ standbys like "your a fag," "your a bashor" and of course, "your jelious?"    

[honest & balanced terry]

Because of your penchant for pointing out when others are trolling -- as if somehow your linens aren't also soiled.

Conscious "trolling" would indicate one was intentionally attempting to elicit a response. I can honestly say I was doing no such thing - simply making a snide comment about a common target of mine. Now, if you simply MUST jump up and wave your arms to try and bully anyone who makes such comments into silence, well, that's your weakness, isn't it. I think we can all see quite clearly that absolutely no one else on the forum feels compelled to react in that manner.

[honest & balanced terry]

Distressingly, flame wars seem more literate here than on the trottin' side.  What ever happened to those old reliable double-digit-IQ standbys like "your a fag," "your a bashor" and of course, "your jelious?"    

We used to have that, but the practitioners didn't like having their excesses moderated, so took their act over to the HP tbreds forum. JF, chitownsteve, suedehead/robertv, hawkeye fan/hockeydad, mel4600, and others ... lots of the the formerly overly-colorful posters here, now there.

[honest & balanced terry]

Damn! I just noticed we finally got that sarcasm alert !   

Pretend that was up above in the mention of TG that so offended you, HV.

[JoeMama]

The horses there are really good.

I guess I was the only one who thought this was funny.

[HorseVoice]

I also read the spew that comes out of some various numpers camps about how horses are faster than ever, as conveniently proved by their numpers, which is what this particular "discussion" is really about, despite your feeble attempt to derail it into some meta-discussion about me.

You are SO full of shit that you are actually starting to believe what you write!
 
Here is the initial entry of this thread:

Some maiden special just finished a mile with a final quarter (by Trakus) in 21.97.

Are the distances there measured... correctly?

Exactly HOW does this translate into so-called "spew" from "various numbers camps" about racehorses getting faster? An electronic timing system's numbers are in question -- that's what this thread is about. No more, no less.
 

But what on earth is this huge boner you've developed recently about how often I handicap, or play the horses, or where I do it?

It's taken me awhile to put it all together, but I'm now convinced that you are more of an ex-handicapper and an ex-horseplayer than anything else these days.

I have to give you credit for maintaining the facade that you are still an active horseplayer -- you had me fairly well fooled, for a few years there -- and I'm usually pretty good at sniffing out pure BS.

It was no one thing that gave you away, although one of the last go-rounds about TG products should have rung the bell loud and clear for me and anyone else that was paying attention to the exchanges -- and perhaps no one else was -- but it was there in plain sight: you were 100% convinced that TG isn't worth what they charge, but when asked you couldn't name a single improvement they've made to the product over the last 10 years, in spite of your claim that you have "numerous friends" who use TG -- what, not ONE of these guys ever said, "Hey Terry -- look at this improved trained data...new Thoro-Pattern stuff...improved breeding data...Race Shapes"?

Nothing. Some "friends".

A second dead-giveaway: you write about almost everything racing-related under the sun -- except any actual races you saw or gambled on!. Folks that are gambling here write all the time about their "bad beat in the 6th", or a photo that either went their way, or didn't, but you? You regurgitate links to stories that you saw on the 'net when you are plaling "catch-up" on horse racing stories and issues. Nothing even quasi-real time, that would indicate that you wanted to express an opinion about a race you actually SAW, or bet actual money on.

How is that? You are Terry The Teletype Machine about everything else in racing, but when it comes to the actual live product (or simulcast -- whatever) that folks gamble on, you are suddenly "Tight-Lips Terry".

There were other clues, but I've written enough to support the idea that you are now little more than "Terry The Theorist", g. handicappus emeritus / horseplayus extinctus. Which is just fine -- so long as you stop trying to pass yourself off as an "in the know" everyday handicapper and bettor, which is naturally going to exclude you from several threads you haven't been able to stay away from.