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« on: May 20, 2011, 12:53:02 PM »

I don't have a problem with Sam's show wagering. It's the boasting and bragging that bothers me, not to mention the fact that he doesn't offer all of the necessary information at times.

Something stands out so here goes.

Tioga, Sunday May 22, race 6, post 3, See You At Peelers

$1,000 show in the contest

I would be surprised if there wasn't at least $400,000 wagered on her in the pool. The program does not say no show wagering and she may go off at the same mutual for win and show, might get lucky and get $2.40 to win but that's about it.

She's undefeated and mostly unasked, her first qualifier was in 1.53.1 and her next qualifier was a statement win by 4 3/4 in 1.52.2 unasked.

Her competition in this race is Miss Annie J from the rail who was mostly parked the mile in her last and finished a well beaten 4th and she wasn't that good at the end of last year chasing See You At Peelers but then nobody was. Swinging Beauty is well bred but she will be getting her first look and loss at and by See You At Peelers.

Character Flaw was huge last week off very fast fractions but the best horse outside of her is What's New *** whose game isn't on the front end, so who will go to the lead and get spent chasing See You At Peelers? Character Flaw had 26.1 and 55.2 fractions to close into last week going for $52,324 in the Simpson, this race is only for $12,500 for the right to finish 2nd through 4th and qualify for entry in the $200,000 plus final next week.

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« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2011, 02:32:47 PM »

IT'S AMAZING PEOPLE MADE FUN OF HOW I BET THEN THEY DO THE SAME screwy
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« Reply #2 on: May 20, 2011, 02:38:56 PM »

IT'S AMAZING PEOPLE MADE FUN OF HOW I BET THEN THEY DO THE SAME screwy

read the first paragraph of what I wrote above
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« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2011, 02:48:10 PM »

i can find serveal posts where you made fun of the way i make money betting   now you are doing the same   
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« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2011, 03:04:33 PM »

i can find serveal posts where you made fun of the way i make money betting   now you are doing the same   

not making fun of you

the horse is facing one of the weakest fields she will face all year in my opinion

can't believe there is show wagering
 
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« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2011, 03:08:08 PM »

welcome to the world of macdaddi/ sam  the place to make money dollar dollar dollar
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« Reply #6 on: May 20, 2011, 03:37:26 PM »

welcome to the world of macdaddi/ sam  the place to make money dollar dollar dollar

I don't necessarily agree with your strategy but if it works for you so be it

this is a special circumstance for my wagering, know the horse and her competition in this race appears to be less than she faced at the end of last season and she made a statement in her last qualifier
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« Reply #7 on: May 20, 2011, 05:09:57 PM »

interested in sam  MY NUMBER 1 FAN
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« Reply #8 on: May 20, 2011, 05:28:58 PM »

welcome to the world of macdaddi/ sam  the place to make money dollar dollar dollar

Sam,

I rarely bet show but this horse is an exception and is in easy. Who is going to beat her?

There are better ways to make money than at 1 - 9 in my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2011, 11:39:27 AM »

change wager to place as there is no show wagering
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« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2011, 12:52:27 PM »


I would be surprised if there wasn't at least $400,000 wagered on her in the pool. The program does not say no show wagering and she may go off at the same mutual for win and show, might get lucky and get $2.40 to win but that's about it.

You are a cockeyed optimist Harry.   Smiley  I say over/under is $50k.  There was only $4k on Shadyshark Hanover yesterday and he was as much a cinch in the field he was in.
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« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2011, 03:46:57 PM »

unlike someone else who may have posted the same selection on this horse not too far from post time, may not have listed the full name of the horse or the racetrack, race number or post position, I posted this selection 2 days early in case anyone was interested

I wonder if he calls in a horse on the phone and names the track?

anyway, not to watse any more my time on other people, she won and set the track record and held it for a few races until it was broken

I won't brag about getting $2.10, in fact I find it embarassing to brag over winning a wager or anything else, the richest people I know don't have much money, they have people who care about them, families and their health, MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING

I made a bet (really made it) and netted $50.00 and the profits won't even fill up my gas tank

plus $200 in the contest 

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« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2011, 06:52:42 PM »

You are a cockeyed optimist Harry.   Smiley  I say over/under is $50k.  There was only $4k on Shadyshark Hanover yesterday and he was as much a cinch in the field he was in.

Boy was I wrong.  thumbs down  $6k was all that was bet on her...
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« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2011, 09:19:28 PM »

Boy was I wrong.  thumbs down  $6k was all that was bet on her...


the bottom line was she won easily, everything else doesn't really matter, I was only trying to find a winner
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« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2011, 01:26:10 AM »

90% of the pool in real life was mine
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« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2011, 03:50:44 AM »

harry bet 2 dollars to show  but no show betting laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2011, 05:20:13 AM »

unlike someone else who may have posted the same selection on this horse not too far from post time, may not have listed the full name of the horse or the racetrack, race number or post position, I posted this selection 2 days early in case anyone was interested

I wonder if he calls in a horse on the phone and names the track?

anyway, not to watse any more my time on other people, she won and set the track record and held it for a few races until it was broken

I won't brag about getting $2.10, in fact I find it embarassing to brag over winning a wager or anything else, the richest people I know don't have much money, they have people who care about them, families and their health, MONEY ISN'T EVERYTHING

I made a bet (really made it) and netted $50.00 and the profits won't even fill up my gas tank

plus $200 in the contest 

wow 50 smackers that means you bet a grand okay i bet 4500 and the pool was 6600 so the rest of the world bet1100 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
tell the truth you bet 2 dollars in monopoly money laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2011, 07:29:46 AM »

Sam,

You talk big but talk is cheap.

You offered the following comments in my thread and I will respond to them and allow you to back up your comments:

"90% of the pool in real life was mine"

"harry bet 2 dollars to show  but no show betting"

"wow 50 smackers that means you bet a grand okay i bet 4500 and the pool was 6600 so the rest of the world bet1100"

"tell the truth you bet 2 dollars in monopoly money"

First you claimed I wagered $2.00 on the horse to show and then you offered 90% of the pool was yours and I claimed $1,000 in the contest.

Time for facts and for you to back up your comments.

I nearly emptied my off track wagering account on See You At Peelers yesterday as I didn't believe the horse could lose. I saw her at 1 - 9 nearly all the time before the race and I thought if I wagered to win she would pay $2.10 so instead of wagering against myself at a track I believe has small pools to win, I wagered to place as I did in the contest.

You claim that 90% of the place pool was yours and I believe I wagered $1,300 to place. While I claimed $1,000 in the contest, I didn't wish to post I increased my wager like you go boasting about how much you wagered after the fact. The extra wager netted me an extra $15.00, hardly anything worth bragging about. By the way, my post was 2 days in advance, not what, 30 minutes to post, and I at least had the decency to list the date, name of the track, race number and post position. If you truly cared about the others who post in this section the goal should be to allow others who follow people who win to profit, not hide wagers posted near post time of the race, isn't that the spirit of the contest, to allow others to profit?

If your comment is true that "90% of the pool in real life was mine" and my wager in the real pool was only $1,000 and the total pool was $6,600, my wager was at least 15% of the pool.
 
I'll bet you $10,000 (money put in escrow with respected horse attorney Howard Taylor) that I wagered AT LEAST $1,000 to place ($1,000 place bet or more) on See You At Peelers yesterday through my Nassau Downs OTB account on this on horse on May 22, 2011. A computer printout will verify my wager. You're a big talker Sam and I believe you are either lying or wrong in your comments above.

Back up your claims or shut up.

Talk is cheap. If you believe I didn't wager this amount beat me out of $10,000, I dare you to. I'll gladly call Mr. Taylor.

I believe you won't back up your claims. 
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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2011, 09:54:15 AM »

harry welcolm to the world of big betting  it takes balls to bet thousands

it is not betting 50 dollarsI I BET THOUSANDS ON A RACE
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« Reply #19 on: May 23, 2011, 09:57:39 AM »

HARRY YOU ARE A LIAR THE WHOLE POOL WAS ME
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« Reply #20 on: May 23, 2011, 10:27:51 AM »

HARRY YOU ARE A LIAR THE WHOLE POOL WAS ME

Sam,

Put up or shut up, $10,000 is the wager.

Call me a liar but too chicken to bet, what's with that?

Chicken!
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« Reply #21 on: May 23, 2011, 10:28:56 AM »

harry welcolm to the world of big betting  it takes balls to bet thousands

it is not betting 50 dollarsI I BET THOUSANDS ON A RACE

few care what you say you do, I don't

put up or shut up

$10,000!
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« Reply #22 on: May 23, 2011, 11:23:01 AM »

for someone who called me an outright liar I offered a $10,000 wager to prove it

funds in escrow to a well respected lawyer in escrow to make the decision

talk is cheap

put up or shut up

everyone respects the lawyer I mentioned
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« Reply #23 on: May 23, 2011, 02:26:43 PM »

post it tuff guy you are a 2 dollar guy
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« Reply #24 on: May 23, 2011, 02:30:22 PM »

post it tuff guy you are a 2 dollar guy

I don't have to prove anything to you

you called me a liar, call me on the wager, see who people respect

chicken!

you scream you make tons wagering and called me a liar

back it up or shut up already

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« Reply #25 on: May 23, 2011, 06:22:31 PM »

post your pick i will you are   show your 2 dollar bet laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #26 on: May 23, 2011, 06:29:44 PM »

show your 1000 bet i bet 4500 you  bet what   the pool bwasd 6000


monopoly money laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #27 on: May 23, 2011, 11:19:34 PM »

Harry, you seem like an upstanding guy who tells the truth here. Usually I wouldn't jump into a topic that doesnt involve me, but enough is enough with this guys BS on claiming to make huge wagers on horses. Its time for him to face the music that he is full of crap. The pool was $6,550 and 4 grand of it was mine.

This was my wager on See You At Peelers Sunday at Tioga and it was wagered with HPI in Canada. I received no points for this wager and do not get a rebate as it is a $2.10 payoff. I made $200 for my wager.

05/22/2011  3:04:56 PM (EDT)  Bet  Tioga, Race 6, $4000.00 PLC 3  $200.00  $4200.00  02787456718510 

This is a snapshot of the pools off of HPI website

Pgm # Horse Win Odds Win Pool % Place Pool % Show Pool %   

1 Miss Annie J  25  $120  3.0  $96  1.3  $0     
2 Swinging Beauty  19  $162  4.1  $151  2.0  $0     
3 See You At Peelers  1/9  $2,862  72.0  $6,550  88.7  $0     
4 Character Flaw  4  $643  16.2  $307  4.2  $0     
5 Sight to See  80  $41  1.0  $50  0.7  $0     
6 Jk Geronimo  99  $27  0.7  $50  0.7  $0     
7 Whats New ***  40  $82  2.1  $128  1.7  $0     
8 Winbak Corazon  90  $34  0.9  $50  0.7  $0     
  Pool Totals   $3,975    $7,384    $0


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« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2011, 06:03:49 AM »

another guy trying to prove me wrong  actually the pool was 6660 when i last checked nice cut and paste


 
 
 
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Date Serial # Description Amount Selection Total Type Credit Amt Refund Amt Result
05/22/2011 06:26:31  90778732496463  Saratoga Harness 1 $500.00  3  $500.00  Win  $525.00    W  
05/22/2011 09:28:13    Rewards for 05/21/2011     $48.00  Account adjustment        
05/22/2011 09:40:44  84243685382240  Tioga Downs 1 $2.00  2  $2.00  Show  $0.00  $2.00  C  
05/22/2011 14:42:21  64612698027382  Tioga Downs 6 $1000.00  3  $1000.00  Place  $550.00    W  
05/22/2011 14:55:15  60322114684503  Tioga Downs 6 $1000.00  3  $1000.00  Place  $550.00    W  
05/22/2011 15:14:35  10396382640046  Scioto Downs 8 $400.00  1  $400.00  Show  $420.00    W  
05/23/2011 09:22:45  


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« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2011, 06:52:50 AM »

Harry, you seem like an upstanding guy who tells the truth here. Usually I wouldn't jump into a topic that doesnt involve me, but enough is enough with this guys BS on claiming to make huge wagers on horses. Its time for him to face the music that he is full of crap. The pool was $6,550 and 4 grand of it was mine.

This was my wager on See You At Peelers Sunday at Tioga and it was wagered with HPI in Canada. I received no points for this wager and do not get a rebate as it is a $2.10 payoff. I made $200 for my wager.

05/22/2011  3:04:56 PM (EDT)  Bet  Tioga, Race 6, $4000.00 PLC 3  $200.00  $4200.00  02787456718510 

This is a snapshot of the pools off of HPI website

Pgm # Horse Win Odds Win Pool % Place Pool % Show Pool %   

1 Miss Annie J  25  $120  3.0  $96  1.3  $0     
2 Swinging Beauty  19  $162  4.1  $151  2.0  $0     
3 See You At Peelers  1/9  $2,862  72.0  $6,550  88.7  $0     
4 Character Flaw  4  $643  16.2  $307  4.2  $0     
5 Sight to See  80  $41  1.0  $50  0.7  $0     
6 Jk Geronimo  99  $27  0.7  $50  0.7  $0     
7 Whats New ***ycat  40  $82  2.1  $128  1.7  $0     
8 Winbak Corazon  90  $34  0.9  $50  0.7  $0     
  Pool Totals   $3,975    $7,384    $0





Mr. Incredible Shadow,

I don't lie. It's easy to cut and paste in order to modify or amplify data to prove a point but hard copy computer printouts from official OTB sources can't be fudged. Money talks and BS walks. I was called a liar and immediately offered a $10,000 wager with the funds held in escrow by the well regarded, highly respected horse attorney that everyone knows. Still the offer falls on deaf ears. If the man believes his own BS he'll take the wager but he won't because he knows he'll lose.

I will now up the ante:

Sam,

You called me a liar, said I didn't wager AT LEAST $1,000 to place on See You At Peelers. I once again offer a $10,000 wager with the funds held in escrow by attorney Howard Taylor. The winner of the wager gets his $10,000 returned to him. The loser's funds get sent to the Standardbred Retirement Foundation (SRF).

I believe you're all talk. Back up your big talk already. You called me a liar, I made the wager. Shut up and apologize already or be a man and take the bet!
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« Reply #30 on: May 24, 2011, 08:55:30 AM »

05/22/2011 06:26:31  90778732496463  Saratoga Harness 1 $500.00  3  $500.00  Win  $525.00    W 
05/22/2011 09:28:13    Rewards for 05/21/2011     $48.00  Account adjustment       
05/22/2011 09:40:44  84243685382240  Tioga Downs 1 $2.00  2  $2.00  Show  $0.00  $2.00  C 
05/22/2011 14:42:21  64612698027382  Tioga Downs 6 $1000.00  3  $1000.00  Place  $550.00    W 
05/22/2011 14:55:15  60322114684503  Tioga Downs 6 $1000.00  3  $1000.00  Place  $550.00    W 
05/22/2011 15:14:35  10396382640046  Scioto Downs 8 $400.00  1  $400.00  Show  $420.00    W 
05/23/2011 09:22:45

First off the pool was in fact $6,550 in Canadian funds to place and I will throw up 5 grand against yours to prove it.

Secondly, I am supposed to believe that at 6:26 AM you wagered $500 to win on Lorenzos Dream. What site is open for betting at that time ?

3rd, you claim to always wait until the last minute to bet, what guy bets at 6:26AM on a race at 1:30PM?

You are so full of it that you are lucky you haven't drowned. Please come back to the real world pal because you  seriously need get a life.

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« Reply #31 on: May 24, 2011, 08:56:24 AM »

you are doing great

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« Reply #32 on: May 24, 2011, 08:59:15 AM »

 thumbs up (u)you are amazing   keep it up thumbs up
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« Reply #33 on: May 24, 2011, 09:06:35 AM »

like sgt friday  just the facts   i have been thru 5 yrs and like niatroll i will post the facts and you will go away


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« Reply #34 on: May 24, 2011, 09:21:16 AM »

Facts are, you are full of crap.
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« Reply #35 on: May 24, 2011, 10:00:14 AM »

COPYAND PASTE     WHAT IS YOUR ACCOUNT NUMBER
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« Reply #36 on: May 24, 2011, 10:24:00 AM »

and i lie  about my account number laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #37 on: May 24, 2011, 10:25:13 AM »

5 yrs and still another guy
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« Reply #38 on: May 24, 2011, 11:35:54 AM »

I can outwager your show ass anytime anyplace

you called me a liar and said I didn't make the bet

you were challenged with a $10,000 bet and while you boast and brag about how many dimes you're earning, you are too scared to take the bet

listen Mr. acting like a chicken (bwalk, bwalk, bwalk), either take the wager ($10,000) or apologize and admit you were wrong

and stop acting you're better than anyone, post the whole wager long before post time, not a name without a track, race or post, if you have the balls to select a horse, call it out

you make people dislike you in my opinion

and don't tell me to stop preaching until you act more normal, everyone else lists the whole wager Mr. TOO CHICKEN TO TAKE THE BET
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« Reply #39 on: May 24, 2011, 12:34:21 PM »

wow the hate   relax we are only talking horses    it is a long yr   


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« Reply #40 on: May 24, 2011, 01:56:21 PM »

wow the hate   relax we are only talking horses    it is a long yr  


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did you take down your bragging post again?

how much can you brag?

enough is enough
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