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« Reply #25 on: March 24, 2011, 07:12:27 AM »

I bet Boiler Bob in his first lifetime start in Indiana with Peter Wrenn driving and made a nice score hitting the exacta and super a few times. I think he paid about $16?
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« Reply #26 on: March 24, 2011, 07:20:45 AM »

I didn't know he started out there... was he a come-from-out-of-the-clouds type back then, too?
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« Reply #27 on: March 24, 2011, 07:22:34 AM »

His first start he came from third over with Wrenn and won. He scored down like a cripple and then when he warmed up with the camera on looked much better so I took a shot. I think the next start ghe was a big favorite and broke if memory serves me?
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« Reply #28 on: March 24, 2011, 08:39:31 AM »

they stepped up but the race is biased to inside posts and speed. Mile track plays fairer to all. Maybe the USTA could step up to the plate since they doing nothing and try and move the race to a level playing field.

If it were up to you, there'd be NO racing on 1/2 mile tracks.  Your post is possibly the dumbest ever on BTW.

I'm on record as believing that the demise of the sport began with 1 mile tracks.  You can't see a darn thing & it takes all of the love out of the sport.  I'm talking the passion for the sport not just the gambler, which is all you are looking at.


Drolet was the leading trainer in Noo Yawk for much of the mid-70s when he trained Herve's stable (stakes horses and classified stock, as well as claimers); if memory serves, he thereafter trained Dauplaise's barn and then went out on his own, with great success all the way along and no big suspensions that I can recall.  He also happens to be a very good guy, anyone who has him for a trainer is lucky.  Every trainer's going to pick up a positive if he has enough horses and stays in the game long enough, but Drolet's record in the pre-juice days speaks for itself. 

Drolet was not for Herve but Henri.  Herve's guy was Mike Lavallee.  The leading trainer?  Doubt it with Buddy Reagan around.  And I don't think he ever trained for Norman - Jean Camirand did for many years.

Drolet's % at M1 was horrendous until Lachance pretty much packed up & then Drolet began winning a few.
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« Reply #29 on: March 24, 2011, 08:46:15 AM »

If it were up to you, there'd be NO racing on 1/2 mile tracks.  Your post is possibly the dumbest ever on BTW.

I'm on record as believing that the demise of the sport began with 1 mile tracks.  You can't see a darn thing & it takes all of the love out of the sport.  I'm talking the passion for the sport not just the gambler, which is all you are looking at.


Drolet was not for Herve but Henri.  Herve's guy was Mike Lavallee.  The leading trainer?  Doubt it with Buddy Reagan around.  And I don't think he ever trained for Norman - Jean Camirand did for many years.

Drolet's % at M1 was horrendous until Lachance pretty much packed up & then Drolet began winning a few.


Guess you might have the dumbest reply on BTW. I think 1/2 mile racing is epitomized by NFLD where drivers actually move rather then race Indian file for 1/2 a mile or more like Yonkers and Freehold. Regardless of the driving colony they actually move at NFLD and that is probably the reason their handle is better than any other 1/2 mile track. YONKERS SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL! Maybe if they started the race before the top of the stretch it would help the outside horses a little more but unless the judges make them drive more honest and do away with the stupid instant finish nothing will change at that rat infested dump. FYI, I am not a gambler but a lover of the dying game as well.

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« Reply #30 on: March 24, 2011, 08:56:04 AM »

Sorry, Dolfan... Drolet trained for Herve in 74 and 75; Lavallee (and Conrad Pike) came later.  And Drolet was way out ahead of Regan during the '74 meets; in fact, at the spring Yonkers meet that year, Drolet was first, and IIRC Henri was second, both ahead of Regan, who hadn't yet picked up the likes of Gypsy Bret and Razel Time.

But thanks for playing!
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« Reply #31 on: March 24, 2011, 09:01:44 AM »

Guess you might have the dumbest reply on BTW. I think 1/2 mile racing is epitomized by NFLD where drivers actually move rather then race Indian file for 1/2 a mile or more like Yonkers and Freehold. Regardless of the driving colony they actually move at NFLD and that is probably the reason their handle is better than any other 1/2 mile track. YONKERS SUCKS AND ALWAYS WILL! Maybe if they started the race before the top of the stretch it would help the outside horses a little more but unless the judges make them drive more honest and do away with the stupid instant finish nothing will change at that rat infested dump. FYI, I am not a gambler but a lover of the dying game as well.



I wrote that your post was dumb because you're virtually suggesting that there should be NO stakes races at YR.

And the instant finish is a very good thing.  I have been going to harness tracks for more than 34 years & have NEVER seen a driver's objection upheld & a horse DQ'd.  If you have please let me know when.

YR is a quirky 1/2 miler because the stretch is longer than those of 5/8's tracks.  The racing WAS good & competitive before Pena sent his whole stable & Brennan over.  That's the big change that needs to take place.


Sorry, Dolfan... Drolet trained for Herve in 74 and 75; Lavallee (and Conrad Pike) came later.  And Drolet was way out ahead of Regan during the '74 meets; in fact, at the spring Yonkers meet that year, Drolet was first, and IIRC Henri was second, both ahead of Regan, who hadn't yet picked up the likes of Gypsy Bret and Razel Time.

But thanks for playing!

My 1st time to the track was 1977.  I don't recall Conrad Pike as Lavallee was the trainer when the fire took out the whole stable.

But thanks for being older than me!
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« Reply #32 on: March 24, 2011, 09:07:18 AM »

I said "mid-70s", and you disputed it with what you knew from '77 onward?

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« Reply #33 on: March 24, 2011, 09:09:37 AM »

I wrote that your post was dumb because you're virtually suggesting that there should be NO stakes races at YR.

And the instant finish is a very good thing.  I have been going to harness tracks for more than 34 years & have NEVER seen a driver's objection upheld & a horse DQ'd.  If you have please let me know when.

YR is a quirky 1/2 miler because the stretch is longer than those of 5/8's tracks.  The racing WAS good & competitive before Pena sent his whole stable & Brennan over.  That's the big change that needs to take place.


My 1st time to the track was 1977.  I don't recall Conrad Pike as Lavallee was the trainer when the fire took out the whole stable.

But thanks for being older than me!

Instant finish sucks because a driver has no time to post an objection and the judges don't even review the race so how is that good for the betting public? I have seen races with numerous infractions and nothing is done because of the instant finish. IT STINKS JUST LIKE THE TRACK ITSELF!
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« Reply #34 on: March 24, 2011, 09:45:15 AM »

No worries, they should go to PRE-instant finish and simply declare the winner at the half-mile pole... what difference would it make?
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« Reply #35 on: March 24, 2011, 09:54:12 AM »

They should just say there off YOU LOSE!
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« Reply #36 on: March 26, 2011, 06:48:55 AM »

jetty is a 20 claimer dude. he has the same shot in the levy as brower has of being on the ny times best seller list.
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« Reply #37 on: March 26, 2011, 11:56:46 AM »



I'm on record as believing that the demise of the sport began with 1 mile tracks.  You can't see a darn thing & it takes all of the love out of the sport.  I'm talking the passion for the sport not just the gambler,


And THAT'S who pays the bills for this business-THE GAMBLER. It's about time the horsemen realize this. It might be too late but that has always been one of the problems. Not too many horsemen have thought just WHERE the purse money comes from. THE GAMBLER. So wouldn't it be OBVIOUS that to make harness racing a success(or more successful) they need to CATER to the GAMBLER? Maybe THAT'S why the casinos have done so well. They CATER to the GAMBLERS.

If you want to see half mile track racing- go to the fairs.
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« Reply #38 on: March 26, 2011, 12:29:36 PM »

jetty is a 20 claimer dude. he has the same shot in the levy as brower has of being on the ny times best seller list.
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Duh !!!!!!!!!!!!!
We hope to get a few decent checks, and maybe come away with some 10 or 15K
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« Reply #39 on: March 26, 2011, 01:01:17 PM »

Duh !!!!!!!!!!!!!
We hope to get a few decent checks, and maybe come away with some 10 or 15K

  I like the format just as it is.  It gives guys like you a chance to make a few bucks vs days gone by when the Levy was loaded for bear.  The backbone of the sport IS you little guys, that put on the 15 race card shows the "gamblers" bet on.....best of luck, I will be rootin for ya! 
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« Reply #40 on: March 26, 2011, 01:38:26 PM »

Duh !!!!!!!!!!!!!
We hope to get a few decent checks, and maybe come away with some 10 or 15K


good luck
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« Reply #41 on: March 26, 2011, 02:00:57 PM »

Well, what does everyone think about the fields themselves...all bickering aside....whose watching who?
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« Reply #42 on: March 26, 2011, 02:13:27 PM »

If you want to see half mile track racing- go to the fairs  beer
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« Reply #43 on: March 26, 2011, 02:49:17 PM »

Well, what does everyone think about the fields themselves...all bickering aside....whose watching who?

1ST DIVISION IS WIDE OPEN IMHO, I THINK BARBER POLE MIGHT SPOIL AT 5 OR 6 TO 1.

2ND DIVISION IS ALL FOILED AGAIN, HE SHOULD JOG FROM THE RAIL, THIS IS MERELY A PUBLIC WORKOUT.

3RD DIVISION AGAIN IS WIDE OPEN, BURKE HAS A COUPLE CONTENDERS AND FORD HAS THE M/L FAVORITE.  I WISH VALENTINO WAS NOT IN POST 8.

4TH DIVISION IS THE WEAKEST BUNCH, NOTHING WILL SURPRISE ME EVEN DUBE FROM THE RAIL IN A SEASONAL DEBUT OR JETTY?Huh

5TH DIVISION JUST LIKE DIVISION 2 'THIS IS WYATT' SHOULD JOG EVEN WITH GOODELL IN THE SULKY.

6TH DIVISION IS THE STRONGEST BUT SOME OF THESE LOOKED AWFUL LAST WEEK AT THE BIG M.   RIVER SHARK SHOULD BE ON CRUISE CONTROL AND DICTATE THE PACE BUT WILL HE BE SHARP OR WILL HE LOOK AWFUL LIKE LAST WEEK???

THIS IS A LONG SERIES BUT SOME OF THE BIG SHOTS WILL BE LOOKING TO GET POINTS THIS WEAK AGAINST SEASONAL DEBUTS AND HORSES THAT ARE OFF FORM RIGHT NOW, THOSE OFF FORM HORSES WILL BE GETTING SHARPER WHICH IS WHY I ALWAYS LIKED THIS SERIES.   MY ONLY COMPLAINT IS THEY SHOULD HAVE KEPT IT MILE AND A 1/16.
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« Reply #44 on: March 26, 2011, 10:35:02 PM »

Leg 1 is completed what does everyone think?
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« Reply #45 on: March 27, 2011, 12:15:41 AM »


good luck
Jetty got a 5th place check tonight, good for 2.5K, and was interfered with at the start of the race.
We all know Jetty's in way over his head, but he's got great early speed and hopefully will draw inside for a few of these races.
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« Reply #46 on: March 27, 2011, 12:56:31 AM »

Jetty got a 5th place check tonight, good for 2.5K, and was interfered with at the start of the race.
We all know Jetty's in way over his head, but he's got great early speed and hopefully will draw inside for a few of these races.
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Good for them. Hopefully they can get a couple of more checks in the series.
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« Reply #47 on: March 27, 2011, 09:57:30 AM »

After first night, Foiled Again and Blatantly Good are going to be tough
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« Reply #48 on: March 27, 2011, 10:01:26 AM »

Rumor has it Yonkers is seeking legislation to allow them to break to the penny, so next week they can have win mutuels like $2.02.  Wink
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« Reply #49 on: March 27, 2011, 10:05:07 AM »

Rumor has it Yonkers is seeking legislation to allow them to break to the penny, so next week they can have win mutuels like $2.02.  Wink
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