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« on: August 20, 2011, 06:03:59 PM »

 Anybody watch John Roberts and Rod Allums Jr. purposely speed duel two horse last night? Third easy hotspur and Skinny Jeans go to a 26:2 quarter and a 54:4 half. This race was fixed for a couple of reasons. First, Third easy hotspur who looked sensational on paper opened up at 12-1 LOL! An indication that she was going to get stiffed and Odds on riesling opens up as the big chalk. The race was set up for Odds on riesling because of the phoney early betting and the way two shady drivers went at it to the half. Odds on riesling was getting ready to sweep the field and win easy, but went on a rare break. In the last 30 years since I was a tot, I have never seen two shady drivers past and present want the lead so bad that one would refuse to duck in this situation. It didn't look like your average speed duel, it looked fake. John Roberts has a history of drugs and Rod Allums is being investigated for betting against himself in a race in which he participated. Third easy hotspur has been racing great from behind, but last night has to wire the field at all costs? As soon as I saw the early betting I knew something was up. Skinny jeans has had the one hole twice in the last three starts and not been on the lead. If these kind of drivers are going to stiff horses like this they better do it a little more sneaky. This just looked to fake! Another race I got a kick out of was the Seawind gambler race. This horse is stuck with pp 7 and looks very lackluster to say the least on paper and earned the 15-1 morning line. However, last night gets bet down to 4-1 and wires the field in 1:54 like a champ. Are the stewards watching these races with a good laugh? It's very entertaining though!  sneaky
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3 wide and wingin
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« Reply #1 on: August 20, 2011, 06:20:23 PM »

Do they have races that aren't fixed?
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« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2011, 06:47:34 PM »

Do they have races that aren't fixed?

Maybe rosecroft?
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« Reply #3 on: August 20, 2011, 07:33:08 PM »

Maybe rosecroft?

As that is the only track i can really vouch for there are tons of drivers and horseman there I will vouch for.

I just ask if other tracks are not why do people bother?

There are some crooks here but I actually learned how to use them in bets.
I fell they have helped me actually.
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« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2011, 08:27:19 AM »

Allums and Roberts are just two drivers with limited skills who hooked up in  a speed battle . These two couldn't fix a broken watch together much less a race together . I really think Roberts tries with every horse
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« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2011, 08:41:37 AM »

Funniest thread of the week.
LOL!!!!!!!
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« Reply #6 on: August 21, 2011, 09:26:15 AM »

 If John Roberts took my horse to a 26:2/54:4 half I guarantee you he would be doing anything but laughing. I will never give him the oppurtunity. He has asked me to go to a bar on north avenue drinking with him several times in the not so far past, and there is a difference between trying and just being plain stupid and ruining a horse he has no training or ownership interest in. Or, not having to pay any of the vet bills that are inquired for beating a horse up for no reason. The drivers I use are professional, do well, and don't abuse the animal. If I had a nickel for everytime Roberts hit Little Pauli in the stretch and not the shaft I could pay off the national debt! bang head
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« Reply #7 on: August 21, 2011, 11:03:11 AM »

I KNOW 4 A FACT THIS WAS NOT A FIXED RACE !!  rod was told to leave they thought roberts would let him go !! i didnt. i know rod bet the horse and so did barnard . u guys need to stop talking nonsense about fixed races on here.  roberts was sending rod a mess. when ive got the rail dont leave !!!  they both looked like fools , ill give u that . these guys CANT fix a race!!!!!  head shake  head shake
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« Reply #8 on: August 21, 2011, 11:11:15 AM »

Really, Ira. REALLY?? Just because YOU say so.... There is a saying IRA, if you fail to learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it. Chicago harness racing is a FING JOKE. Scandals everywhere, drivers in booths before the races, trainers arrested for drugs, drivers suspended for drug use, and/or lack of effort, and you want people to believe that it is NOT possible that two drivers, who have had trouble in their past, set up a race, because YOU said so?Huh REALLY?Huh

         Sincerely, Silent Mike
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« Reply #9 on: August 21, 2011, 11:24:26 AM »

  This race was fixed for a couple of reasons. First, Third easy hotspur who looked sensational on paper opened up at 12-1 LOL! An indication that she was going to get stiffed and Odds on riesling opens up as the big chalk. The race was set up for Odds on riesling because of the phoney early betting and the way two shady drivers went at it to the half.

Are you serious or what?
At 7 minutes to post there was $546 bucks in the win pool, Odds On was 2-1.
5 minutes, $782 bucks, Odds On went up to 5-2
at 3 minutes, Odds On was 9/5 with $1063 in the win pool.
Without trying to get to technical with you here, that's hardly enough money to buy groceries for the week if the fix was in with all that EARLY money! lol
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« Reply #10 on: August 21, 2011, 12:05:52 PM »

Are you serious or what?
At 7 minutes to post there was $546 bucks in the win pool, Odds On was 2-1.
5 minutes, $782 bucks, Odds On went up to 5-2
at 3 minutes, Odds On was 9/5 with $1063 in the win pool.
Without trying to get to technical with you here, that's hardly enough money to buy groceries for the week if the fix was in with all that EARLY money! lol


  If this guy figured this race was fixed by glancing at the tote board with those kinda numbers.......umm, need I say more?
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« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2011, 12:29:58 PM »

yes, silent mike. i do expect u to beleave me the handle at maywood is so bad that they couldnt get gas money out of those pools !!   i know , magee stinks , i know. its ok !!       screwy
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« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2011, 03:04:11 PM »

The thing I miss most with RCR being closed for 3 years of live racing is the crying.

I cant wait to see people throw their tickets down and proclaim every race fixed.

Funniest ever was someone actually thought James Groff was running blocker for someone.
LOLOLOL

If you know the track you know he is incapable. But they believed it. Every lost bet is a fix or a cheat and it makes me laugh.
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« Reply #13 on: August 21, 2011, 05:41:23 PM »

I dont know if this race was fixed or not,  but what i do know is that its a smarter way to fix a race (if fixing races is your thing) to duel and appear to 'try really hard' to win. Lets face it, the judges can't fine or suspend or say a driver 'stiffed' for getting in a duel. You can't fine a driver for 'stupidity'. (although you should be able to).

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« Reply #14 on: August 21, 2011, 07:17:37 PM »

Funniest thread of the week.
LOL!!!!!!!

You can say that again Mr Burton.

I am sure all the drivers involved had a meeting behind the barns before the race to decide who will win.









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« Reply #15 on: August 21, 2011, 08:17:28 PM »

 Are you kidding me Burton and Sea Biscuit LOL!!!! I have been in racing for over 30 years and drivers have always done what I have told them. One night I had a horse coming off a 3 month layoff and people bet him down to 3-5* thinking he was going to leave like he always does and beat a bunch of rats because I had him dropping way down in class. What the dumb sucker betters didn't know is, I told the driver to duck and just race him on the rail and not push him because I wanted to bring him back slowly. I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO LOSE THAT NIGHT! I know another trainer in the race bet the hell out of his horse, because he knew the situation with my horse and what I planned on doing with him. If the public knew my instructions to the driver or how I wanted to bring the horse back off the layoff, they wouldn't have bet a frickin dime on my horse. He finished 4th by the way. Tuff luck for the show betters. Many drivers and trainers over the years have let me in on good, crooked, information. Jeff Tilden, Ed Holdeman, and addicted gambler Dan Knox let me in on some great information over the years. Danny played around with horses he drove. He ended up committing suicide leaving small children behind and owing bookies over $40,000 dollars in unpaid debt. So Burton and Sea Biscuit BS everyone on here on how honest horse racing is!!!! Drivers betting with bookies are going to be so honest on the track when they owe the books thousands LOL!!!! These are facts not fiction. Ron Marsh, Jeff Tilden, Rodney Mills, all involved in race fixing schemes. Not make believe. Jeff bet on my horses when he was driving in the same race. Jeff love to bet against himself. He just wanted to make money. I could go on and on with lovely stories to no end. Oh, and how about are honest vets. The ones I have always used did whatever I needed. They always say you didn't get it from me LOL! The investigation they had last year when they were finding syringes on top of all the sheds in the barns was a real laugher. All those syringes went right into somebody's horse at some point. If people want to hear more crooked stories I will surely be obliged. Everyone get real!
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« Reply #16 on: August 21, 2011, 08:58:30 PM »

Are you kidding me Burton and Sea Biscuit LOL!!!! I have been in racing for over 30 years and drivers have always done what I have told them. One night I had a horse coming off a 3 month layoff and people bet him down to 3-5* thinking he was going to leave like he always does and beat a bunch of rats because I had him dropping way down in class. What the dumb sucker betters didn't know is, I told the driver to duck and just race him on the rail and not push him because I wanted to bring him back slowly. I KNEW HE WAS GOING TO LOSE THAT NIGHT! I know another trainer in the race bet the hell out of his horse, because he knew the situation with my horse and what I planned on doing with him. If the public knew my instructions to the driver or how I wanted to bring the horse back off the layoff, they wouldn't have bet a frickin dime on my horse. He finished 4th by the way. Tuff luck for the show betters. Many drivers and trainers over the years have let me in on good, crooked, information. Jeff Tilden, Ed Holdeman, and addicted gambler Dan Knox let me in on some great information over the years. Danny played around with horses he drove. He ended up committing suicide leaving small children behind and owing bookies over $40,000 dollars in unpaid debt. So Burton and Sea Biscuit BS everyone on here on how honest horse racing is!!!! Drivers betting with bookies are going to be so honest on the track when they owe the books thousands LOL!!!! These are facts not fiction. Ron Marsh, Jeff Tilden, Rodney Mills, all involved in race fixing schemes. Not make believe. Jeff bet on my horses when he was driving in the same race. Jeff love to bet against himself. He just wanted to make money. I could go on and on with lovely stories to no end. Oh, and how about are honest vets. The ones I have always used did whatever I needed. They always say you didn't get it from me LOL! The investigation they had last year when they were finding syringes on top of all the sheds in the barns was a real laugher. All those syringes went right into somebody's horse at some point. If people want to hear more crooked stories I will surely be obliged. Everyone get real!

In a game where money changes hands, there will always be crooks and shady characters lurking around.

What you say about not pushing your horse after a layoff and a qualifier is nothing new. We all know that. Its a rare day when I will bet a horse off a qualifier coming after a layoff just for that reason alone.

About those few drivers you are talking about who owe money to the bookies maybe you are right or maybe not. Just that I don't see very many drivers showing up on track with broken legs and arms. HaHa.

What really we are talking about is fixing a race. In order to fix a race you gotta involve people in your scheme. Maybe at least 4 or 5 drivers if not all ten and that is not very easy to do. Even if you do succeed in doing so you gotta make sure all four or five drivers get the same dividends or the one getting less is most likely to start chirping like a bird and spill the beans. Just ask Kevin Wallis. He might be able to give you an update on this matter. What a waste of good talent.

I play the WEG circuit and racing up here is pretty much on the up and up as it is at most tracks I am sure. Purses are good and drivers make good money. There are races which raises my eyebrows, but I am happy to report they are few and far between. Maybe one or two in a thousand.

Diamond one thing is for sure. You'll never be a poster boy for harness racing.

 

 

  
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« Reply #17 on: August 21, 2011, 10:17:53 PM »

 Understand this, I have never done anything illegal or would. However, when your in this business you meet a lot of people. I've gotten a lot of information from many people that ended up panning out to what was said. Just look at all of the suspensions for people doing illegal things. Personally, I can't stand people that outright cheat. If I could clean up this sport I would, but there just too many cheating. Everyone that knew Dan Knox knew he had a severe gambling problem. You had to be an idiot not to know it. People that claim Ron Marsh, Jeff Tilden, Rodney Mills, Brian Pelling, and so many others were innocent are full of crap. They have plenty of evidence. Uncashed tickets in the Marsh case when he drove Turn me loose kid and Mike's Cadet. Illegal betting patterns in Las Vegas when a bunch of individuals where hitting every book in town in the Mills and Tilden race betting trifectas and perfectas but not using Mills horse at 4-5* Biz and Tilden's horse from the one hole at 3-1 second choice. Who do you think told these people in Vegas to leave these horses out of the gimmicks. The drivers! It only takes two drivers with key horses to fix a race. John Roberts may be clean of illegal drugs, but he still drinks. Rod Allums allegations that he is on video betting in a race that he was in driving in and not using himself in his bets. Rick Dane had to be separated from Todd Warren one night at balmoral because Mike Oosting and Warren were scheming in a race Dane was driving in. They are Michigan buddies and very good friends. Mike Oosting is a woman beater and a milk shaker taken to court several times for dui's, domestic abuse, and suspended for milk shaking time and time again. Richard Smolin stealing a bike from Dave Magee. Talk about these people as poster boys. I treat the animals with respect, and never have been suspended. Never have I been involved in scheming. Just being in this business you see and hear so much that to say it's on the up and with some people would be ridiculous. Wherever gambling is involved you will have crooked cheaters. As far as vets I only do what is legal. They are the ones that will actually go beyond misconduct if need be.
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« Reply #18 on: August 21, 2011, 10:44:51 PM »

Understand this, I have never done anything illegal or would..

I got the picture now.You have never borken a speed limit drove while intoxicated or cheated on your taxes.
In  an earlier post you say people provided you with " good crooked information" and yet I hear nothing from you how you advanced that info to authorities to help fix the cheating.
Did you bet anyone of those horses involved in the good information and cash a ticket ?
Did you tell anyone else close to you of the info so they can cash a ticket ?

Are we to believe you or a friend never cashed a ticket based on the good crookeed info you received ?
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« Reply #19 on: August 21, 2011, 10:49:27 PM »

Understand this, I have never done anything illegal or would. However, when your in this business you meet a lot of people. I've gotten a lot of information from many people that ended up panning out to what was said. Just look at all of the suspensions for people doing illegal things. Personally, I can't stand people that outright cheat. If I could clean up this sport I would, but there just too many cheating. Everyone that knew Dan Knox knew he had a severe gambling problem. You had to be an idiot not to know it. People that claim Ron Marsh, Jeff Tilden, Rodney Mills, Brian Pelling, and so many others were innocent are full of crap. They have plenty of evidence. Uncashed tickets in the Marsh case when he drove Turn me loose kid and Mike's Cadet. Illegal betting patterns in Las Vegas when a bunch of individuals where hitting every book in town in the Mills and Tilden race betting trifectas and perfectas but not using Mills horse at 4-5* Biz and Tilden's horse from the one hole at 3-1 second choice. Who do you think told these people in Vegas to leave these horses out of the gimmicks. The drivers! It only takes two drivers with key horses to fix a race. John Roberts may be clean of illegal drugs, but he still drinks. Rod Allums allegations that he is on video betting in a race that he was in driving in and not using himself in his bets. Rick Dane had to be separated from Todd Warren one night at balmoral because Mike Oosting and Warren were scheming in a race Dane was driving in. They are Michigan buddies and very good friends. Mike Oosting is a woman beater and a milk shaker taken to court several times for dui's, domestic abuse, and suspended for milk shaking time and time again. Richard Smolin stealing a bike from Dave Magee. Talk about these people as poster boys. I treat the animals with respect, and never have been suspended. Never have I been involved in scheming. Just being in this business you see and hear so much that to say it's on the up and with some people would be ridiculous. Wherever gambling is involved you will have crooked cheaters. As far as vets I only do what is legal. They are the ones that will actually go beyond misconduct if need be.

Same old story. You talk of only the bad apples in the game. Why not talk about the good apples and all those races which are run fair and true to form.

How about talking about those races for a change it will be very refreshing to say the least.

 
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« Reply #20 on: August 21, 2011, 10:52:28 PM »

Same old story. You talk of only the bad apples in the game. Why not talk about the good apples and all those races which are run fair and true to form.

How about talking about those races for a change it will be very refreshing to say the least.

SB

Sad to see it is reflective of the society we live in.The bad always interests people more.
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« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2011, 11:01:29 PM »

I got the picture now.You have never borken a speed limit drove while intoxicated or cheated on your taxes.
In  an earlier post you say people provided you with " good crooked information" and yet I hear nothing from you how you advanced that info to authorities to help fix the cheating.
Did you bet anyone of those horses involved in the good information and cash a ticket ?
Did you tell anyone else close to you of the info so they can cash a ticket ?

Are we to believe you or a friend never cashed a ticket based on the good crookeed info you received ?


I must say you ask the toughest of questions.

We shall see how Mr Clean responds to those questions.
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« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2011, 11:51:31 PM »

first of all even dave magee knows bobby wouldnt steal his bike !! only morons  think thats true . 2nd, the storys that thre diamond guy is telling are  true. but that was 15 years ago!! do u know rod allums ??  hes not like that hes harmless. there is not enough mony being bet right now for race fixing at maywood
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« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2011, 11:52:00 PM »

Ira, would you EVER admit that a race was fixed? After all, you and Langley ARE pretty tight. The see no evil hear no evil thing.
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« Reply #24 on: August 22, 2011, 12:02:26 AM »

sure, back in the 80s a guy was gonna kill me and another guy  cause we wouldnt go dead !! but carmen a. told them to leave me alone!! there were fixed races all the time !! but not right now!! there is no crew !!  rod allums c,mon!! get real!!
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