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APCD Dan
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« on: January 13, 2011, 12:46:07 AM »

Time to ask the inevitable question.  I assume all the racing groups will reorganize and try again for slots.  On that task, racing needs to go it alone and it needs to have something to trade with the casinos.  Maybe giving up the claim on the 3% law and the 10% claim on the 10th license if that still exists.  If we cannot keep them from blocking us, then it is on to the next plan.

Hawthorne seemed to do well with the big fields of low quality horses.  Arlington could take the same action.  Cut out the overnight stakes and cut many of the allowance condition races.  This would enable them to offer bigger purses for the low claimers.  This is the only way we can compete with the Indiana and Iowa tracks for horses.  If Fairmount is unable to run, they are welcome too.  Arlington would have to get off their high horse, so to speak, to do this.  Maybe they could still maintain a quality allowance program for the turf horses and, of course, they would still run the big races.  I know there is the synthetic track complaint, with the bias for and against it, but that whole question is still up for debate.  Also, with this plan there is not much of an incentive for Illinois breeders to produce good horses.

Just some thoughts.
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« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2011, 09:49:15 AM »

Dan,

I would start by selling you stock.

Sod
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« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2011, 10:35:26 AM »

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    With the full fields at Hawthorne this year it was very tough for the bottom level claimers to make any money. You had to compete in 12 horse fields for less than 10k. It was a moderate boost to the bottom line as far as gambling dollars but for the average trainer with bottom level horses it was devastation.
    Illinois BRED horses are virtually worthless now as far as racing stock. And I feel heartfully sorry for the breeding operations who have hung their hopes on the passing of this bill. I suspect that there will be many who will flee the racing in Illinois or just quit altogether.
    We had nothing to trade with the casinos that would have put us in a viable position. The 3% is but a mirage at this point and the casinos knew that. The 10% will go thru appropriations and the share the horsemen would receive will find a way to some other source than the horsemens pockets.
   My deepest appreciation to all the horsemen who stuck together and gave their all. Just shows that we can become a force and be heard. My thanks to the HBPA and the ITHA for representing all the horsemen. We know you all tried diligently.
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« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2011, 11:31:27 AM »

A Rockford Senator says the bill will be introduced, and predicts it will get an up or down vote by May.

http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1738890315/Illinois-House-adjourns-without-calling-gambling-expansion-bill
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« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2011, 01:04:29 PM »

A Rockford Senator says the bill will be introduced, and predicts it will get an up or down vote by May.

http://www.rrstar.com/carousel/x1738890315/Illinois-House-adjourns-without-calling-gambling-expansion-bill

Just a Republican who won't be able to get the Dems to follow.
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« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2011, 03:51:43 PM »

Dan,

I would start by selling you stock.

Sod


How many times do we need to tell you, Sod -- Dan is NOT selling that share of stock!  Grin
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« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2011, 04:31:21 PM »

Does anyone know about the expiration of the 3%. Assuming we get the money, I seem to remember that the 3% was not permanent,. We have a better chance with the 3% then we do with a gambling bill. I also agree that we should try to get an up or down vote on slots at the tracks alone. Its a much better argument than opening up casinos everywhere in the state. If I owned Hawthorne or Arlington I would close down until they give us a vote on slots at tracks. Arlington did it a few years back and it worked.

For this year, I agree with cutting purses on the high end and raising claiming purses. They could cut the Illinois day purses to 5k from 75 for the six Ill. bred races three times a year. that would add 450k to the purse account and I doubt it would have any effect on field size etc. Illinos breds are pretty worthless these days.
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« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2011, 07:35:38 PM »

Does anyone know about the expiration of the 3%. Assuming we get the money, I seem to remember that the 3% was not permanent,. We have a better chance with the 3% then we do with a gambling bill. I also agree that we should try to get an up or down vote on slots at the tracks alone. Its a much better argument than opening up casinos everywhere in the state. If I owned Hawthorne or Arlington I would close down until they give us a vote on slots at tracks. Arlington did it a few years back and it worked.

For this year, I agree with cutting purses on the high end and raising claiming purses. They could cut the Illinois day purses to 5k from 75 for the six Ill. bred races three times a year. that would add 450k to the purse account and I doubt it would have any effect on field size etc. Illinos breds are pretty worthless these days.
be careful what u wish for. I expect both tracks to ask for an escape clause in their 2012 date app; ie, no slots or 3%; no racing. Look for AP to push turf like last year. Poly will be 5k heaven.

Have to wonder if Hawthorne will still raise purses as Jim previously indicated. They were really counting on passage.
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« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2011, 07:44:45 PM »

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 All 3 thoroughbred tracks will have an escape clause. I agree, Joe, AP will promote their grass races and the cheap platters will be forced to run on the fake stuff along with the Illinois maidens.
 I dont expect a equitable raise in purses out of Hawthorne. Their fields might not be as full if we see an exodus of horsemen out of this state like I expect there will be.
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« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2011, 07:53:06 PM »

Where does the 3% escrow account money go?
The fact that this hasn't been adjudicated in our favor yet shows just how broken the system is.
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« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2011, 10:05:38 PM »

My understanding is that the individual tracks have about 4 yrs of the funds in their possession,but cannot do anything with it until the fed apprals court lifts theTRO. Literally so close you could touch it.
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« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2011, 10:13:45 PM »

How many times do we need to tell you, Sod -- Dan is NOT selling that share of stock!  Grin

Price of CD stock back up today.   All is well.
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« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2011, 02:59:17 PM »

It's worth the 2 free passes every year!!
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