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Author Topic: Trackside Waukegan (Sundance Saloon)  (Read 1493 times)
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« on: December 06, 2011, 01:38:06 PM »

Does anybody know if it closed? I was on the AP Trackside site and did not see it on there. It would be a shame if it closed as it was one of the best OTBs I have ever been to.

Here is the AP page for reference.

http://www.arlingtonpark.com/trackside/locations
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« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2011, 02:13:32 PM »

It's on there for me.

Also (somewhat off topic), how old do you have to be to enter an OTB here in Illinois? As I just turned 18 today, I was wondering if it was 18 or 21? And which OTB would you all recommend?
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« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2011, 02:53:58 PM »

It's on there for me.

Also (somewhat off topic), how old do you have to be to enter an OTB here in Illinois? As I just turned 18 today, I was wondering if it was 18 or 21? And which OTB would you all recommend?

Welcome to the wonderful world of the OTB, congratulations, you are now legal and able to watch the elderly exercise their minds.  Not Arlington Trackside or McHenry.
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« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2011, 03:52:21 PM »

I thought someone mentioned previously that the new Waukegan OTB had already closed its doors, and only the old one was still open.

Found it:

So what happend? Sundance is closed and the Green Bay Road will continue. I thought the idea was to expand Sundance and close  Green Bay Road.
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« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2011, 04:43:40 PM »

It's on there for me.

Also (somewhat off topic), how old do you have to be to enter an OTB here in Illinois? As I just turned 18 today, I was wondering if it was 18 or 21? And which OTB would you all recommend?

I don't think there is any official age to enter as it is the same at AP. The Sundance one was definitely the best hands down.
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« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2011, 04:47:51 PM »

Yes Sundance is no more... atleast as an OTB. The tv's were very nice and the chairs were comfortable but that was about all. They didn't know what Horseplayers wanted and they decided to close shop with business struggling. The original is now running the solo operation in Waukegan. I'll take my laptop over any otb in Illinois. I don't
mind the Waukegan otb but I had the most frustrating experience ever there when I was 18. I walked in to get the next day's racing form and was asked to show ID to buy it. I didn't have it on me at the time and the woman refused to sell to me, I told her I wasn't placing any bets I just needed a racing form, she declined saying the racing form would help me bet. I said, "If you worked at a gas station and I came in to buy a lighter it would be the same scenario, I don't want cigarettes just a lighter. Nothing says I can't buy a Racing Form even if I wasn't 18. I realize service can be refused by any business so I didn't go any further but I was furious. There is another way this game could use future fans.
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« Reply #6 on: December 06, 2011, 08:53:07 PM »

No kids under 18 allowed in California.  But sure enough, our place let's them in.  Kind of sad when one parent brings little kids.  They can't take a day off to do something with their children?! 

And one woman brings her grandchildren teens who only giggle and yell back and forth to one another with their phones going off all day long.  Ticks me off plenty.
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« Reply #7 on: December 06, 2011, 09:49:45 PM »

Yes Sundance is no more... atleast as an OTB. The tv's were very nice and the chairs were comfortable but that was about all. They didn't know what Horseplayers wanted and they decided to close shop with business struggling. The original is now running the solo operation in Waukegan. I'll take my laptop over any otb in Illinois. I don't
mind the Waukegan otb but I had the most frustrating experience ever there when I was 18. I walked in to get the next day's racing form and was asked to show ID to buy it. I didn't have it on me at the time and the woman refused to sell to me, I told her I wasn't placing any bets I just needed a racing form, she declined saying the racing form would help me bet. I said, "If you worked at a gas station and I came in to buy a lighter it would be the same scenario, I don't want cigarettes just a lighter. Nothing says I can't buy a Racing Form even if I wasn't 18. I realize service can be refused by any business so I didn't go any further but I was furious. There is another way this game could use future fans.

Give me a break. No ID, in a OTB wanting them to service you selling you gambling paraphernalia and your furious.LOL.  She was absolutely correct and next time bring your ID. Simple solution.
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« Reply #8 on: December 06, 2011, 09:55:02 PM »

An ID to buy a racing form...ridiculous.
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« Reply #9 on: December 06, 2011, 10:00:37 PM »

An ID to buy a racing form...ridiculous.

If you look like a kid and your at a otb... they should  sell forms to anybody I think not
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« Reply #10 on: December 06, 2011, 10:02:00 PM »

I was buying a racing form when I was 10  with no ID
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2011, 10:12:20 PM »

I was buying a racing form when I was 10  with no ID

Good for you hope you got a cookie with it. I dont think the track or any gambling establishment should sell any gambling publications to minors, simple if your not old enough to bet you dont need it and if your with an adult have them by it. Too easy for kids to get a voucher and bet with SAM. I think the women at the OTB taught this kid a lesson good for her and I applaud her efforts.
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« Reply #12 on: December 06, 2011, 10:14:42 PM »

Yes think of the children, we must always think of the children.The OTB should have been thrilled there was an actual  person under 50 in an OTB who was interested in wagering.When was an age requirement attached to purchasing a racing form?
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« Reply #13 on: December 06, 2011, 10:24:12 PM »

Yes think of the children, we must always think of the children

No, they are thinking about themselves. Liablity...

The OTB should have been thrilled there was an actual  person under 50 in an OTB who was interested in wagering.

Not if they under age.


.When was an age requirement attached to purchasing a racing form?

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« Reply #14 on: December 06, 2011, 10:28:40 PM »

Well it sounds like the OTB has another happy customer....and the beat goes on.
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« Reply #15 on: December 06, 2011, 10:32:57 PM »

It's on there for me.

Also (somewhat off topic), how old do you have to be to enter an OTB here in Illinois? As I just turned 18 today, I was wondering if it was 18 or 21? And which OTB would you all recommend?

Besides the Sundance OTB, twinspires.com is also a great solution if you are looking to get into the game and would like a quality product.
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« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2011, 12:21:02 AM »

Give me a break. No ID, in a OTB wanting them to service you selling you gambling paraphernalia and your furious.LOL.  She was absolutely correct and next time bring your ID. Simple solution.
Gambling paraphenalia? I like that. Racing forms are sold in gas stations all across the country. This isn't some porn magazine covered in plastic with WARNING signs plastered over it, this is a racing form. Children can buy a newspaper right? Turn to the sports section, Racing Selections and Vegas' Odds for the day's events. On a side note I've been buying my forms here for the last 4 years and the woman and I joke about the incident all the time, she'll even toss me a free one now and than.
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« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2011, 08:27:58 AM »


Racing forms are sold in gas stations all across the country.

Not any more. Their distribution has been reduced to tracks, otbs and some news stands.


t, this is a racing form. Children can buy a newspaper right? Turn to the sports section, Racing Selections and Vegas' Odds for the day's events.

True. Unless they buy it a OTB or Track where they are not be allowed unless they are with a adult.


On a side note I've been buying my forms here for the last 4 years and the woman and I joke about the incident all the time, she'll even toss me a free one now and than.

I find the women who sell programs  at Waukegan very helpful and pleasant.
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« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2011, 09:26:38 AM »

Gambling paraphenalia? I like that. Racing forms are sold in gas stations all across the country. This isn't some porn magazine covered in plastic with WARNING signs plastered over it, this is a racing form. Children can buy a newspaper right? Turn to the sports section, Racing Selections and Vegas' Odds for the day's events. On a side note I've been buying my forms here for the last 4 years and the woman and I joke about the incident all the time, she'll even toss me a free one now and than.

Next time I walk into a 7-11 I'm going to ask them where they keep the gambling paraphernalia.
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« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2011, 10:33:51 AM »

No kids under 18 allowed in California.  But sure enough, our place let's them in.  Kind of sad when one parent brings little kids.  They can't take a day off to do something with their children?! 

And one woman brings her grandchildren teens who only giggle and yell back and forth to one another with their phones going off all day long.  Ticks me off plenty.
Never visit Chicago to attend Arlington on a Sunday Memorial Day to Labor Day. You will loose your mind.
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« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2011, 10:41:58 AM »

Good for you hope you got a cookie with it. I don't think the track or any gambling establishment should sell any gambling publications to minors, simple if your not old enough to bet you don't need it and if your with an adult have them by it. Too easy for kids to get a voucher and bet with SAM. I think the women at the OTB taught this kid a lesson good for her and I applaud her efforts.
Gotta disagree Wally--I can remember when you could purchase DRF from any newsstand in the city(when there were newsstands.) People might never bet, but they had an interest in Horse Racing as a sport, no different than buying SI or TSN or ESPN Mag now. Unfortunately Horse Racing quit being a sport, except on the 1st Sat in May, so DRF is not readily available in print. Very easy and less costly to subscribe on line. You can still enjoy competition without betting.

As a side note, even though you could enter AP at 18 on your own, AP Trackside would not let you in until 21, unless with an adult.
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« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2011, 10:46:56 AM »

I'm going to guess the difference between an OTB and a 7-11 or the local newsstand is that the OTB is licensed by the IRB and subject to their gambling age rules.
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« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2011, 10:52:14 AM »

So there is an actual age requirement to buy a racing form?
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« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2011, 10:58:01 AM »

So there is an actual age requirement to buy a racing form?

There's an age requirement to gamble.

Either the IRB has a rule about licensees selling "gambling paraphernalia" that's also subject to the age limit, or the lady at the OTB lo those many years ago had her own rules. Or maybe her boss did. Or the village.

As long as none of us are currently affected, it's a pretty esoteric argument, though. Maybe we need to hear from jstuff.
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« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2011, 11:01:39 AM »

I haven't posted much lately, so I felt like "stretching my posting legs" a bit.
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