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McElwyns Danger
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« Reply #50 on: March 27, 2011, 09:18:02 AM »

9 of 13 winning faves, 7 of them odds-on

No 7 or 8 hole winners

7 winners from post 1 or 2

"Series" racing, an idea which chould have been junked years ago, continues to be an engine for chalk, and for ensuring that the big stables simply win more of the races. Pena and Burke had 4 wins total; $2.10, $2.30, $2.90 and $2.10.

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« Reply #51 on: March 27, 2011, 02:28:07 PM »

The cream rises to the top
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« Reply #52 on: March 27, 2011, 04:09:07 PM »

It didn't rise; it was there already.
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« Reply #53 on: March 27, 2011, 05:52:38 PM »

9 of 13 winning faves, 7 of them odds-on

No 7 or 8 hole winners

7 winners from post 1 or 2

"Series" racing, an idea which chould have been junked years ago, continues to be an engine for chalk, and for ensuring that the big stables simply win more of the races. Pena and Burke had 4 wins total; $2.10, $2.30, $2.90 and $2.10.



They must have "Great Racing" there on that half mile. Shut the place down and just make it a casino already. Sam should have done well.
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« Reply #54 on: March 27, 2011, 09:37:08 PM »

And THAT'S who pays the bills for this business-THE GAMBLER. It's about time the horsemen realize this. It might be too late but that has always been one of the problems. Not too many horsemen have thought just WHERE the purse money comes from. THE GAMBLER. So wouldn't it be OBVIOUS that to make harness racing a success(or more successful) they need to CATER to the GAMBLER? Maybe THAT'S why the casinos have done so well. They CATER to the GAMBLERS.

If you want to see half mile track racing- go to the fairs.

Been away this weekend.

So the gambler pays the bills.  And how's that workin' out for ya?

You just don't get it.  It starts with the fan, the young teenager who falls in love with the sport.  Then that person progresses into the gambler & eventually an owner and along the way, brings all his buddies to the track.  The only way to get new blood is to get people to enjoy the product 1st & then make a few bets along the way.  With the bigger tracks, there's no chance of that ever happening because you can't enjoy what you can't see.  Now I'm not that person anymore & neither are you - maybe you never were & just went for the gambling.  That's okay too.

I understand that you don't get it but the rest of the "leaders" of this sport don't get it either so the long, slow death continues.

Back on topic though, the results of the races did absolutely suck.  On the other hand, NFLD, which is also a 1/2 mile track to the best of my memory, had some terrific prices.
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« Reply #55 on: March 27, 2011, 09:43:28 PM »

Been away this weekend.

So the gambler pays the bills.  And how's that workin' out for ya?

You just don't get it.  It starts with the fan, the young teenager who falls in love with the sport.  Then that person progresses into the gambler & eventually an owner and along the way, brings all his buddies to the track.  The only way to get new blood is to get people to enjoy the product 1st & then make a few bets along the way.  With the bigger tracks, there's no chance of that ever happening because you can't enjoy what you can't see.  Now I'm not that person anymore & neither are you - maybe you never were & just went for the gambling.  That's okay too.

I understand that you don't get it but the rest of the "leaders" of this sport don't get it either so the long, slow death continues.

Back on topic though, the results of the races did absolutely suck.  On the other hand, NFLD, which is also a 1/2 mile track to the best of my memory, had some terrific prices.
Real bad horses racing for cheap purses results in chicanery.   bang head bang head
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« Reply #56 on: March 27, 2011, 10:18:50 PM »

Real bad horses racing for cheap purses results in chicanery.   bang head bang head

YOU THINK THE NORTHFIELD PAYOUTS ARE BASED ON DECEIPT?

THEY ARE THE ONLY TRACK SUPPORTING THEMSELVES.  I BELIEVE THE PAYOUTS ARE BASED ON FORTHRIGHTNESS.
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« Reply #57 on: March 28, 2011, 10:49:59 AM »

Since they went to 1 1/16

1) There have been 4 winners from the 8 hole on one card twice.
2) The first quarters have averaged 3/5 of a second faster, which gives the closers a better chance.

Yonkers isn't a very speed favoring track, Pena slants the stats to look that way, lineups very seldom hit at Yonkers though the speed does get better as the weather warms up, but for a couple months in the winter there the closers were dominating. I know this because I called every race at Yonkers and all of us who do were getting buried. The (1 1/16 miles) races lock so early now (even on the c-band satellite) that gate calling is a non issue anymore. My personal guess is that has cost Yonkers about 75k-100k a night in handle, combine that with the demise of the NYC OTB (which probably bet 200k a night/some of which has found its way through other ADW"S) and the handle has down lately, lower handle only chases away handle for a very bad downward spiral, good news is the slots are doing fine.
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« Reply #58 on: March 28, 2011, 11:05:41 AM »

Been away this weekend.

So the gambler pays the bills.  And how's that workin' out for ya?



I understand that you don't get it but the rest of the "leaders" of this sport don't get it either so the long, slow death continues.


Actually quite well. I have almost eliminated my harness racing "investments" to nothing. They have done NOTHING to deserve my money.And contrary to your thoughts about my interests,  I raced horses for over 20 years. I find it very amusing that the horsemen of today just want slot money instead of trying to improve their business enough for it to stand ON ITS OWN.
And for your ideas of how to "cultivate" people to make the business grow is pretty funny.How long would it take for owners to take friends out to the races, have them make a FEW SMALL bets, become owners and then WHAT? Please explain for EVERYONE how that helps the handle? Or don't you realize WHERE THE PURSE MONEY COMES FROM? It would take a WHOLE lot more than a couple of owners being brought into the sport. IF the purses were high, owners would come out of the woodwork, begging to get horses. But intelligent people see the writing on the wall and know harness racing is all dependent on slot money.So, NO owners.
Waiting for handouts is NEVER a good business model. AND demanding them is worse.
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« Reply #59 on: March 28, 2011, 11:22:41 AM »

Actually quite well. I have almost eliminated my harness racing "investments" to nothing. They have done NOTHING to deserve my money.And contrary to your thoughts about my interests,  I raced horses for over 20 years. I find it very amusing that the horsemen of today just want slot money instead of trying to improve their business enough for it to stand ON ITS OWN.
And for your ideas of how to "cultivate" people to make the business grow is pretty funny.How long would it take for owners to take friends out to the races, have them make a FEW SMALL bets, become owners and then WHAT? Please explain for EVERYONE how that helps the handle? Or don't you realize WHERE THE PURSE MONEY COMES FROM? It would take a WHOLE lot more than a couple of owners being brought into the sport. IF the purses were high, owners would come out of the woodwork, begging to get horses. But intelligent people see the writing on the wall and know harness racing is all dependent on slot money.So, NO owners.
Waiting for handouts is NEVER a good business model. AND demanding them is worse.

Thanks for someone making an intelligent post and realizing the game is done unless drastic changes are made eventhough it's probably too late.
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« Reply #60 on: March 28, 2011, 11:38:56 AM »

Actually quite well. I have almost eliminated my harness racing "investments" to nothing. They have done NOTHING to deserve my money.And contrary to your thoughts about my interests,  I raced horses for over 20 years. I find it very amusing that the horsemen of today just want slot money instead of trying to improve their business enough for it to stand ON ITS OWN.
And for your ideas of how to "cultivate" people to make the business grow is pretty funny.How long would it take for owners to take friends out to the races, have them make a FEW SMALL bets, become owners and then WHAT? Please explain for EVERYONE how that helps the handle? Or don't you realize WHERE THE PURSE MONEY COMES FROM? It would take a WHOLE lot more than a couple of owners being brought into the sport. IF the purses were high, owners would come out of the woodwork, begging to get horses. But intelligent people see the writing on the wall and know harness racing is all dependent on slot money.So, NO owners.
Waiting for handouts is NEVER a good business model. AND demanding them is worse.

Well, nice rant but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with my post, which never ever mentions handouts or slots.

Now, don't get me wrong - I believe the mistakes that have been made over 30 long years are irreparable.  But those mistakes began with the crowning of the big tracks, such as M1 because the short term goal of higher handle was likely achieved but the sport completely missed the long-term goal of continued cultivation of the sport.  You missed it too by ignoring two whole generations of new faces.  The clock cannot be turned back.

You now have what YOU cultivated - not me.

And it's just plain bad thinking when you fail to realize that "a few small bets" add up to the ultimate goals.  Steve Wolf once pointed out to me, correctly, that the track itself makes far more on concessions & other sales than from handle. 
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« Reply #61 on: March 28, 2011, 04:33:34 PM »

Well, nice rant but it has absolutely NOTHING to do with my post, which never ever mentions handouts or slots.

Now, don't get me wrong - I believe the mistakes that have been made over 30 long years are irreparable.  But those mistakes began with the crowning of the big tracks, such as M1 because the short term goal of higher handle was likely achieved but the sport completely missed the long-term goal of continued cultivation of the sport.  You missed it too by ignoring two whole generations of new faces.  The clock cannot be turned back.

You now have what YOU cultivated - not me.

And it's just plain bad thinking when you fail to realize that "a few small bets" add up to the ultimate goals.  Steve Wolf once pointed out to me, correctly, that the track itself makes far more on concessions & other sales than from handle. 
Once again some intelligence from Dolfan who truly sees the big picture.
Refreshing to read the truth even when it hurts but also when it makes sense and can be something positive.
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« Reply #62 on: March 28, 2011, 04:50:19 PM »

GOTTA LOVE DOLFAN.
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« Reply #63 on: March 28, 2011, 05:30:04 PM »

Right back at ya, JJ!

Thanks, Burton.
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