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« on: July 25, 2011, 12:23:26 PM »

Nances forum is actually putting a member (Secretariat or Sea Biscuit) on "web trial" or trail as some members struggle with spelling. I kid you not, they are under the impression that they have some legal authority on the internet (other than simply removing his postings from their forums). I think this "Michigan Dale" idiot might be even stupider and immature than anyone could possibly imagine (seriously how old is this guy, he appears to be aound 10 or 11 mentally). I have no idea why these people are trying to go on a internet witch hunt/stunt, BUT if I were Secretariat I would actually talk to  a real attorney, and put the fear of god in them (if that was possible).
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2011, 12:44:14 PM »

Best part is if you believe that you are insane. Nance picked the trial date which is total BS. BS ARTIST GAMBLER AND SOTRY TELLER>
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 01:04:05 PM »

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That place seems to grow goofier by the week.

Maybe we could have our own web trail, against Tony Clifton, recent snoose convert, for "Crimes against pleasant breath".
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2011, 01:29:57 PM »

LOLOL

Who reads that crap. what am I supposed to go look now?

Ill pass.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2011, 01:32:55 PM »

Looks like you're over there already 3 Wide.  Grin

All thats missing is the Queen of Hearts screaming off with his head.
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2011, 02:03:03 PM »

Nance is lame. Not even worth the effort.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2011, 02:04:35 PM »

Nances forum is actually putting a member (Secretariat or Sea Biscuit) on "web trial" or trail as some members struggle with spelling. I kid you not, they are under the impression that they have some legal authority on the internet (other than simply removing his postings from their forums). I think this "Michigan Dale" idiot might be even stupider and immature than anyone could possibly imagine (seriously how old is this guy, he appears to be aound 10 or 11 mentally). I have no idea why these people are trying to go on a internet witch hunt/stunt, BUT if I were Secretariat I would actually talk to  a real attorney, and put the fear of god in them (if that was possible).
That's as ridiculous as the thread here saying the Burke stabled "killed" one of their horses.
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« Reply #7 on: July 25, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »

Looks like you're over there already 3 Wide.  Grin

All thats missing is the Queen of Hearts screaming off with his head.

I was waiting for the other fake site to announce Barrack Obama as their latest member.
complete with 15 names saying how excited they are. 5 of which incarnations of me and you.


The clown aspects of the forums could be funny. If they would just stick to being clowns and not get into some of the distasteful stuff they seem to dwell on.
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« Reply #8 on: July 25, 2011, 03:09:17 PM »

I was waiting for the other fake site to announce Barrack Obama as their latest member.
complete with 15 names saying how excited they are. 5 of which incarnations of me and you.


The clown aspects of the forums could be funny. If they would just stick to being clowns and not get into some of the distasteful stuff they seem to dwell on.
The lies about horsemen are here as well.
Just look at the thread claiming the Burke stable "killed" one of their horses.
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« Reply #9 on: July 25, 2011, 03:22:22 PM »

The lies about horsemen are here as well.
Just look at the thread claiming the Burke stable "killed" one of their horses.

But least some reputable people are here to stick up for reputable horseman.

Basically I was banned (thank god a long time ago) for sticking up for horseman there.
Big difference.
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« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2011, 03:29:26 PM »

Nances forum is actually putting a member (Secretariat or Sea Biscuit) on "web trial" or trail as some members struggle with spelling.

"AOCDRNDICG TO RSCHEEARCH AT CMABRIGDE UINERVTISY, IT DSENO'T MTAETR WAHT OERDR THE LTTERES IN A WROD ARE, THE OLNY IPROAMTNT TIHNG IS TAHT THE FRSIT AND LSAT LTTEER BE IN THE RGHIT PCLAE. TIHS IS BCUSEAE THE HUAMN MNID DEOS NOT RAED ERVEY LTETER BY ISTLEF, BUT THE WROD AS A WLOHE."
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« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2011, 03:33:22 PM »

"AOCDRNDICG TO RSCHEEARCH AT CMABRIGDE UINERVTISY, IT DSENO'T MTAETR WAHT OERDR THE LTTERES IN A WROD ARE, THE OLNY IPROAMTNT TIHNG IS TAHT THE FRSIT AND LSAT LTTEER BE IN THE RGHIT PCLAE. TIHS IS BCUSEAE THE HUAMN MNID DEOS NOT RAED ERVEY LTETER BY ISTLEF, BUT THE WROD AS A WLOHE."

Absolutely  why are you such an avid supporter there.   
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2011, 03:34:22 PM »

Absolutely  why are you such an avid supporter there.   
I DONT EVEN READ DANS SITE ANYMORE
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« Reply #13 on: July 26, 2011, 04:03:26 PM »

"AOCDRNDICG TO RSCHEEARCH AT CMABRIGDE UINERVTISY, IT DSENO'T MTAETR WAHT OERDR THE LTTERES IN A WROD ARE, THE OLNY IPROAMTNT TIHNG IS TAHT THE FRSIT AND LSAT LTTEER BE IN THE RGHIT PCLAE. TIHS IS BCUSEAE THE HUAMN MNID DEOS NOT RAED ERVEY LTETER BY ISTLEF, BUT THE WROD AS A WLOHE."
Ed you are the only poster that makes any sense any more.!!!!!!
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2011, 10:48:22 AM »

"AOCDRNDICG TO RSCHEEARCH AT CMABRIGDE UINERVTISY, IT DSENO'T MTAETR WAHT OERDR THE LTTERES IN A WROD ARE, THE OLNY IPROAMTNT TIHNG IS TAHT THE FRSIT AND LSAT LTTEER BE IN THE RGHIT PCLAE. TIHS IS BCUSEAE THE HUAMN MNID DEOS NOT RAED ERVEY LTETER BY ISTLEF, BUT THE WROD AS A WLOHE."

How impressive!!  You have a hidden talent!! trophy
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2011, 07:00:31 PM »

WOW!!! What a sham! Not only is the Nance clowns Judge, Jury and Executioner they're pulling out their troll names to bash the member then add in Zahnance, it's a no win proposition. Why the member is even bothering to try and defend his self is beyond me. Definately not worth it. I see what he's attempting to do but the Nance Cult followers will not allow it. This is better than Abbott & ***. laughing guy
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« Reply #16 on: July 27, 2011, 07:39:27 PM »

I THINK THERE DOING A GREAT JOB. IF POSTER IS FOUND NOT GUILTY HE CAN KEEP POSTING THIS IS VERY FAIR.YES ITS EASY TO JUST BAN HIM. BUT IF HE INNOCENT HES BEEN A GOOD POSTER.CLASS PLACE TO TAKE THE TIME NOT TO BE WRONG. BASH SOMEWERE ELSE IS ALL THEY ARE SAYING . BUT NOT THERE.
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« Reply #17 on: July 27, 2011, 07:58:40 PM »

 A real class place.  laughing guy Go back to the N a n ce cult where you belong. the hard truth wouldn't know the truth if it bit em in the ass
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« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2011, 12:07:58 AM »

How many names did Namce net detecitives say I am. Tom Wendt. IRB employees. janine. There wrong everytime. How many di thay say for burton.

Wrong eveyr timne. This is the prosecuters at the web tiral and experts of circumstail evidence.

ROFL.
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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2011, 05:29:16 AM »

Read Trotter 08 at that place, that guy is dumber than a Hog! Talk about a butt kisser, he leads the league~~~~~~~~~~
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« Reply #20 on: July 28, 2011, 08:40:25 AM »

He's almost as bad as Pugland was!
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« Reply #21 on: July 28, 2011, 08:41:39 AM »

Trotter08 is retarded and has been involved in race fixing.    That whole site are ruiners of racing.   Juicers, non payers, race fixers.   That's all he has left.  Only slime post there.  There were a couple i thought might be okay but they too must be slime as well.
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« Reply #22 on: July 28, 2011, 08:41:51 AM »

*** Dance is using 40 aliases to hold the trial.
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« Reply #23 on: July 28, 2011, 08:55:12 AM »

How many names did Namce net detecitives say I am. Tom Wendt. IRB employees. janine. There wrong everytime. How many di thay say for burton.

Wrong eveyr timne. This is the prosecuters at the web tiral and experts of circumstail evidence.

ROFL.

Deflation of character said it all. Naming the trial date proves the brains of these 2 idiots.
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« Reply #24 on: July 28, 2011, 09:38:52 AM »

Hard to believe someone would be so obsessed with what others write about them on other forums that they'd spend so much time and go to such lengths to dig up and copy all that "evidence". Must be nearly a full time job.

Furthermore, having dug up all those derogatory statements, that they'd reprint them on their own forum for one and all to read.

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« Reply #25 on: July 28, 2011, 09:42:14 AM »

He is doing everything including using all the aliases. he craves attention and dumb gamblers looking for help from con men.
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« Reply #26 on: July 28, 2011, 09:46:38 AM »

He is doing everything including using all the aliases. he craves attention and dumb gamblers looking for help from con men.

Are there any "good sites" for gamblers looking for help? Does that sort of thing exist?
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2011, 09:47:23 AM »

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2011, 09:54:11 AM »

Are there any "good sites" for gamblers looking for help? Does that sort of thing exist?
I don't know about looking for help but LL has many fine handicappers who comment on many of the tracks.
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2011, 09:59:15 AM »

Are there any "good sites" for gamblers looking for help? Does that sort of thing exist?

How do you mean "looking for help"?

Buying someone else's picks is really no help, unless you absolutely stink. If the picks were really big time money-makers, the selector would be keeping them to himself and taking all the money out of the pools. You don't see the really big, successful gamblers like Randy Gallo or Dana Parham selling their picks.

There are a number of sites where one can learn and discuss handicapping and wagering theory, in order to get better at making picks for themself. The most popular one I know is the paceadvantage forum, at least for tbreds. It's also run with an iron fist to keep the nonsense down to a dull roar.  Cheesy
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« Reply #30 on: July 28, 2011, 10:00:37 AM »

Maybe you guys can answer this question for me since the two of you are obviously more schooled in the whole gambling thing that I am.

When people go to these sites, are they purchasing actual picks or just tips on betting in general?

If they are just buying a sheet with some other person's picks, and using those numbers to bet, doesn't that remove the whole idea behind being a handicapper? Isn't the whole idea to handicap the fields yourself and then make your own bet? Or is their a black and white separation between "handicappers" and just plan "bettors."
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« Reply #31 on: July 28, 2011, 10:03:27 AM »

How do you mean "looking for help"?

Buying someone else's picks is really no help, unless you absolutely stink. If the picks were really big time money-makers, the selector would be keeping them to himself and taking all the money out of the pools. You don't see the really big, successful gamblers like Randy Gallo or Dana Parham selling their picks.

There are a number of sites where one can learn and discuss handicapping and wagering theory, in order to get better at making picks for themself. The most popular one I know is the paceadvantage forum, at least for tbreds. It's also run with an iron fist to keep the nonsense down to a dull roar.  Cheesy

This is what I am trying to understand, Terry. I always see people mentioning these sites and I'm not clear on whether or not they are just purchasing someone else's picks or actually get some sort of guidance on stradegies and the such.

Do the people that sell picks benefit from having a ton of other people playing the exact same numbers? Does it effect the pools and such?
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« Reply #32 on: July 28, 2011, 10:06:29 AM »

Are there any "good sites" for gamblers looking for help? Does that sort of thing exist?
Yes the very best is theLightninglane. Hoberz bello and kirkwood and pezz give a basic clinic every day.
Greatest bunch of handicappers on any sight and real nice guys.
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« Reply #33 on: July 28, 2011, 10:13:51 AM »

Yes the very best is theLightninglane. Hoberz bello and kirkwood and pezz give a basic clinic every day.
Greatest bunch of handicappers on any sight and real nice guys.
So are we, we're just a little looser!
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« Reply #34 on: July 28, 2011, 10:15:51 AM »

Yes the very best is theLightninglane. Hoberz bello and kirkwood and pezz give a basic clinic every day.
Greatest bunch of handicappers on any sight and real nice guys.
All quite intelligent and well spoken.
Another plus is they don't cry fix every time they lose a wager.
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« Reply #35 on: July 28, 2011, 10:17:35 AM »

Maybe you guys can answer this question for me since the two of you are obviously more schooled in the whole gambling thing that I am.

When people go to these sites, are they purchasing actual picks or just tips on betting in general?

I don't have first hand experience in buying "picks" from many sites, but I understand that at the site in question in this thread, it is just a sheet of paper (email?) with 4 or 5 numpers per race, and it's up to you how to bet them. Other, more long established websites, like BRIS, sell picks and selections, too. The only one I ever bought was "The Wizard" for some "big race" days, and it  wasn't all that accurate, but it gives you things to think about. It runs down each race and discuss several horses the guy thinks look good, and why, and you decide what to do - kind of like you see locally in the tbred programs from people like Ron Uchman and Joe Kristufek, et al. But more expensive. Cheesy  I understand from HV on the tbred side that the premium TG numbers/stats sheets also provide selections now (?) but that is a whole handicapping package, not just blind selection numbers.

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If they are just buying a sheet with some other person's picks, and using those numbers to bet, doesn't that remove the whole idea behind being a handicapper? Isn't the whole idea to handicap the fields yourself and then make your own bet?

Yes. That's the general idea for most players, and the reward, of being smarter than the other guy and "doing it yourself".

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Or is their a black and white separation between "handicappers" and just plan "bettors."

There are a lot of guys who are fairly addicted to betting horses, but just stink as handicappers. You see them at the track religiously consulting the selections cut out of the newspaper, or the $2 tip sheets from the program stand. IMHO buying someone else's numbers is for them. They're desperately looking for some way to cut the losses.
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« Reply #36 on: July 28, 2011, 10:19:02 AM »

Fuzzy lets not get carried away. Bello does well the others take stabs and miss frequently.   Is not a clinic.

I am the same way and only brag to Burton because he says its better then Viagra.
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« Reply #37 on: July 28, 2011, 10:26:25 AM »

Do the people that sell picks benefit from having a ton of other people playing the exact same numbers?

Well, yes ... they sold them the numbers.

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Does it effect the pools and such?

It might, if they only provided one selection, and it was regularly accurate. But when you're selling a list of 4 or 5 numbers per race, it's sort of like those guys who used to frequent the grandstand floor at many racetracks and walk around giving "tips" on horses that were bound to win the next race because the stable was shipping out the next day and needed traveling money ... and then went to the next guy to give a totally different horse! Yet your pick won somehow, you can claim victory, and it doesn't really affect the pools.
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« Reply #38 on: July 28, 2011, 10:44:58 AM »

So are we, we're just a little looser!
Exactly and the forum moderator isn't trolling other sites like josh or applying Gestapo tactics! THANKS JANINE! thumbs up thumbs up beer
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« Reply #39 on: July 28, 2011, 10:47:31 AM »

Fuzzy lets not get carried away. Bello does well the others take stabs and miss frequently.   Is not a clinic.

I am the same way and only brag to Burton because he says its better then Viagra.

Exactly Juice! Gallo is great if you wanna know who to toss as he picks one winner a year. Mountaineer and Kirkwood Vic are both good guys and pick value rather than chalk. Proud to call Vic a friend. beer
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« Reply #40 on: July 28, 2011, 11:38:55 AM »

Thank you H&BT for the answers to my question.

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« Reply #41 on: July 28, 2011, 12:22:59 PM »

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« Reply #42 on: July 28, 2011, 01:46:11 PM »

So are we, we're just a little looser!

Vegas now we are not loosers "like a long neck goose oh baby thats what i like."

We just make deposits and withdraws.
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« Reply #43 on: July 28, 2011, 03:36:23 PM »

Vegas now we are not loosers "like a long neck goose oh baby thats what i like."

We just make deposits and withdraws.

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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2011, 05:24:05 PM »

The part I didn't understand about that whole trial was they were prosecuting this Secretariat for false defamation of character or something like that, calling them Snake Oil Salesmen, etc. But when they banned Pigland, didn't they admit all their talk about what a big customer he was, and all the money he won, was just a series of lies to try and sell more numbers? In other words, Snake Oil? Seems to me like their judge should have declared a mistrial up front based on groundless charges.
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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2011, 05:42:35 PM »

The part I didn't understand about that whole trial was they were prosecuting this Secretariat for false defamation of character or something like that, calling them Snake Oil Salesmen, etc. But when they banned Pigland, didn't they admit all their talk about what a big customer he was, and all the money he won, was just a series of lies to try and sell more numbers? In other words, Snake Oil? Seems to me like their judge should have declared a mistrial up front based on groundless charges.
What does that make pigman?
Snake oil HuhHuh??
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2011, 05:51:35 PM »

I always thought you needed character before it was defamed. Watching what went on there and the editing of Secretarials post it just shows me they will stoop to the lowest of levels. I actually copied and pasted Secretarials original post for nothing more than being able to read it before it was deleted or what I figured could possibly be worse. I find it funny that the admin would come on and say it was not edited. Well, I have the original post. Anybody who has seen my posts here, Sphere or LL knows I'm not a trash and bash type. I just like to have fun and throw my 2 cents in on occasion. No reason whatsoever to bash that site but after what I've seen on that site the last few days all I can say is WOW!!!!

Did Heather Moffett actually join that site?  What is she thinking??
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2011, 10:12:20 PM »

I admit  read different picks.
One very important think I would like to bring up.
Their is a big differenct in handicapping and knowing how I will repat how to gamble selections.
Beaver Van Pelt at Calexpo is one of the best I have ever seen at both.
Their is an owner friend of mine that is an incredable gambler and knowing how to gamble.
Another trainer I know is very good at handicapping, like i say apples and oranges.
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« Reply #48 on: July 29, 2011, 12:47:04 AM »

I admit  read different picks.
One very important think I would like to bring up.
Their is a big differenct in handicapping and knowing how I will repat how to gamble selections.
Beaver Van Pelt at Calexpo is one of the best I have ever seen at both.
Their is an owner friend of mine that is an incredable gambler and knowing how to gamble.
Another trainer I know is very good at handicapping, like i say apples and oranges.

It's all about money management, some great capers have gone broke not being able to control their money~~~~~~~
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« Reply #49 on: July 29, 2011, 01:29:00 AM »

It's all about money management, some great capers have gone broke not being able to control their money~~~~~~~

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« Reply #50 on: July 29, 2011, 05:45:11 AM »

It's all about money management, some great capers have gone broke not being able to control their money~~~~~~~

Bigger issue is having DISCIPLINE.
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« Reply #51 on: July 29, 2011, 05:49:03 AM »

Bigger issue is having DISCIPLINE.
Discipline is money management~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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« Reply #52 on: July 29, 2011, 05:58:59 AM »

It is somthing I have never been able to master.
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« Reply #53 on: July 29, 2011, 06:11:49 AM »

It is somthing I have never been able to master.
I'm with you, the last race of the night it all go's!
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« Reply #54 on: July 29, 2011, 06:59:09 AM »

Discipline is money management~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I couldnt agree with you more.
but when I say a master at gambling it is where to put key horses in exotics and pick 3 4 6.
That is what I too mean by gambling.
I have seen this guy hit so many big tri's and supers and have it many times.
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« Reply #55 on: July 29, 2011, 07:03:09 AM »

Discipline is money management~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Disagree 100% Money management is the amount you want to wager on a specific race and discipline is going for an entire card and not making one bet if you don't like anything. Big Difference.
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« Reply #56 on: July 29, 2011, 08:02:23 AM »

Disagree 100% Money management is the amount you want to wager on a specific race and discipline is going for an entire card and not making one bet if you don't like anything. Big Difference.

excellent Fluke--i am one of the most sickening chalk-eaters you will ever meet--but i pick my spots very carefully and have been known to sit out cards in their entirety--contrary to popular belief
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« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2011, 08:09:05 AM »

excellent Fluke--i am one of the most sickening chalk-eaters you will ever meet--but i pick my spots very carefully and have been known to sit out cards in their entirety--contrary to popular belief

You saw me bet and know I have no problem waitng for a race or not making one play.
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« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2011, 08:13:15 AM »

i wanna see you make bets on Hambo Day--live and in person

yes--i saw your discipline
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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2011, 08:14:57 AM »

i wanna see you make bets on Hambo Day--live and in person

yes--i saw your discipline

Got some people from BTW coming that I will be meeting hopefully.
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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2011, 08:21:58 AM »

Got some people from BTW coming that I will be meeting hopefully.

maybe we can start a "site " war--i should be meeting some Harnessphere and LL members also
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« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2011, 08:22:55 AM »

maybe we can start a "site " war--i should be meeting some Harnessphere and LL members also

No interest in Bello, Broussard, Josh or Abetts
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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2011, 08:31:42 AM »

have no fear--they wont be here
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« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2011, 08:46:35 AM »

have no fear--they wont be here
So I HEAR! laughing guy
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