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« Reply #25 on: April 28, 2011, 09:14:57 AM »

you'd have to ask john1492, seems as if he wants to tar and feather the outrider.

Vapor,
I just posted my reply.
Not meant to be a personal attact on anyone.
Something is wrong with the method of ambuance access.
Hopefully someone from the track management will read this post and make changes.
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« Reply #26 on: April 28, 2011, 09:15:12 AM »

Yes Mare !!
In my haste to post this event, I incorrectly named the wrong person, and I admitted that.
The rest of the statement, however is accurate.
Bottom line is the system is bad, and if what you say is correct, you lose precious seconds in responding to the drivers needs.
Seconds could cost lives, and if Terry has to open the gate to let the ambulance into the track, seconds are lost.
There are better ways to allow the ambulance to quickly obtain access into the track. One for example is a remote controlled hand held device in the ambulance drivers possession, which works with an unlocking system installed on the gate.
Quicker and better for all concerned.
maybe this suggestion might be made to the Pocono powers that be rather than here.  You seem to be a regular and would have someones ear.  Or else tell PigL he has their ear, I am sure.    
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« Reply #27 on: April 28, 2011, 09:37:59 AM »

Yes Mare !!
In my haste to post this event, I incorrectly named the wrong person, and I admitted that.
The rest of the statement, however is accurate.

The outrider never moved till at least 5 minutes after the accident.
[. . . ]This outrider must go !!!!

Really???
[. . . ] my reporting was 100% accurate, as I was watching the outrider to see how quickly he would respond.
Terry may be a good outrider, but he does not pay close attention to the horses on the track. Watch for yourself !!!
My vantage point was perfect, as I could clearly see the outrider in his usual spot, along the rail and paying very little attention. My spot was clearly better then yours.


Really?

You sure you don't want to backpedal all the way instead of only halfway? Bottom lines notwithstanding
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« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2011, 12:46:24 PM »

Here's an idea....the ambulance is stocked with two EMT's, no? How about one gets up off their backside and opens the gate while the other one drives through it. Problem solved...that's how they do it everywhere else.

Either way, the outrider had his horse moving out as soon as he was needed, which was immediately. But I have no dog in this fight, maybe others do and this is the issue.
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« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2011, 12:49:13 PM »

MMMMMMM wonder where john 1492 or 1776 is with a respoooooonse ?
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« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2011, 02:04:33 PM »

It seemed to me like those few seconds were in slow motion, and I should have stated that.
Real problem is that there are two people on here that will now challange anything I say anyway as they seem to have personal problems with me.
The dirty laundry will not be aired by me !!!!
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« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2011, 02:42:01 PM »

homestrech... you are starting to sound a little goofy...hand held device???maybe we could just get the pentegon to use star wars and open the gate at the rite time
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« Reply #32 on: April 28, 2011, 03:00:49 PM »

homestrech... you are starting to sound a little goofy...hand held device???maybe we could just get the Pentagon to use star wars and open the gate at the rite time
A hand held device is a wireless remote control which could automatically open the gate without the outrider having to do it
Of course there is a receiver that attaches to the gate.
I am not the one who said the outrider does it now. someone else said that, but if that's the case, and one of the ambulance drivers can't get out of the car for some reason to open the gate (I don't know why they can't), then you need something like I described.
We don't need the Pentagon to figure it out, since they will send 20 engineers, and it will cost billions and they probally won't get it right anyway. LOL
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« Reply #33 on: April 28, 2011, 03:03:50 PM »

The outrider never moved till at least 5 minutes after the accident.
Ken Kolanich, the paddock judge got out of the starting can, and drove the horse back to the paddock.
This outrider must go !!!!

The outrider never moved till at least 5 minutes after the accident.  (So this is wrong)
Ken Kolanich, the paddock judge (this is wrong) got out of the starting can (lol and definitely wrong),
and drove the horse (wrong again) back to the paddock.
This outrider must go !!!!  (Hardly reasonable on this "evidence")

Glad everyone was okay; this thread is getting funnier by the post.
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« Reply #34 on: April 28, 2011, 03:46:33 PM »

The outrider never moved till at least 5 minutes after the accident.  (So this is wrong)
Ken Kolanich, the paddock judge (this is wrong) got out of the starting can (lol and definitely wrong),
and drove the horse (wrong again) back to the paddock.
This outrider must go !!!!  (Hardly reasonable on this "evidence")

Glad everyone was okay; this thread is getting funnier by the post.

Starting can: A portable toilet that's walls, floors and sometimes ceilings are yet to be splashed with human fluids (and solids, usually) as they are after a football game at the Meadowlands.

(Ending can for above event usually ends up being across the roadway in the swamp reeds - if you are smart, that is.)
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« Reply #35 on: April 28, 2011, 05:09:54 PM »

OK,
I was in a hurry when I made this post, made a spelling error, got a name mixed up, and had the response time wrong (actually those seconds seemed like minutes to me).
I was upset with what I saw.
Make fun all you want, but the fact remains we, as horsemen have a problem here.
Safety of all concerned: drivers, horses, and the fans are first on my agenda.
A matter of seconds could determine weather a fallen driver recovers from his injuries. 
Those of you, who are at Pocono, and really think the outrider does his job in a fast responsive manner have a different opinion then I do.
Time will tell.
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« Reply #36 on: April 28, 2011, 06:00:31 PM »

It seemed to me like those few seconds were in slow motion, and I should have stated that.
Real problem is that there are two people on here that will now challange anything I say anyway as they seem to have personal problems with me.
The dirty laundry will not be aired by me !!!!

Ahhh innuendo and mudslinging, the last resort of the those who know they are defeated on the facts.  Really ironic when the only dog I have in this discussion is that I hate to see someone else [This outrider must go!!!!]  unfairly maligned, expecially when it concerns his livelyhood .   Personally I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about you, John, one way or t'other.  I just hate to see these kind of slimey tactics infiltrate this site.
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« Reply #37 on: April 28, 2011, 06:15:18 PM »

Ahhh innuendo and mudslinging, the last resort of the those who know they are defeated on the facts.  Really ironic when the only dog I have in this discussion is that I hate to see someone else [This outrider must go!!!!]  unfairly maligned, expecially when it concerns his livelyhood .   Personally I couldn't give a fiddler's fart about you, John, one way or t'other.  I just hate to see these kind of slimey tactics infiltrate this site.
Not a slimey tatic at all !
"The outrider must go" is my opinion, and I'm sticking to it.
Based on what I have seen, that's how I feel !
Nothing personal with you, or anyone else.
 
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« Reply #38 on: April 28, 2011, 06:58:25 PM »

The dirty laundry will not be aired by me !!!!

Not a slimey tatic at all !


Glad to hear you are not in the cowards habit of obliquely casting aspersions while polishing your halo   head shake 
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« Reply #39 on: April 29, 2011, 06:31:59 AM »

  John, Terry wanted me to convey this message: "Anytime you want to borrow one of my horses and get your fat ass out on this track to show me how to do my job, be my guest."

  Being an old-school cowboy, he had a bit more colorful suggestions to go with it, but I told him he could tell you himself since you're always prancing around the paddock.
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« Reply #40 on: April 29, 2011, 06:40:22 AM »

  John, Terry wanted me to convey this message: "Anytime you want to borrow one of my horses and get your fat ass out on this track to show me how to do my job, be my guest."

  Being an old-school cowboy, he had a bit more colorful suggestions to go with it, but I told him he could tell you himself since you're always prancing around the paddock.
prancing around the paddock does he really prance around the paddock ?
Do I detect some malice directed at john1492 or whatever numper he goes by on slop ?
Is there a problem here ?
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« Reply #41 on: April 29, 2011, 09:54:11 AM »

 John, Terry wanted me to convey this message: "Anytime you want to borrow one of my horses and get your fat ass out on this track to show me how to do my job, be my guest."

  Being an old-school cowboy, he had a bit more colorful suggestions to go with it, but I told him he could tell you himself since you're always prancing around the paddock.
Strange point of view you have.
Do you really think for one moment that I could perform his job ?
Maybe he can design a School or a Casino like I can !
I have been in the standardbred industry fo over 40 years, and know that Terry could perform better, and so do you.
Being your so friendly with the outrider, why don't you give him some pointers yourself, as I'm sure you could do his job much better then he can. (actually I believe that)
You have shown your true colors, as has your sister by making this a personal agenda.
Too bad, as I'm taking a stance about an issue of safety, not personalities.
 
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« Reply #42 on: April 29, 2011, 10:09:32 AM »

prancing around the paddock does he really prance around the paddock ?
Do I detect some malice directed at john1492 or whatever numper he goes by on slop ?
Is there a problem here ?
YOU THINK Huh?
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« Reply #43 on: April 29, 2011, 07:50:11 PM »

Being your so friendly with the outrider, why don't you give him some pointers yourself, as I'm sure you could do his job much better then he can. (actually I believe that)

Clever, clever John.  Now trying to divide and conquer?


You have shown your true colors, as has your sister by making this a personal agenda.
Too bad, as I'm taking a stance about an issue of safety, not personalities.


Actually it was betrayed that  you must have some personal problem with the outrider or some agenda to get this outrider fired  once Baby Fire Fly reported what she saw on the replay of the race.  We all know that Baby Fire Fly is one of the most respected posters on the site.

 
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« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2011, 07:23:43 PM »

hey ogm.isnt john the owner you used to train for?
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« Reply #45 on: May 01, 2011, 07:58:31 AM »

  Yup and he has my permission to air all the "dirty laundry" he wants, since management already decided the issue in my favor... lol 

  As far as personal issues, damn straight I have personal issues with people who try to scum me out of money when all I did was try to help them out with their cockroach horses that nobody else wanted to waste their time with.
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« Reply #46 on: May 01, 2011, 08:24:07 AM »

  Oh and btw, Terry does not HAVE to open the gate for the ambulance, but being the quick thinking capable go to guy you'ld want in an emergency, he realizes it's usually quicker for him to flip it open than wait for the EMT's to hoist themselves in and out of the ambulance. 

  And another btw... I'm encountering a problem with one of the Paso's who is spoiling for a fight when mounted.  She's been an evil *** from day one, everything has been a fight. She now does all the groundwork, but she's drawn the line at being ridden.  Insists on trying to buck me off.  Hasn't accomplished it yet, but enough is enough.  I'ld be a lot more confident in a jogcart instead of the saddle so I asked Terry for his help and he's coming out to the ranch today.  He's got quite a few old school cowboy tricks up his sleeve.  He says instead of trying to stop the buck, we're going to make her buck until she never wants to do it again. Going to be interesting.
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« Reply #47 on: May 01, 2011, 10:47:29 AM »

 Oh and btw, Terry does not HAVE to open the gate for the ambulance, but being the quick thinking capable go to guy you'ld want in an emergency, he realizes it's usually quicker for him to flip it open than wait for the EMT's to hoist themselves in and out of the ambulance.  

"This was the information I gathered yesterday.  First of all, Terry's first job is to open the gate for the ambulance and he can't do that until the judges radio him with the all clear after the remaining horses pass the gate (which is located at head of stretch)"
Look's like OGM made a mistake also. Terry's first job should have been to go after the loose horse !!!!!! Where did you get your information about waiting for a radio call from the judges Huh  
  And another btw... I'm encountering a problem with one of the Paso's who is spoiling for a fight when mounted.  She's been an evil *** from day one, everything has been a fight. She now does all the groundwork, but she's drawn the line at being ridden.  Insists on trying to buck me off.  Hasn't accomplished it yet, but enough is enough.  I'ld be a lot more confident in a jogcart instead of the saddle so I asked Terry for his help and he's coming out to the ranch today.  He's got quite a few old school cowboy tricks up his sleeve.  He says instead of trying to stop the buck, we're going to make her buck until she never wants to do it again. Going to be interesting.
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« Reply #48 on: May 01, 2011, 11:30:55 AM »


Well hear we go again.
Job Description: should be one available for that particular track.
Does he or does he not HAVE TO WAIT for the judge's radio call or is he free to just pop out there no matter how many other horses still have not cleared his positon ?
Answer should be simple enough to obtain to those who frequent that particular track.
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« Reply #49 on: May 01, 2011, 11:34:04 AM »

 Yup and he has my permission to air all the "dirty laundry" he wants, since management already decided the issue in my favor... lol  

  As far as personal issues, damn straight I have personal issues with people who try to scum me out of money when all I did was try to help them out with their cockroach horses that nobody else wanted to waste their time with.
Thanks for permission, and against my better judgement, here goes:
YOU WERE PAID EVERY SINGLE DOLLAR YOU BILLED ME FOR, NOT EVER A PENNY LESS !!!!!
YOU SIGNED A CONTRACT TO PURCHASE A PERCENTAGE OF A HORSE, AND WHEN YOU GAVE UP ON THE HORSE, YOU WANTED YOUR MONEY BACK.
I PROMISED YOU THAT IF THE HORSE GOT TO THE RACES, YOU WOULD BE PAID A PERCENTAGE ACCORDING TO YOUR CONTRACT.
ONE OF YOUR FRIENDS CAME TO ME IN THE DINING ROOM AND SAID YOU WERE BEHIND IN YOUR BILLS, AND NEEDED THE MONEY IMMEDIATELY.
I DECIDED TO RETURN TO YOU THE $900.00 YOU PAID TOWARDS YOUR PERCENTAGE OF THE PURCHASE, BECAUSE YOU NEEDED THE MONEY RIGHT THEN AND NOW.
THEN YOU IMMEDIATLY TURN AROUND AND TELL SEAN BIER, MY FRIEND TO WATCH OUT FOR ME SINCE I DON'T PAY MY BILLS, (YOU HAVE SOME NERVE !! TALK ABOUT SCUM)
SO I NOTIFIED YOU IN WRITING NOT TO CASH THE CHECK AS I'M STOPPING PAYMENT ON IT, BUT YOU RUN TO THE CASHIER AT THE TRACK, AND CASH IT ANYWAY.
DALE CAME TO ME AND SAID THE TRACK WAS OUT THE MONEY, SO I DECIDED TO PAY THEM, AND SETTLE THE MATTER IN COURT WITH YOU.
I'VE HAD THE PAPERS FILLED OUT SINCE DECEMBER, AND WONDERED WEATHER IT WAS REALLY WORTH $900.00 TO GO AFTER YOU, AND WAS LEANING AWAY FROM FILING, BUT YOU'VE MADE UP MY MIND WITH THIS POST.
AND BY THE WAY, I ALSO EXPECT TO ACQUIRE MY ROUND PEN BACK FROM YOU, AS I PAID FOR IT, AND HAVE THE RECEIPT AS PROOF.
MY ATTORNY HAS ADVISED ME THIS MORNING TO ANSWER YOUR SLANDEROUS REMARKS HERE IN PUBLIC (I DON'T FULLY AGREE, BUT HE HAS HIS REASONS), AND NOT TO REPLY ANYMORE.
END OF CONVERSATION FOR ME ON THIS SUBJECT.
 
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