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JuiceJunkies
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« on: April 14, 2011, 08:58:18 PM »

Teller clerks would not even vote and state police had to be called to mantain order and prevent uprising...


The fat lady just sang a ballad........   bang head bang head bang head
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« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2011, 08:59:50 PM »

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Jeff Gural's efforts to lease the Meadowlands and keep the track open for harness racing may have ended Thursday night. Security personnel at the Meadowlands voted Thursday evening to accept an offer from Gural that called for wage concessions, but the pari-mutuel clerks refused to even cast ballots on Gural's proposal, effectively rejecting it. According to a source, the union meeting for the vote by the pari-mutuel clerks was contentious and state police were called in to maintain order.
 
 
 
Early Thursday afternoon Gural told harnessracing.com that if the union employees didn't accept his proposal, he expected "the place will close."
 
 
 
Gural asked the union employees to agree to a 20 percent pay cut when their contracts expire. The contract with the pari-mutuel clerks will expire on Feb. 1, 2012. Until that time they would have been paid $24 an hour. Athough Gural asked for wage concessions, he agreed to keep health benefits in place for two years.
 
 
 
According to other sources, late Thursday afternoon Gural made another effort to persuade the clerks that he would treat them fairly in the future, distributing a letter that included letters from union leaders at Tioga Downs and Vernon Downs.
 
 
 
The New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority had prepared for bad news, drafting press statements should the unions vote no and the track's closure become imminent. The NJSEA gave employees the required 60-day notice but not until March, which means employees may have jobs until mid-May.
 
 
 
The Meadowlands was scheduled to reopen for harness racing on May 7.
 
 

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« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2011, 09:02:21 PM »

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"Alas, poor harness racing..."

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« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2011, 09:09:05 PM »

bottom line,its not the tellers,its the lou pena's
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« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2011, 09:14:24 PM »

bottom line,its not the tellers,its the lou pena's

Your right Pigland but the Stan Bergstien's of the world don't get it.   

Pena was not the first but he was the final nail in the coffin, we never should have gotten to this point.   

In 2011 the big M if handled and managed properly should handle 20 million a night.

Harness racing ****** up long ago.
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« Reply #5 on: April 14, 2011, 09:37:37 PM »

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But Bergstein also seemed to suggest in his recent piece in the Canadian Sportsman that the public airing and discussion of the Pena controversy is harmful to the sport. And that's a terribly unproductive message to send to his legions of fans and friends around the world. If the history of the United States teaches us anything it is, to quote Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis, that "sunshine is the best disinfectant." Indeed, the road to salvation in harness racing isn't paved with more conspiracies of silence and denial; it's paved with more candor, truth and transparency.

Here's what Bergstein wrote: "No one yet knows whether that is true, but like oil seeping across the Gulf, whispers and outrage and fury have spread through the vast and instant communication links available to all today. Bloggers are unburdening themselves, pro and con, on Lou Pena, and as the damage reaches the mainstream press, as it surely will, new fans will be lost along with old ones, and owners and breeders will feel the crushing weight of the loss."

We are a curious band of brothers and sisters in harness racing. We are proud and passionate about what we do but at the same time woefully insecure about it. Like every family, we have plenty of secrets we don't want to leak out onto the larger world. We are patients who don't want to go to the doctor for fear that we won't like the taste of the medicine-and so we become sicker every day. We say to that outside world: leave us alone, we can handle things, but of course we can't. Anyone who has followed the sad story of harness racing in New Jersey knows that by now.

It seems to me the "crushing" loss Bergstein is worried about already has occurred. The horse, I have to say here, has already left the barn. It's true that secrets within harness racing can no longer be squashed as easily as they once could be. But it's also true that once harness racing routinely brought tens of thousands of fans to the larger tracks each night. The dirty truths about harness racing-as eternal as Goshen and Messenger-- didn't push away these fans. The passivity and lack of courage from among our leaders, for decade upon decade, did. We lost our opportunity to effectively change with the times precisely because we eternally tried to push our dirt under the rug so we wouldn't have to face it. We didn't make tough choices because there was no outside pressure to do so.


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« Reply #6 on: April 14, 2011, 09:42:50 PM »

it could be the end of the greatest track in the world
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« Reply #7 on: April 14, 2011, 09:43:57 PM »

$24 an hour to punch tickets ??
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« Reply #8 on: April 14, 2011, 09:54:16 PM »

Bergstein is not the one to blame for the demise of horse racing.
To do that shows a complete misunderstanding of the problems of parimutuel betting surviving in the days of computers, casinos everywhere etc;
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« Reply #9 on: April 14, 2011, 10:00:02 PM »

Most horsemen would take 19.00 hour for their wages.
Maybe Jeff will pull a Regan on the tellers, and fire them all !!!!
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2011, 10:01:16 PM »

McElwyn...the first paragraph you quoted is spot on the reason for the demise.

The harness legions got behind confused people like Stan, they believed the harness world was good and perfect and any mention of "non-saintlike" activities were worse to discuss and confront.  They chose to simply ignore and sweep those issues under the rug.   

The public does not want a lumpy rug.   So they moved on to places that they could understand or at least feel like they understood.   

The STAN BERGSTEIN's of the world killed harness racing...
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2011, 10:28:49 PM »

It actually goes beyond the Penas and Ledfords and Chanskys... long before any of them came along, the fact that people actually BET on harness races was itself treated as a shameful secret by the sport's higher-ups.  Grab any Hoof Beats from the 70s and you'll see a lot of wonderful articles about Billy this and Stanley that and marvelous three-year-olds with fast times, and twinkly-eyed 93-year-old veterans who still drove a few at the Ohio fairs, but nothing at all about betting or handicapping. 

In thoroughbred racing it was somewhat different, the literature was much more mainstream and accessible... everyone read Beyer, and a lot of speed-figure guys popped up in his wake; there was an actual notion, defended ably by Beyer himself, that handicapping the ponies was an actual intellectual exercise, and that money could be made through serious study.

The bettor was almost always treated as a second-class citizen in harness racing, and the trend continues, in most instances, to the present date.   
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2011, 10:37:01 PM »

$24/hour for rude, sloppy, undereducated people to do a job that should be a job that kids do while in school is a disgrace..
I could teach my cat to do a better job.
70% of the Meadowlands tellers should be and will be on the unemployment line soon.
The other 30% should be retained, and go with all self service machines..
If I were Jeff Gural, I would tell them to enjoy unemployment and as I walked away I would tell those moronic ***hole that they should have given it a litle more thought...
And no, it is not the tellers that killed the game..
The bullshit short payouts and the juiced horses and the trainers with no moral standards did that and they did it over many years..
Add to that Stan Bergstein and the USTA always looking the other way for fear of bad publicity, and you have a dead game that the general public does not care about..
I will take my money elsewhere and not look back.
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« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2011, 10:40:52 PM »

It actually goes beyond the Penas and Ledfords and Chanskys... long before any of them came along, the fact that people actually BET on harness races was itself treated as a shameful secret by the sport's higher-ups.  Grab any Hoof Beats from the 70s and you'll see a lot of wonderful articles about Billy this and Stanley that and marvelous three-year-olds with fast times, and twinkly-eyed 93-year-old veterans who still drove a few at the Ohio fairs, but nothing at all about betting or handicapping. 

In thoroughbred racing it was somewhat different, the literature was much more mainstream and accessible... everyone read Beyer, and a lot of speed-figure guys popped up in his wake; there was an actual notion, defended ably by Beyer himself, that handicapping the ponies was an actual intellectual exercise, and that money could be made through serious study.

For the almost 30 years that I have been gambling on harness racing, people that know I do it looked at me funny, because their perception was that the game was not on the level, and why would I risk money on it..


The bettor was almost always treated as a second-class citizen in harness racing, and the trend continues, in most instances, to the present date.   
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2011, 10:46:50 PM »

It actually goes beyond the Penas and Ledfords and Chanskys... long before any of them came along, the fact that people actually BET on harness races was itself treated as a shameful secret by the sport's higher-ups.  Grab any Hoof Beats from the 70s and you'll see a lot of wonderful articles about Billy this and Stanley that and marvelous three-year-olds with fast times, and twinkly-eyed 93-year-old veterans who still drove a few at the Ohio fairs, but nothing at all about betting or handicapping. 

In thoroughbred racing it was somewhat different, the literature was much more mainstream and accessible... everyone read Beyer, and a lot of speed-figure guys popped up in his wake; there was an actual notion, defended ably by Beyer himself, that handicapping the ponies was an actual intellectual exercise, and that money could be made through serious study.

The bettor was almost always treated as a second-class citizen in harness racing, and the trend continues, in most instances, to the present date.   

The bettors always got shafted, and it only got much worse in the last 15 years..
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2011, 12:42:39 AM »

Bergstein is not the one to blame for the demise of horse racing.
To do that shows a complete misunderstanding of the problems of parimutuel betting surviving in the days of computers, casinos everywhere etc;

Who is blaming Stan Bergstein personally for the demise of harness racing? It's his attitude that helped seal the future though. His idea of sweeping things under the rug went out with the advent of the internet. No longer can the "leaders" pick and choose what goes out to the public. The tracks had their chance to clean up racing but chose not to.If the tracks AND the horsemen put out a quality product that people have faith in, they would NOT be in the predicament that they are. When people feel "cheated" they find another outlet for their activities. In some cases perception IS reality. When horse racing was the ONLY avenue of gambling, there wasn't much one could do. The tracks thrived.But when offered another choice, the people spoke. And harness racing suffered.
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2011, 01:48:35 AM »

$24 an hour?HuhHuh?? ARE YOU *** KIDDING ME?HuhHuhHuh??

I know the ones in Ohio & Michigan have to be the worlds worst. I wouldnt pay them $5.00 an hour let alone $24.
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 03:01:37 AM »

It actually goes beyond the Penas and Ledfords and Chanskys... long before any of them came along, the fact that people actually BET on harness races was itself treated as a shameful secret by the sport's higher-ups.  Grab any Hoof Beats from the 70s and you'll see a lot of wonderful articles about Billy this and Stanley that and marvelous three-year-olds with fast times, and twinkly-eyed 93-year-old veterans who still drove a few at the Ohio fairs, but nothing at all about betting or handicapping. 

In thoroughbred racing it was somewhat different, the literature was much more mainstream and accessible... everyone read Beyer, and a lot of speed-figure guys popped up in his wake; there was an actual notion, defended ably by Beyer himself, that handicapping the ponies was an actual intellectual exercise, and that money could be made through serious study.

The bettor was almost always treated as a second-class citizen in harness racing, and the trend continues, in most instances, to the present date.   
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« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2011, 05:43:24 AM »

From day one I thought to myself there is no way anyone can put a sensible plan together and finalize a deal to take the place over in 4 months. It's just too big an operation that needs incredible overhauling from the ground up to make it even break even much less generate a profit. If Gural backs out today at least he tried whatever his motive was, it bought a few months of racing that never would have happened. It still doesn't mean the wrecking ball is showing up tomorrow, maybe with the pressure off more viable ideas will have a chance. Most of the people who would have been racing there found other venues, sad thing is after some time and everyone settles in nobody's gonna miss it if it doesn't reopen. Everyone will adjust. Gurals basic plan does make perfect sense, shrink the entire operation. The whole facility doesn't meet the times.
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« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2011, 05:59:29 AM »

McElwyn...the first paragraph you quoted is spot on the reason for the demise.

The harness legions got behind confused people like Stan, they believed the harness world was good and perfect and any mention of "non-saintlike" activities were worse to discuss and confront.  They chose to simply ignore and sweep those issues under the rug.   

The public does not want a lumpy rug.   So they moved on to places that they could understand or at least feel like they understood.   

The STAN BERGSTEIN's of the world killed harness racing...
That comment shows how out of touch you are with harness racing's problems.
Ridiculous comment.
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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2011, 06:01:48 AM »

Who is blaming Stan Bergstein personally for the demise of harness racing? It's his attitude that helped seal the future though. His idea of sweeping things under the rug went out with the advent of the internet. No longer can the "leaders" pick and choose what goes out to the public. The tracks had their chance to clean up racing but chose not to.If the tracks AND the horsemen put out a quality product that people have faith in, they would NOT be in the predicament that they are. When people feel "cheated" they find another outlet for their activities. In some cases perception IS reality. When horse racing was the ONLY avenue of gambling, there wasn't much one could do. The tracks thrived.But when offered another choice, the people spoke. And harness racing suffered.
Juicy Junkie and some of the NY contingent.
I guess they don't know about casino's, subsidies, internet gambling etc;
Easier to blame an old man who writes a column once a month.
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« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2011, 06:03:18 AM »

If Gural is the genius many have made hin out to be, his comment about closinf the track was a bluff.
He did not impress me on Fox News.
I still think this thing will be worked out.
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« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2011, 07:04:05 AM »

$24 an hour to punch tickets ??

Plus all they can clip from the customers.
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« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2011, 07:07:35 AM »

HOW MANY TELLERS DO THEY REALLY NEED?
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2011, 07:17:45 AM »

a commentor  after  a blog  said  a teller  will  make about 35K to 45K   working  double   shifts    when its busy           etc.

which for a family of 4   is near  the poverty level.


How many days of work is that for?  And does it include unemployment during the off season?



my  imprerssion    -full-time


i  don't  know      janine



Full time is 2040 hours per year, $24 x 2040 = $48,960.

Do they get overtime for double shifts?






here's the deal

the presidnet  of the  tellers  union

actually the laborer  intnl  union  of NA  local 137



tellers  average $30,184

admissions  worker  average  $20,500



like someone else   said  under the best of circumstances 

a teller can  make  between  working double shifts  and weekends ( or whatever)

35k and 45K

which  for a family  of 4  is near  the  poverty level.



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