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Author Topic: Yonkers handle looking like Pocono  (Read 952 times)
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« on: February 10, 2011, 09:05:33 PM »

and I for one am happy.  Whatever the motive for 1 1/16th mile races was, it was incredibly wrong.
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« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2011, 09:25:50 PM »

I agree that it makes no sense & the results look no different.  The races don't look different either but if anything I think it helps speed even more as things settle in sooner.

Isn't the OTB effect what's costing the pools though?
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« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2011, 09:36:32 PM »

Yeah, the OTB certainly has added to the problem, but what I don't get is why change one of the thigns that doesn't matter.  Harness players are not T-bred players and never will be.  We like seeing a horse race once a week at the same distance.  If we wanted variety, we would bet T-breds...we don't!

The powers that be should recognize their niche and try to make that particular product the best it can be. 

 
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« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2011, 09:40:19 PM »

Yeah, the OTB certainly has added to the problem, but what I don't get is why change one of the thigns that doesn't matter.  Harness players are not T-bred players and never will be.  We like seeing a horse race once a week at the same distance.  If we wanted variety, we would bet T-breds...we don't!

The powers that be should recognize their niche and try to make that particular product the best it can be. 

 
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« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2011, 11:07:29 PM »

Yeah, the OTB certainly has added to the problem, but what I don't get is why change one of the thigns that doesn't matter.  Harness players are not T-bred players and never will be.  We like seeing a horse race once a week at the same distance.  If we wanted variety, we would bet T-breds...we don't!

The powers that be should recognize their niche and try to make that particular product the best it can be. 

 
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« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2011, 11:16:38 PM »

I own both and love watching both.
I love watching standardbreds go different distances and it is time that the harness take the blinkers off.
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« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2011, 03:20:49 AM »

I own both and love watching both.
I love watching standardbreds go different distances and it is time that the harness take the blinkers off.






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« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2011, 08:24:30 AM »

I own both and love watching both.
I love watching standardbreds go different distances and it is time that the harness take the blinkers off.

It's been tried at a bunch of different places. It just doesn't work.People don't want to bet on that. Harness racing needs things that will increase the handle.
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« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2011, 08:50:19 AM »

if people want their races run at a mile why is nobody betting pocono? i mean that is what your comparing yonkers handle with right? could it be why handle in harness racing is down everywhere is because the industry refuses to change or is often too late change.
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« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2011, 09:08:52 AM »

There are LOTS of reasons for the handle to be going down. Having the same distance for all of the races is NOT one of them. The bottom line is to get people to BET on those races. NOT just watch them.For you to blame people for not betting Pocono because they don't have different distance races is ridiculous.
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« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2011, 09:11:24 AM »

And besides, Pocono is a garbage track that couldn't survive with the slot money. NOBODY bets there.
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« Reply #11 on: February 11, 2011, 10:44:56 AM »

And besides, Pocono is a garbage track that couldn't survive with the slot money. NOBODY bets there.
except Pig L or does he bet Saratogo ?  laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #12 on: February 11, 2011, 11:02:46 AM »

if people want their races run at a mile why is nobody betting pocono? i mean that is what your comparing yonkers handle with right? could it be why handle in harness racing is down everywhere is because the industry refuses to change or is often too late change.

The comparison between Yonkers and Pocono was handle only, not the racing distance.  I was merely pointing out that Yonkers, which once handled over 80K per race (not too long ago) is now barely making 40K, and sometimes doesn't make that, since going to the 1 1/16th mile races.  Pocono never handled anything and never will.  That product is completely useless in the eyes of the bettors.  They could run 1 mile, 70 miles, 10 feet, no one would care.  Yonkers, on the other hand, had a decent thing going and elected to actively ruin it.  Basically the difference between malfeasance and nonfeasance.  The former, to me, is never excusable.

Harness racing is a niche product and as such should be honed.  A foot-fetish dominatrix should not worry about her hair at the cost of neglecting her feet.  Understand your market and try to control that to near perfection, and then worry about expanding your market, but do not sacrifice the product that made your market.
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