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« Reply #75 on: November 25, 2011, 11:05:25 PM »

Yes. Hawthorne and Arlington. It's what the national numbers indicate overall, and if we took the time to analyze the Illinois numbers, I think we would see the same, if not worse. Twin Spires is obviously growing, as it sucks handle out of live tracks including its own, but it is part of overall national handle.

Not deliberately.

No, it's just a mistake they made, along with the whole industry. People claimed if they only had in home wagering, they would bet a lot more. They claimed they'd bet a lot more when they got rebates. The actual numbers say the promise of both scenarios has failed to materialize from an overall standpoint and deliver the promised benefits. Handle is down, and faster than ever before, impacting both tracks and horsemen. The only benefit has been to a small group of players.
 
A bit late to back out now that they're committed. You and I both saw how Hawthorne cleared out virtually overnight when they drastically reduced the existing rewards they had been giving people for several years. Try to go back now and take anything away from the players that are left, or stuff the genie back in the bottle, and they'll clear out, too. Back to the subject of this thread, when they take away existing TSC rewards from small fry, you're going to see clearing out there, too.

The handle numbers do not lie. They are down, and down big time, nationally and in Illinois, in the same timeframe as ADW and rebates have skyrocketed. ADW and rebates have been a failure, both for growing the business like many players promised, or even for holding onto existing business.

Handle is down.  Big time.  But is lower handle the result of the cost of doing business?  Or is it a cost of not doing business?  

Confusing, isn't it.
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« Reply #76 on: November 25, 2011, 11:14:49 PM »

Well we Californians didn't get to add to the Hawthorne much today.  We had it up but not in our DRF form.  Why?  No one wants to be with no way to handicap.
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« Reply #77 on: November 25, 2011, 11:30:11 PM »

Well we Californians didn't get to add to the Hawthorne much today.  We had it up but not in our DRF form.  Why?  No one wants to be with no way to handicap.

Did you want to post this at the Hawthorne questions thread ? Because, I faced a similar situation when two posters came at me on 3 different threads at the same time.  Yeah.
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« Reply #78 on: November 25, 2011, 11:51:35 PM »

I guess I should have.  I've been handicapping for so many hours today.  For today and tomorrow.  I'm bleary eyed! 

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« Reply #79 on: November 26, 2011, 12:22:27 AM »

I guess I should have.  I've been handicapping for so many hours today.  For today and tomorrow.  I'm bleary eyed! 



Good luck tomorrow, Pam.  I have not been doing as well as I hoped this fall and I have these cataract operations and also moving to consider.
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« Reply #80 on: November 26, 2011, 06:12:59 AM »

Has anyone else received an email on the revamping of the twins spires club.

My own thoughts about it would make HV blush. doh

Laura Jean, the ONLY reason you and gamblers like you are here, is to make sure the CDI signal signal reaches into and competes in Asia.

http://www.churchilldownsincorporated.com/node/285

Is W. David Thompkins Jr. still a senior VP and chief marketing director at CDI ? Because, if he isn't, then someone who looks, feels, smells, sounds and tastes just like him, is.

http://www.insideview.com/directory/churchill-downs
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« Reply #81 on: November 26, 2011, 02:31:36 PM »

Well we Californians didn't get to add to the Hawthorne much today.  We had it up but not in our DRF form.  Why?  No one wants to be with no way to handicap.
Aren't darts enough?Good method as any! Wink Wink
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« Reply #82 on: November 26, 2011, 10:50:45 PM »

Good luck tomorrow, Pam.  I have not been doing as well as I hoped this fall and I have these cataract operations and also moving to consider.

That's a lot all at one time.  Prayers will be said for you.  Good thoughts coming your way as well if that works for you better.  Starting now.
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« Reply #83 on: November 26, 2011, 10:55:15 PM »

Aren't darts enough?Good method as any! Wink Wink
In the old days it was hat pins, you stuck the pin through the program and whichever horse you perforated was a guaranteed winner.   But try to find a young woman with a hat pin today, sheesh.  Even Janine doesn't wear a hat.
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« Reply #84 on: November 26, 2011, 10:58:37 PM »

Aren't darts enough?Good method as any! Wink Wink

Today darts would have been good, ha ha!
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« Reply #85 on: November 26, 2011, 11:00:38 PM »

In the old days it was hat pins, you stuck the pin through the program and whichever horse you perforated was a guaranteed winner.  But try to find a young woman with a hat pin today, shush.  Even Janine doesn't wear a hat.

I wear a lot of hats.  But I don't need the hat pins.  BUT, I have about ten antique hat pins from my grandmother. They are beautiful. But useless.
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« Reply #86 on: November 26, 2011, 11:03:19 PM »

I wear a lot of hats.  But I don't need the hat pins.  BUT, I have about ten antique hat pins from my grandmother. They are beautiful. But useless.
Take the most beautiful or meaningful hat pin in your collection to the track and poke it through your program.   The old saying was that you had some guaranteed winners there.

Not that I will guarantee them winning but that was the theory.   haha
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