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« Reply #25 on: August 22, 2011, 12:05:46 AM »

another thing me and langly have never been tight!!  he hated me for years , we started talking when i got old. we are far from tight---but just -ok.
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« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2011, 12:41:50 AM »

Why are you in such denial? Is it like when one person tells a lie long and often enough they think people will believe them? It's bs and you and I both know it. No crew? Uh huh and I have some land that you can buy..............I think you got that from Langley. Just keep denying things and they will eventually go away. And Ira, there are quite a few people who believe that you and Langley were AND are tight. WAY more than don't believe it. I wonder why that is. screwy
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« Reply #27 on: August 22, 2011, 01:24:59 AM »

like i care what u think, most people are gonna  think the worst, and start the lies. u dont know what u r talking about . and ive got no more to say. it would be nice to know who im talking to, oh thats right im not telling the truth , but im not hiding!! nyah
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« Reply #28 on: August 22, 2011, 01:38:30 AM »

It's called being a mouthpiece. Just spewing out misinformation. What lies? That there ARE fixed races at Balmoral? Who could POSSIBLY deny that? That "certain" people are cashing on these "strange" races with bad payoffs?         The truth shall set you free.  thumbs up
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« Reply #29 on: August 22, 2011, 02:14:28 AM »

warren, i forgot thats u . never mind . --------ok . the races are fixed.--- bowing      bowing  the end.
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« Reply #30 on: August 22, 2011, 08:46:16 AM »

 Again, are you kidding me? Niatross, do you know the difference between a speeding ticket and race fixing? I'll explain, one is a minor misdemeanor that can be expunged off your record by going to a 5 hour class. The other is a federal felony that will not be expunged and includes possible jail time. Oosting gets dui after dui and does not do time. So putting a speeding ticket in the class of race fixing shows your line of thinking. You know I don't agree with everything that Ira says, but it is interesting to note that a lot of the people that disagree with him on every issue shows some people can't face the truths. At least he has the courage to admit that some have cheated in this sport. Some of you think that there has never been any race fixing schemes at all, like it is not possible. Hey, at least I'm not going out getting drunk like Angus Lake and Pat Curtain were and running down young girls on the backstretch and killing one of them. Do you think people like this and others I have mentioned do all of these bad things and just become holy than though once they set foot on the racetrack. I saw Doug Hamilton so drunk so many times at hawthorne when we were racing there than I can count. I mean real drunk! head shake
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« Reply #31 on: August 22, 2011, 10:11:12 AM »

I KNOW 4 A FACT THIS WAS NOT A FIXED RACE !!  rod was told to leave they thought roberts would let him go !! i didnt. i know rod bet the horse and so did barnard . u guys need to stop talking nonsense about fixed races on here.  roberts was sending rod a mess. when ive got the rail dont leave !!!  they both looked like fools , ill give u that . these guys CANT fix a race!!!!!  head shake  head shake

Don't confuse the know-it-alls with the truth!
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« Reply #32 on: August 22, 2011, 10:24:04 AM »

Don't confuse the know-it-alls with the truth!

Keep believing the mouthpiece............ Why don't you ask him just EXACTLY HOW he "KNOW 4 A FACT THIS WAS NOT A FIXED RACE" ?  Is he privy to EVERY fixed race? Does EVERY driver tell him EVERY time they are in a "fixed" race ? Is he involved in other "fixed" races? When drivers drive VERY strangely and horrible payoffs are involved, people are inclined to believe foul play is the cause. If the IRB did something on their own about the "strange" drives, maybe people would have some confidence in the races. BUT they do NOT do anything on their own. It takes Las Vegas to get them to do anything.
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« Reply #33 on: August 22, 2011, 10:40:16 AM »

You don't need to get to all 10 drivers in a race.
Usually just 3 or 4.
And they need to be decent drivers.
Toss the 30-1 shots and you are down to maybe 6 horses..
You just need a fave or 2nd choice to go dead and know about it.
If you know how to bet, and these guys do, you will cash...
Jackie Mo used to get his comission check on Thursdays at Freehold, walk out of the office, and 2 of his bookies would always be in the parking lot waiting for him. Like clockwork.
He didn't wind up in Canada by choice. He was politely asked to leave, and not because of his great integrity..
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« Reply #34 on: August 22, 2011, 11:03:16 AM »

Diamond,
Apparently my line of thinking went right over your head.You were the one who posted that you NEVER DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL AND NEVER WOULD.
I do not need to you to explain the difference between a misdemeanor and a felony.
However, I asked you 3 questions in my previous post and you chose to not answer even  one of them.They were regarding the correct crooked info you received with fixed races.If you don;t want to answer them on here or via a pm we are left to our own opinions..
There is a person on these forums who likes to claims he never has or never would lie.Yet he recently admitted to lying.
Now do you need to consult with a lawyer before you answer the questions I posted earlier on this thread  ?
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« Reply #35 on: August 22, 2011, 01:47:31 PM »

Keep believing the mouthpiece............ Why don't you ask him just EXACTLY HOW he "KNOW 4 A FACT THIS WAS NOT A FIXED RACE" ?  Is he privy to EVERY fixed race? Does EVERY driver tell him EVERY time they are in a "fixed" race ? Is he involved in other "fixed" races? When drivers drive VERY strangely and horrible payoffs are involved, people are inclined to believe foul play is the cause. If the IRB did something on their own about the "strange" drives, maybe people would have some confidence in the races. BUT they do NOT do anything on their own. It takes Las Vegas to get them to do anything.

I don't have to believe the "mouthpiece".  I know many of the principals involved in this so called fixed race.
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« Reply #36 on: August 22, 2011, 07:52:58 PM »

Just an idea...
Don't you think if drivers were going to fix a race they would do it in a way that wasn't obvious...
I see everyones point of view but at some point yall need to stop beating a dead dog. I do think some races are manipulated but I guess I don't know where to draw the line at fixed.
All in all I think the races will get better with better purses. Hopefully the horses will get taken care of better, kept up with vet work, shod, and fed right, and maybe then the horses can perform more consistently.
Also with the increase in purse money hopefully it attracts some more patrons and gets Illinois Harness Racing on the map again!
 
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« Reply #37 on: August 22, 2011, 09:52:37 PM »

Are you kidding me Burton and Sea Biscuit LOL!!!! I have been in racing for over 30 years and drivers have always done what I have told them. One night I had a horse coming off a 3 month layoff and people bet him down to 3-5* thinking he was going to leave like he always does and beat a bunch of rats because I had him dropping way down in class. What the dumb sucker betters didn't know is, I told the driver to duck and just race him on the rail and not push him because I wanted to bring him back slowly. I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO LOSE THAT NIGHT! I know another trainer in the race bet the hell out of his horse, because he knew the situation with my horse and what I planned on doing with him. If the public knew my instructions to the driver or how I wanted to bring the horse back off the layoff, they wouldn't have bet a frickin dime on my horse. He finished 4th by the way. Tuff luck for the show betters. Many drivers and trainers over the years have let me in on good, crooked, information. Jeff Tilden, Ed Holdeman, and addicted gambler Dan Knox let me in on some great information over the years. Danny played around with horses he drove. He ended up committing suicide leaving small children behind and owing bookies over $40,000 dollars in unpaid debt. So Burton and Sea Biscuit BS everyone on here on how honest horse racing is!!!! Drivers betting with bookies are going to be so honest on the track when they owe the books thousands LOL!!!! These are facts not fiction. Ron Marsh, Jeff Tilden, Rodney Mills, all involved in race fixing schemes. Not make believe. Jeff bet on my horses when he was driving in the same race. Jeff love to bet against himself. He just wanted to make money. I could go on and on with lovely stories to no end. Oh, and how about are honest vets. The ones I have always used did whatever I needed. They always say you didn't get it from me LOL! The investigation they had last year when they were finding syringes on top of all the sheds in the barns was a real laugher. All those syringes went right into somebody's horse at some point. If people want to hear more crooked stories I will surely be obliged. Everyone get real!
If you sent a 3-5 shot postward after giving the driver explicit instructions NOT to try to win, then you are as big a cheat and just as guilty of defrauding the "dumb sucker bettors" (your words) as any so-called "race fixing" driver. YOU WITHHELD FROM EVERYONE BUT YOUR DRIVER THE FACT THAT YOU WERE GOING "DEAD." DON'T YOU THINK THE BETTORS WOULD LIKE TO HAVE KNOWN THAT? THEY GOT SCREWED, AND YOU'RE THE ***hole RESPONSIBLE FOR IT!

Then, in another post, you claim "Understand this. I have never done anything illegal or would." Congratulations, pal. You just stamped yourself as the biggest bullshit artist posting here on BTW!

So, you bet on the wrong horse in a race at Maywood you claim was fixed? I'm glad, because if anyone deserves to get screwed, you do!

How does it feel to be a "dumb sucker bettor???"
    
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« Reply #38 on: August 23, 2011, 10:16:31 AM »

 But that's just it VJ I am in the racing game. I'm not interested in the betting game for horse racing. My concern is my horses well being and future. Not to blow them out after a layoff. If people want to hammer a horse off a qualifier and just plain bet, that's really not my concern. This horse was brought back slowly not to have the same injury happen twice. I watch the majority of the races from the paddock or kitchen. People that know me know that I am never at a betting machine. I have watched thousands of races over the years and know the difference of a trying drive, a stupid drive, and a fake crooked drive. Ron Marsh purposely didn't pull Mike's Cadet the night he was a big chalk and I was there that night. It was a Saturday night at maywood. The horse had so much pace it was unreal. Marsh was choking him down almost and didn't pull and got shuffled to last flying in the stretch. The drive could have been said to be legitiment with people saying that he just got locked in. Well, immediately after the race Vegas and stewards were involved investigating big time bets that did not include Marsh with a live horse on paper and on the track in which the tickets went uncashed. Thousands went uncashed! That's just one example. Sea Biscuit just about everyone has a speeding ticket on their record. However, when you fill out for a racing license they are only interested in felony crimes which I have never been involved in. As far as people giving me information or shooting their mouth off I could care less. Giving me good information is one thing if it turned out to be true in which most cases it did. However, where have I said that I cashed in on those races personally? Sure I have gotten a speeding ticket many years ago, so I guess you proved your point that I'm a liar. Congrats Niatross your the einstein of BTW chat board.  beer
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« Reply #39 on: August 23, 2011, 10:25:35 AM »

 Another thing Vegas "gambler" Jay, when the public is willing to pay all my vet bills for me I will get on a blowhorn and announce my horse's every ailment to them. I'll even give the day and time to the second when they emptied out!
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« Reply #40 on: August 23, 2011, 10:33:23 AM »



      No money in the pools? Well thats just funny because these are the same people that go everyday. Why then???  If there was no money in the pools then people like Ira wouldn't be there everyday trying to steal it now would they? They will steal every crumb they can get there hands on and who in the hell made Ira the Chicagoland mouthpiece he doesn't even have a trainers license now does he?
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« Reply #41 on: August 23, 2011, 10:52:10 AM »

 It don't take much to cash in. If you hit a $4 tri or super you have a nice little chunk of change. Greed is where cheaters get caught! So to me there don't have to be a lot of money in the pool. Tilden and Mills got caught because the tri paid so low! Big longshots with the favorites out and it paid jack nothing! Las Vegas casinos called the stewards before the race even started. I will also agree that Las Vegas shouldn't be the ones always catching these cheaters. Our stewards should do something. One night Tony Morgan got dragged in a bike and Dan Knox went inside the pylon on a horse called Antisapating. Two stewards cut out early and the third left after the last race finished. The inquiry was posted by somebody and they had to call the last steward that left via cell phone to get a ruling on what happend. It was all over the paddock that a steward was nowhere to be found.
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« Reply #42 on: August 23, 2011, 01:08:02 PM »

Diamond,

You are not the Einstein of BTW.I was the one who  brought up the Speeding ticket issue not Sea Biscuit.No one was asking about  any felonies.
You are too busy lying or not answering questions to prove otherwise.
Again it was you who said he NEVER DID ANYTHING ILLEGAL OR WOULD DO.
You may not be the biggest bullshitter / liar on this forum as someone else said
but you are at least 1A.
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« Reply #43 on: August 23, 2011, 02:00:21 PM »

 I stand corrected and it has been corrected. However, if any of you are on *** read the Bobby Smolin thread that C3po posted about Smolin the 1-5* he claims Smolin stiffed. The way he drove that horse and how he drove the other horses that night. Disgruntled gambler or keen eye on what is happening? You be the judge. He wanted everyone to call the IRB and the stewards.
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« Reply #44 on: August 23, 2011, 02:15:09 PM »

For them idiots to think I stiffed perfect timing ... The horse has lameness issues I held the horse together the entire mile isn't my fault he didn't win either blame the state vet or the horse for being raced every other day ... I tried to win ... Shit happens!!
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« Reply #45 on: August 23, 2011, 02:43:31 PM »

if the people on horsedong are so sharp why didnt they see the horse score down like shit . the horse shows a breaking all the time.  they like most of u just want to start shit. u dont say bobbys the hottest driver at bal. in his last 70 starts hes batting over 30 % winners. or that he ranks 4th overall even tho he drives longshots no instead steve penhaker, warren hanson want to call the irb and say hes a stiff!! when the irb starts doing what these sites want then to . they can just close the doors !! every race is fixed , bobby smolin steals wheels , and him and the dopey allums kid took down the twin-towers. why dont u guys stop ur bullshit already.  bobby knows the world is watching his every move !! hes not gonna stiff any *** horses ***hole !!!!!
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« Reply #46 on: August 23, 2011, 10:02:41 PM »

if the people on horsedong are so sharp why didnt they see the horse score down like shit . the horse shows a breaking all the time.  they like most of u just want to start shit. u dont say bobbys the hottest driver at bal. in his last 70 starts hes batting over 30 % winners. or that he ranks 4th overall even tho he drives longshots no instead steve penhaker, warren hanson want to call the irb and say hes a stiff!! when the irb starts doing what these sites want then to . they can just close the doors !! every race is fixed , bobby smolin steals wheels , and him and the dopey allums kid took down the twin-towers. why dont u guys stop ur bullshit already.  bobby knows the world is watching his every move !! hes not gonna stiff any *** horses ***hole !!!!!

Ira, why don't you stop with the LIES. I do NOT call the IRB and have NOT talked to them in OVER 20 years. They are a joke. They do NOTHING BUT COLLECT PAYCHECKS. Why would I want to talk to them? You can say all you want about Bobbys statistics but when Brennan,Parker,Morrill, Filion, Wojico, etc got caught fixing races in the east, they WERE the leading drivers. So PLEASE stop with the numbers stuff. Let's get into something else-JUST EXACTLY HOW MUCH FREE STUFF HAVE YOU RECEIVED FROM BALMORAL PARK ? So it would follow that you would be defending the races there. After all, the track and the IRB do NOT want ANY bad publicity sent to the Governor. EVERYONE KNOWS you were/are tight with Johnston/Langley. In FACT, some think you are on the payroll. People have heard that for 25 years. I don't know AND don't care. I would like to know why the drivers need to stop by your booth before the races and talk. It definitely does NOT look good.
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« Reply #47 on: August 23, 2011, 10:07:08 PM »

For them idiots to think I stiffed perfect timing ... The horse has lameness issues I held the horse together the entire mile isn't my fault he didn't win either blame the state vet or the horse for being raced every other day ... I tried to win ... Shit happens!!

If the horse was lame then it was your RESPONSIBILITY to report it to the State Vet BEFORE the race. Did you ? So you're admitting that horse was LAME? There is a rule AGAINST entering and racing LAME horses. And as far as being raced every other day, WHY did you accept the drive? Certainly you owe it to your child to NOT drive horses that you KNOW are lame. Why take the risk ? Is this horse on the stewards list for lameness? Did you call the stewards and tell them the horse was lame?
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« Reply #48 on: August 23, 2011, 10:24:14 PM »

warren, this is not fun anymore. the horse scored bad ,put in steps not lame !! i still lost my money on him cause he looked like a cinch lots of sore horses stiill win, why would i be on their payroll . they dont wanna pay the people they got now !! what can i do 4 them but bet. and thats why i get a free program , a place to sit , and some of the greatest food ever served in the world. the good news is u can get the same thing that all 70 people who have these cards get.  u just have to bet. and then sometimes win. somtimes i get mad at the races to. but i dont call the racing bd. i dont think the race is fixed. i know sometimes a guy races the horse easy and i get screwed so i bet the horse next time. plus some of these guys just stink !! think what u want do what ever.  im not hurting anyone and my son is very aware that everybody hates him and just waits to try to get him. he wants to win every race. he loves it. im done with no win subject. good luck to u all !! im done 4 awhile.   beer
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« Reply #49 on: August 23, 2011, 10:33:19 PM »

If the horse was lame then it was your RESPONSIBILITY to report it to the State Vet BEFORE the race. Did you ? So you're admitting that horse was LAME? There is a rule AGAINST entering and racing LAME horses. And as far as being raced every other day, WHY did you accept the drive? Certainly you owe it to your child to NOT drive horses that you KNOW are lame. Why take the risk ? Is this horse on the stewards list for lameness? Did you call the stewards and tell them the horse was lame?

Lame is a very broad term. Most all horses are lame to some degree.
Most all of us are a little stiff(lame) in the morning. Does that mean we should stay in bed till we feel better?

The driver scores the horse down and he is on a line a little. No big deal few of them go 100% straight.
Behind the gate he is alright
 First turn he is on the line again.
Farther he goes the more the driver has to hold him together.
By the end of the mile he is crooked as hell, and the driver is happy as hell to get back safe.

Next horse he drives scores down on a line just like the last one.
This one gets behind the gate straightens out and wins for fun, and that is the way it goes.

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