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« Reply #25 on: January 04, 2012, 02:40:18 PM »

dont take this the wrong way because i love hawthorne ....but...

it isnt very nice  grandstand wise...and the idea to close the clubhouse is a friggin joke...players like
to sit in the clubhouse...not the grandstand with all the  riff-raff..
and the walk from cicero ave to the door for all us old men is another friggin joke..
also the parking lot is like driving on the moon..full of craters and holes..
spend some f***ing money and pave the parking lot and OPEN THE CLUBHOUSE UP AGAIN
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« Reply #26 on: January 04, 2012, 02:40:22 PM »

More misinformed hyperbole.

I haven't been on the backside for awhile, so I can't comment on that, but the physical plant is in just about the best shape I've ever seen in 25 years of attending Chicago racing.

Calling the Hawthorne plant "decrepit" is simply a flat-out LIE. It's clean, well-lighted, and well-maintained.

I dare poster "nmslim" to provide SPECIFIC examples of issues at Hawthorne that could be described as "decrepit" -- this is an Official Barn To Wire BULLSHIT Call.

The older barns on the backside are pretty decrepit. The air conditioning in the main plant is decrepit, as we were reminded at the beginning of the meet. The escalators are kind of decrepit. The ceiling tiles are decrepit. Some of the tables and chairs are decrepit. The front facade of the place (facing the track) is decrepit.

Now, that said, it's a ~35 year old facility serving an Illinois industry that's contracted 40% (by Illinois-based handle) over the past 15 or so years, so what does one really expect?  

And P.S. the self-serve wagering machines are REALLY decrepit.
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« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2012, 02:43:02 PM »

its really a dump...with nothing but 70 and 80 year old men there   RIP

let it burn completely down this time and rebuilt a nice place
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« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2012, 02:45:48 PM »

its really a dump...with nothing but 70 and 80 year old men there   RIP

People who characterize Hawthorne as a total dump really haven't visited that many racetracks across the country, is my guess.
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« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2012, 02:50:34 PM »

dont take this the wrong way because i love hawthorne ....but...

it isnt very nice  grandstand wise...and the idea to close the clubhouse is a friggin joke...players like
to sit in the clubhouse...not the grandstand with all the  riff-raff..
and the walk from cicero ave to the door for all us old men is another friggin joke..
also the parking lot is like driving on the moon..full of craters and holes..
spend some f***ing money and pave the parking lot and OPEN THE CLUBHOUSE UP AGAIN

Wait...if you walk from Cicero Ave, why does driving through the parking lot bother you? Sounds like you are making shit up.

The parking lot has been repaved and there is a shuttle bus that has been running from Cicero to the main entrance for, like, what, 10 years?

When was the *last* time you were there, Rip Van Winkle?

You can forget about opening the clubhouse ever again unless they get a casino -- why heat space for 25,000 people when there are only a couple thousand on hand for the busiest days? You wouldn't do it if you had to pay for the heat and light, and neither do they.
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« Reply #30 on: January 04, 2012, 02:58:05 PM »

Wait...if you walk from Cicero Ave, why does driving through the parking lot bother you? Sounds like you are making shit up.

The parking lot has been repaved and there is a shuttle bus that has been running from Cicero to the main entrance for, like, what, 10 years?

When was the *last* time you were there, Rip Van Winkle?

You can forget about opening the clubhouse ever again unless they get a casino -- why heat space for 25,000 people when there are only a couple thousand on hand for the busiest days? You wouldn't do it if you had to pay for the heat and light, and neither do they.

hey goof if the place is crowded i park my car NEAR cicero ave  and walk the length of a football field to get to the door..
sometimes the bus is NO WHERE IN SITE so i start walking..the parking lot F****ING BLOWS--ITS FULL OF HOLES
as for the clubhouse...close down the  f****ing grandstand and only use the CLUBHOUSE..it is actually smaller than the grandstand
and would save on heat..also the clubhouse is nicer than the grandstand
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« Reply #31 on: January 04, 2012, 03:01:53 PM »

The older barns on the backside are pretty decrepit. The air conditioning in the main plant is decrepit, as we were reminded at the beginning of the meet. The escalators are kind of decrepit. The ceiling tiles are decrepit. Some of the tables and chairs are decrepit. The front facade of the place (facing the track) is decrepit.

Now, that said, it's a ~35 year old facility serving an Illinois industry that's contracted 40% (by Illinois-based handle) over the past 15 or so years, so what does one really expect?  

And P.S. the self-serve wagering machines are REALLY decrepit.

As I said, I dunno about the barns. A/C was a problem, yes, and is supposedly fixed now. The rest of the complaints about things Hawthorne controls -- calling them "decrepit" -- is semantics. The escalators work fine -- what, do the ones at AP emit "That New Car Smell" or something. And seriously -- who looks at the fvcking ceiling tiles?

The situation with the SAM's is unfortunate. That is outsourced to Autotote (SGI) on a long-term basis, with extremely weak Service Level Agreements -- so weak that no matter how bad any one machine or any group of machines perform, Autotote will still meet their end of the SLA's. I know who negotiated that deal, and I'd like to break my foot off in his ass.

But the bottom line is, yes, the SAM's are decrepit, so you got me on that one. Just wish that you'd have let "nmslim" come up with it -- my guess is he hasn't been there in eons and couldn't accurately describe what is happening at Hawthorne in the present.
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« Reply #32 on: January 04, 2012, 03:05:15 PM »

Wait...if you walk from Cicero Ave, why does driving through the parking lot bother you? Sounds like you are making shit up.

Bumpy ride on the bus?

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The parking lot has been repaved and there is a shuttle bus that has been running from Cicero to the main entrance for, like, what, 10 years?

Hawthorne should totally reconfigure the track and relocate the stands down to the Cicero end to make his walk shorter. And pay the Village of Cicero to put a stop light there to accommodate the 80 guys a day who arrive by bus. Maybe pay an off duty cop to stopping traffic for him, like Spt used to do on the other side.

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You can forget about opening the clubhouse ever again unless they get a casino -- why heat space for 25,000 people when there are only a couple thousand on hand for the busiest days? You wouldn't do it if you had to pay for the heat and light, and neither do they.

Plus, it would take a good deal of money to make it habitable again for anything other than swap meets. That clubhouse side was REALLY decrepit thanks to all the clowns who used to just toss their cigs on the white floor covering and burned all those brown spots into it, and the carpet on the various stairways up from 1st was totally threadbare, among other things. I didn't like having it closed, either, but it was to the point where it was going to require a major investment, and let's face it, if you think back on how busy that side was in the mid-90's to where it was when they finally consolidated everything on GS side, it couldn't have been financially feasible.
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« Reply #33 on: January 04, 2012, 03:07:21 PM »

Bumpy ride on the bus?

Hawthorne should totally reconfigure the track and relocate the stands down to the Cicero end to make his walk shorter. And pay the Village of Cicero to put a stop light there to accommodate the 80 guys a day who arrive by bus. Maybe pay an off duty cop to stopping traffic for him, like Spt used to do on the other side.

Plus, it would take a good deal of money to make it habitable again for anything other than swap meets. That clubhouse side was REALLY decrepit thanks to all the clowns who used to just toss their cigs on the white floor covering and burned all those brown spots into it, and the carpet on the various stairways up from 1st was totally threadbare, among other things. I didn't like having it closed, either, but it was to the point where it was going to require a major investment, and let's face it, if you think back on how busy that side was in the mid-90's to where it was when they finally consolidated everything on GS side, it couldn't have been financially feasible.

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« Reply #34 on: January 04, 2012, 03:15:32 PM »

hey goof if the place is crowded i park my car NEAR cicero ave  and walk the length of a football field to get to the door..
sometimes the bus is NO WHERE IN SITE so i start walking..the parking lot F****ING BLOWS--ITS FULL OF HOLES

You're talking out of your ass.

If you park "near Cicero", then you DO NOT drive the length of the parking lot and any alleged pot holes don't matter. You can't have it both ways -- I don't care if you are an old crabass.

Plus, if you do this you must be dumb, because even when the place is crowded you can move up a full city block to the back of the free parking area.

Re: "full of holes", again -- when was the last time you were there? The whole parking lot has been fixed, for over a month.

as for the clubhouse...close down the  f****ing grandstand and only use the CLUBHOUSE..it is actually smaller than the grandstand
and would save on heat..also the clubhouse is nicer than the grandstand

And do what -- permanently shut down the main entrance and the layers of external ramps?

Great. Another mope who thinks the brass at Hawthorne just flip coins, one with "race 4 days?" / "race 5 days?" on it, and another with "grandstand?" / "clubhouse?".   doh
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« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2012, 03:24:05 PM »

As I said, I dunno about the barns. A/C was a problem, yes, and is supposedly fixed now. The rest of the complaints about things Hawthorne controls -- calling them "decrepit" -- is semantics. The escalators work fine -- what, do the ones at AP emit "That New Car Smell" or something. And seriously -- who looks at the fvcking ceiling tiles?

When I used to go a lot more than I do now, some escalator or another seemed broken every other week. They didn't get new ones. As far as the ceiling tiles, they're what gives the place a lot of the "dingy" feel. You don't have to look at them closely. They're like the tiles on the support columns - they've got gotten work and stained over the years.

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The situation with the SAM's is unfortunate. That is outsourced to Autotote (SGI) on a long-term basis, with extremely weak Service Level Agreements -- so weak that no matter how bad any one machine or any group of machines perform, Autotote will still meet their end of the SLA's. I know who negotiated that deal, and I'd like to break my foot off in his ass.

I don't think it is solely up to Autotote whether or not a track gets in a new generation of hardware. I think Haw management could influence that ... IF it was deemed a good investment. Maybe some of the 3% money?

Most of the ones at Haw (and all the non-AP OTBs) are extremely old. Old stuff wears out, it's as simple as that, particularly when 10,000 stoopers have run 100,000,000 dirty grimy tickets from the floor through them. And there ARE those few nice new ones down by the 1st floor bar, so we know they exist. (Plus many newer models exist at other tracks.)

As far as Autotote (and mutuels) I find those guys pretty responsive when I do need their help. Unfortunately, I know just have to avoid a certain set of clunky old machines that they apparently can't fix - ones that won't read my Club Haw card, or won't read any but the perfect ticket, or when it does print a ticket it's unreadable at any other machine, or is eating everyone's tickets, or whatever. But it's not like I have to stand in line much for the good ones anyhow. It's just kind of irritating whenever one of those old machines pooches me, but you know what, I've also had trouble with the Amtote machines at AP, and United Tote machines at Lone Star, and have even heard tell of difficulties using some online wagering apps, so there ya go.

I do give Haw credit for bringing in an extremely good set of new TV's.
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« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2012, 03:25:07 PM »

thank you Mr..  know-it-all

Always glad to accommodate someone complaining about how far they have to walk from the bus stop.  thumbs up
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« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2012, 03:30:27 PM »

If you park "near Cicero", then you DO NOT drive the length of the parking lot and any alleged pot holes don't matter.

Maybe he is talking about that brutal walk from the four rows of free parking that get used in the Cicero side lot, past the empty preferred lot and the half empty horsemen's lot. I agree that can take up to two minutes, and yes, might actually be MORE than the length of a football field (300 whole feet).

Personally, I might agree with some of that - why so many rows reserved for preferred parking anymore on Cicero side?
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« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2012, 03:43:06 PM »

I don't think it is solely up to Autotote whether or not a track gets in a new generation of hardware. I think Haw management could influence that ... IF it was deemed a good investment. Maybe some of the 3% money?

Sadly, Autotote DOES control everything related to the SAMs. Totally outsourced. Terrible contract.

It gets worse: if one of the machines at the OTB's needs a part, the techs rob it from a spare Hawthorne machine to get the OTB machine up and running quickly...then try to whack the defective part with a hammer or something and try to put it back in service at Hawthorne. That (of course) is not what they are supposed to do, but as long as SGI is meeting their "can't miss" SLA's, apparently no one can say anything...and it ensures that Hawthorne itself is always getting the WORST of it, SAM-wise, from the tote company.

Nice, huh?

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« Reply #39 on: January 04, 2012, 03:45:01 PM »

And do what -- permanently shut down the main entrance and the layers of external ramps?

And honestly, clubhouse side was pretty crappy for watching live racing anyhow because it was mostly past the finish line, and in the last few years no one ever used all those boxes on 2nd floor balcony (esp. when "the wall" to the Gold Cup Room went up), and 1st floor simuls was even getting pretty deserted. So (as far as "free" areas) what's really to miss besides that nice open 3rd floor area above the boxes with the big comfy chairs, and maybe that little simulcast area tucked in the back of mezzanine? (IMHO.)

I do miss that clubhouse side entrance and the walk up the ramp past all the old timey pictures. That made you feel like you were coming into a semi-classy track.
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« Reply #40 on: January 04, 2012, 03:47:09 PM »

Sadly, Autotote DOES control everything related to the SAMs. Totally outsourced. Terrible contract.

I just don't believe that if Hawthorne really wanted a new generation of machines in there and was willing to pay the freight, they couldn't get them. Sorry, but I don't.
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« Reply #41 on: January 04, 2012, 04:03:00 PM »

I just don't believe that if Hawthorne really wanted a new generation of machines in there and was willing to pay the freight, they couldn't get them. Sorry, but I don't.

I get what you are saying...but it'll be a cold day in hell before the Carey's voluntarily eat that contract.

As a comparison, I'll bet you and I can both swing a purchase of a 7-series BMW...but it ain't happening.
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« Reply #42 on: January 04, 2012, 05:16:14 PM »

I love going to hawthorne, but there is no comparison between the two venues in town.  Last time I was at hawthorne the machine wouldnt read my tickets so the machine tech told me to fill in bar code lines with an ink pen....really?  Also, playing the national anthem before the races is nice.  It would really be nice if all the welfare dirtbags would stand up and shut up for that 2 minutes. 
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« Reply #43 on: January 04, 2012, 05:33:45 PM »

I love going to hawthorne, but there is no comparison between the two venues in town.  Last time I was at hawthorne the machine wouldnt read my tickets so the machine tech told me to fill in bar code lines with an ink pen....really?  Also, playing the national anthem before the races is nice.  It would really be nice if all the welfare dirtbags would stand up and shut up for that 2 minutes. 

How is it that one identifies who is on welfare and who isn't? Huh

And, for the record, last time I was there this past Friday, everyone where I was did stand, and did shut up.
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« Reply #44 on: January 04, 2012, 05:47:19 PM »

The same ones that asked me for a cig and then a dollar, and the other that tried to sell me a watch.  Come on dude, are you from the city?
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« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2012, 05:56:49 PM »

The same ones that asked me for a cig and then a dollar, and the other that tried to sell me a watch.  Come on dude, are you from the city?

I am...which is why they don't try that lame stuff on me. You must have "effete suburbanite" written all over you.
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« Reply #46 on: January 04, 2012, 06:02:12 PM »

The same ones that asked me for a cig and then a dollar, and the other that tried to sell me a watch.

This is the sure sign of being on welfare? And did you then observe these exact same two people not being respectful during Our Anthem? Geez I know Hawthorne is smaller than it used to be, but what are the odds you would be right there with the same guys all day long unless they were your own buddies?

How is it all these kind of things always seem to happen to guys like you, and as many times as I have been there over the years, never me? It's a puzzler.

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Nope. One whole block away.
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« Reply #47 on: January 04, 2012, 06:12:18 PM »

Nope. One whole block away.

For clarity: it's not where you're from. It's the image you project.

If you look like a victim, you might end up being one.

I'm told I always look like I'm ready to bite someone's head off, but I'm not that mean. It's probably just the permanent scowl of a lifetime Chicago South Sider. Hey, whatever gets me by.
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« Reply #48 on: January 04, 2012, 06:14:07 PM »

Who is a "guy like me".  Good God your arrogant.  Why post on here because you know everything and your always right, I know guys like you.
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« Reply #49 on: January 04, 2012, 06:16:22 PM »

Wow, pretty amazing I saw the same people more than once at hawthorne, considering the attendance of about 120
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