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« on: April 26, 2006, 03:47:16 PM »

HB 1918 passed the house today.

http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=1918&GAID=8&GA=94&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=16735&SessionID=50
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« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2006, 04:13:21 PM »

Now the End of Harness racing in Illinois has begun! This was another piss poor peice of legislation! I hope the IHHA is happy they fell right into the trap set up by the track owners! Stupid Fu--s!
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« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2006, 04:46:50 PM »

Honest1,

As you know, we usually agree on BTW.  However, I wonder why you are so opposed to this piece of legislation.  HB 1917 obviously didn't have enough support to pass, this bill HB 1918 simply took of some of the southern boats in order to get further support.  The 3% from this bill is estimated to add 7 million in purses in Illinois.  Not great, but seems to be a stepping stone to what we need to get at.....and that in my opinion is alternative (slots) gambling at the tracks.  This bill has further brought the impact caused by the boats against racing community to the attention of the legislature. This legislation if it becomes law also gives the tracks and horseman additional leverage when negotiating for a slots bill.  We will give up this to get this.......

Honest, I know you don't like the agreement the IHHA has made with tracks regarding recapture.  You probably think it needs to be eliminated legislatively.....and you are right.  However, by not addressing the repeal of recapture in this bill it put the lobbying power of all horseman and tracks, both t-breds and harness, all on the same side.  This (the joining of the tracks and horseman lobbying power) would never happen regarding a piece of legislation that would repeal recapture.  So the deal the IHHA negotiated with the harness tracks is a complete waive of all future recapture in the form of a legally binding contract that runs as long as this legislation is law.  Again a step in the right direction.  When/if this (hopefully) future law ever ends then the IHHA will again have to deal with recapture....but then they may be in a better position to do so.

Respectfully,
RDUKE

P.S. Everyone begin calling your Senators immediately....they should be in their home districts now until the session re-opens next week.
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« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2006, 04:49:13 PM »


Great post, Rduke.  You are exactly right!!!
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« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2006, 04:52:08 PM »

Honest1 thinks there is some way to force the tracks to give up recapture for no tradeoff. He never said how that would be.
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« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2006, 04:55:19 PM »


Maybe he has Barbara Eden employed for him.
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« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2006, 05:19:11 PM »

The Bill still blows bigtime. The problem is that this is simply a bandaid.
It will not solve our problems and if it passes the senate, all of the legislators
will not address any horse racing legislation for the next five years.
By then, how many more horsemen will be busted or have moved on
to greener pastures. Do not call your legislators but if you do tell them to
vote NO! If you think a few hundred dollars per race is our cure, you must
really be a snapperhead.
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« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2006, 05:26:53 PM »

Honest1,

As you know, we usually agree on BTW.  However, I wonder why you are so opposed to this piece of legislation.  HB 1917 obviously didn't have enough support to pass, this bill HB 1918 simply took of some of the southern boats in order to get further support.  The 3% from this bill is estimated to add 7 million in purses in Illinois.  Not great, but seems to be a stepping stone to what we need to get at.....and that in my opinion is alternative (slots) gambling at the tracks.  This bill has further brought the impact caused by the boats against racing community to the attention of the legislature. This legislation if it becomes law also gives the tracks and horseman additional leverage when negotiating for a slots bill.  We will give up this to get this.......

Honest, I know you don't like the agreement the IHHA has made with tracks regarding recapture.  You probably think it needs to be eliminated legislatively.....and you are right.  However, by not addressing the repeal of recapture in this bill it put the lobbying power of all horseman and tracks, both t-breds and harness, all on the same side.  This (the joining of the tracks and horseman lobbying power) would never happen regarding a piece of legislation that would repeal recapture.  So the deal the IHHA negotiated with the harness tracks is a complete waive of all future recapture in the form of a legally binding contract that runs as long as this legislation is law.  Again a step in the right direction.  When/if this (hopefully) future law ever ends then the IHHA will again have to deal with recapture....but then they may be in a better position to do so.

Respectfully,
RDUKE

P.S. Everyone begin calling your Senators immediately....they should be in their home districts now until the session re-opens next week.

Thanks Duke,

Kenneth J. Chadwick 
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« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2006, 05:30:36 PM »

The Bill still blows bigtime. The problem is that this is simply a bandaid.
It will not solve our problems and if it passes the senate, all of the legislators
will not address any horse racing legislation for the next five years.
By then, how many more horsemen will be busted or have moved on
to greener pastures. Do not call your legislators but if you do tell them to
vote NO! If you think a few hundred dollars per race is our cure, you must
really be a snapperhead.


The language of the bill says that with this legislation purses could increase up to 50% and that does not count the waiving of recapture.  What I really like about it is that a portion of the tracks funds are to be used to improve the facilities......if this is regulated it could really be nice.

Sincerely,
Snapperhead
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« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2006, 06:04:56 PM »

Duke,

  I already dropped a note to Debbie Halvorson.  She has always been really easy to talk to and hopefully she will give us some support. 
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« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2006, 08:55:05 PM »

After we pay back the defered recapture ( we still owe over 16 million) there wont be any increases for purses! I cant support any legislation unless it eliminates recapture and with the agreement the IHHa has touted has to be suspect at best, after all everyone thought we had a signed contract. Not
Remember I have been in the sport for at least 35 years, I have never in all that time seen a good deal for the horseman so you have to understand why I am suspect to the deals.
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« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2006, 09:25:47 PM »

The recapture issue is still a mess, but look at it this way.  Boat casino gambling is like the New York Yankees.  Harness racing is like the Milwaukee Brewers.  This bill is revenue sharing.  It will never make it even, but it helps...a lot.  It is an absolute necessity and is really one of the only ways to help racing in the current gambling environment.

$16 million in back recapture is bad.  Having an additional $7 million per year in the coffers to deal with it is a major, major upgrade.
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« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2006, 11:49:10 PM »

Did you ever go to a car dealership, buy a car thinking you got a great deal then went home a realized that the great deal was not as good as it seemed!  Thats how I feel about this HB 1918!
First lets address RECAPTURE!
Why wasn't it eliminated in the bill!
Now people will say the IHHA have an agreement with track mgmt to wave it in the future but WHAT DID WE HAVE TO GIVE THEM in order for hem to agree to waive it! Anyone that has dealt with track mgmt in the passed knows that we don't get NOTHING without a price.
Next how much are we actually getting for our purse account?
We owe track mgmt alot of recapture money. Some of the projected revenue is suppose to come from the 10th riverboat which does not actually exist yet. To me it looks like track mgmt.will be rolling in money and we the horsemen wont be getting anything close to what we should be getting.
I would like to know EXACTLY what we gave track mgmt in this RECAPTURE AGREEMENT!  Anyone from the IHHA or someone who actually knows like to comment.
P.S.  congrats to track mgmt for winning again.
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« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2006, 11:52:24 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2006, 11:55:59 PM »

Do nothings the best plan. Dont take any deal. Keep rolling up recapture many more years so its $30 millions in the hole. Complain about all gift deal say its not good. Race for $200 purses waiting on best hand out from Springfield it will never come.
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« Reply #15 on: April 27, 2006, 07:42:59 AM »

Hey Richard that sounds like the same thing someone said in 1994 when recapture was introduced.
Hey this may be GREAT for the horseman but before you go throwing all your support to this bill break down the numbers!
Recapture should have been ELIMINATED in this bill but now it is still hanging over our heads!
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