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« Reply #25 on: November 30, 2011, 02:06:05 PM »

Sad to say, I have a better chance of sweeping the 10 race card tonight than the tracks have of getting slots.  The IHHA has done a hell of a job trying.  You could double the amount spent on lobbyists and get the best in the world and they still will have no chance.  I hope I am wrong, but all long as Quinn is around, no slots. thumbs down thumbs down
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« Reply #26 on: November 30, 2011, 03:51:42 PM »


the trainer does not....we fought this fight many many months ago...all of the owners agree with me and all of the trainers will agree with you

pretty soon trainers will have to realize they have to be more business friendly and start acting like businessmen instead of snakeoil salesmen bullshit artist
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« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2011, 03:53:52 PM »

Sad to say, I have a better chance of sweeping the 10 race card tonight than the tracks have of getting slots.  The IHHA has done a hell of a job trying.  You could double the amount spent on lobbyists and get the best in the world and they still will have no chance.  I hope I am wrong, but all long as Quinn is around, no slots. thumbs down thumbs down


either way you cut it the guys that are doing it now are not getting it done


but i guess since they are cool guys to drink with at the state fair they should keep their jobs
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« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2011, 03:54:21 PM »

wow ...you tell a lot of people to go f------ themselfs..
not very friendly..

go f yourself
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« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2011, 03:56:55 PM »

The tooth fairy does a much better job on stalls than the Easter Bunny, at least for us. The tooth fairy also is good at washing blankets, coolers, leg wraps and towels.  Pretty good at rolling the leg wraps, too.

The Easter Bunny, though, is more meticulous about washing water buckets, feeding, putting a horse on water, packing feet and rubbing and wrapping legs on the day a horse doesn't jog.


most of that work is done by illegal immigrants that dont speak english not the trainers........you guys all will stick together on this because you don't want to lose the income......but does it really matter?  don't charge at all on sundays and just make up for it over billing for other stuff
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« Reply #30 on: November 30, 2011, 04:31:20 PM »

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the trainer does not....we fought this fight many many months ago...all of the owners agree with me and all of the trainers will agree with you

pretty soon trainers will have to realize they have to be more business friendly and start acting like businessmen instead of snakeoil salesmen bullshit artist
Well, surprise, surprise- I'm an owner, not a trainer.  And you are neither.  Pork
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« Reply #31 on: November 30, 2011, 04:43:38 PM »

http://Well, surprise, surprise- I'm an owner, not a trainer.  And you are neither.  Pork


then you are in agreement with me.....trainers suck
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« Reply #32 on: November 30, 2011, 04:50:22 PM »

You do have difficulty with comprehension. What part of no don't you understand? I totally disagree with you.   Pork
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« Reply #33 on: November 30, 2011, 05:08:25 PM »

You do have difficulty with comprehension. What part of no don't you understand? I totally disagree with you.   Pork

i guess the sarcasm was not detected by you...i should of been more sarcastic

trainers suck


ps.  you can go *** yourself too
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« Reply #34 on: November 30, 2011, 05:33:34 PM »


either way you cut it the guys that are doing it now are not getting it done


but i guess since they are cool guys to drink with at the state fair they should keep their jobs

They or no one else would get the job done.  Quinn is in the hip pocket of the casino interests and he isn't budging.  Maybe if we cancelled all purses and raced for free, giving all purse money to Quinn, we would get slots--or maybe not.
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« Reply #35 on: November 30, 2011, 06:09:26 PM »

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« Reply #36 on: November 30, 2011, 06:20:07 PM »

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i guess the sarcasm was not detected by you...i should of been more sarcastic

trainers suck


ps.  you can go *** yourself too
I guess you should have been more sarcastic since it would be impossible for you to be more stupid-you've maxed out there.  Pork
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« Reply #37 on: November 30, 2011, 06:30:12 PM »

corrupthorseman = go f*ck yourself


you add nothing to this thread  hijack


i rail against cheaters and shifty trainers and i am corrupt?
you carnies have it backwards


ps. go *** yourself
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« Reply #38 on: November 30, 2011, 06:31:40 PM »

http://I guess you should have been more sarcastic since it would be impossible for you to be more stupid-you've maxed out there.  Pork


ya i am the dumb one


ps.  do what i told you to do on the last post i responded to
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« Reply #39 on: November 30, 2011, 07:04:39 PM »

http://Well, surprise, surprise- I'm an owner, not a trainer.  And you are neither.  Pork
So are you a success at this sport as an owner or do you accept the status quo because thats how everybody else does it??? Im a former owner and think back on all the times on knew I got screwed and thought there had to be many more times I never knew of that I was screwed....The trainer charges 7 days a week for training....but he only trains or attends to the horse 6 days a week(if that)....he gets something for nothing.  Thats bad business for the owner.  Pay the groom the $15 for the day to check on the horse and feed it....thats what they are there for.  People in this forum,  especially IL horseman,  need to try a different direction and open their minds to save a dying sport.  Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the best approach....not telling people to go **** yourself.  The system in IL(and other places) is broken and dying....grooms need trainers and trainers need owners etc...etc....the IHHA is trying hard but running out of time....if IL horseman have an ace in the hole they need to pull it now!!!
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« Reply #40 on: November 30, 2011, 10:30:27 PM »

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« Reply #41 on: November 30, 2011, 11:31:54 PM »

Did you mean you rally against cheaters and shifty trainers?
What have you done to stop this lately?

Did you mean you Carey's have it bacwards?
Either way I still don't know what you are trying to say.


p.s. go f*ck yourself

 hijack

carnies....like carnival folk


.just by seeing that it exist and pointing it out on forums is more than most do while you guys just sit back and let these cheating trainers steal from you.......i have raced in a handful of overnights the past 10 years because you have no shot against the juicers and crooked drivers........


"ps go *** yourself" is my line so i would appreciate it if you would choose a different one


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« Reply #42 on: December 01, 2011, 01:11:22 AM »

carnies....like carnival folk


.just by seeing that it exist and pointing it out on forums is more than most do while you guys just sit back and let these cheating trainers steal from you.......i have raced in a handful of overnights the past 10 years because you have no shot against the juicers and crooked drivers........


"ps go *** yourself" is my line so i would appreciate it if you would choose a different one



YOU HAVE NO CLUE!
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« Reply #43 on: December 01, 2011, 07:57:41 AM »

YOU HAVE NO CLUE!

You guys have it all figured out I guess


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« Reply #44 on: December 01, 2011, 08:01:17 AM »


most of that work is done by illegal immigrants that dont speak english not the trainers........you guys all will stick together on this because you don't want to lose the income......but does it really matter?  don't charge at all on sundays and just make up for it over billing for other stuff
I'm an owner.  But I've been around the barn enough to know that a horse gets as much, if not more, attention on the day they stand.
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« Reply #45 on: December 01, 2011, 09:12:05 AM »

LOTS OF F-BOMBS !   
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« Reply #46 on: December 01, 2011, 04:01:02 PM »

I'm an owner.  But I've been around the barn enough to know that a horse gets as much, if not more, attention on the day they stand.


there is always a angle and trainers round things up to their favor....fair billing is what would be best


if your horse is lame and has not trained in a week then don't charge like you were training the horse for a week knowing that the owner has no idea the horse is lame because he is  not at the barn everyday

on race days you charge for paddocking and transportation (which i am fine with) but you also charge for training that day when everybody knows the horse does not leave his stall

When a horse gets to a trainers barn for the first day they charge a full day no matter what time the horse gets there

when the horse leaves the trainer for a sale or to go to another trainer you pay for the full day even though the horse is picked up @ 8:00 am

charge 52.50 a day and don't charge on sundays instead of charging 45 everyday



I guess I am in the wrong business.....crazy me thinking I should not pay for services that have not been rendered....


no response is needed ...i know that most of this board are not in agreement with me on this....i just hope that maybe one trainer will read this and a light bulb will go on and say to him/herself "ya he is right...i should stop trying to screw over my owners every chance I get"

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« Reply #47 on: December 01, 2011, 04:08:40 PM »


there is always a angle and trainers round things up to their favor....fair billing is what would be best


if your horse is lame and has not trained in a week then don't charge like you were training the horse for a week knowing that the owner has no idea the horse is lame because he is  not at the barn everyday

on race days you charge for paddocking and transportation (which i am fine with) but you also charge for training that day when everybody knows the horse does not leave his stall

When a horse gets to a trainers barn for the first day they charge a full day no matter what time the horse gets there

when the horse leaves the trainer for a sale or to go to another trainer you pay for the full day even though the horse is picked up @ 8:00 am

charge 52.50 a day and don't charge on sundays instead of charging 45 everyday



I guess I am in the wrong business.....crazy me thinking I should not pay for services that have not been rendered....


no response is needed ...i know that most of this board are not in agreement with me on this....i just hope that maybe one trainer will read this and a light bulb will go on and say to him/herself "ya he is right...i should stop trying to screw over my owners every chance I get"




i agree with you  100%
but not one trainer will EVER give an owner a fair shake..aint gonna happen...NEVER..they will nickel
and dime their owners for every last dollar they can make...
my advise to you is get out of this carny carnival business ..ASAP..you will feel so much better..
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« Reply #48 on: December 01, 2011, 04:12:26 PM »


i agree with you  100%
but not one trainer will EVER give an owner a fair shake..aint gonna happen...NEVER..they will nickel
and dime their owners for every last dollar they can make...
my advise to you is get out of this carny carnival business ..ASAP..you will feel so much better..

then i would have nothing to complain about
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« Reply #49 on: December 01, 2011, 06:30:08 PM »

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So are you a success at this sport as an owner or do you accept the status quo because thats how everybody else does it??? Im a former owner and think back on all the times on knew I got screwed and thought there had to be many more times I never knew of that I was screwed....The trainer charges 7 days a week for training....but he only trains or attends to the horse 6 days a week(if that)....he gets something for nothing.  Thats bad business for the owner.  Pay the groom the $15 for the day to check on the horse and feed it....thats what they are there for.  People in this forum,  especially IL horseman,  need to try a different direction and open their minds to save a dying sport.  Sometimes agreeing to disagree is the best approach....not telling people to go **** yourself.  The system in IL(and other places) is broken and dying....grooms need trainers and trainers need owners etc...etc....the IHHA is trying hard but running out of time....if IL horseman have an ace in the hole they need to pull it now!!!
Successful in my own way.  The excitement of seeing my horse in position to win in the stretch.Now and then a picture.  Is it worth the $?  When you get to be over 65, not too many things will get you that feeling.  My trainer is honest!  You and dishonesthorseman implying that all trainers are dishonest is just wrong.  Think about what you propose: that charges are only applied to the actual time the trainer is in the barn or jogging the horse. What about the days/nights when he/she is traveling racing your horse. Should you get billed more on those days? Double billed for overtime?  A complete billing nightmare. Im sure that you both have your own reasons for bad feelings about trainers.  Don't paint with such a broad brush.Your own bad experience does not give you the right to label all others thusly. Are all coaches pedophiles?  Pork
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