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« on: January 10, 2011, 08:44:02 PM »

It's what this story says ...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60682/duchossois-offers-optimistic-view-of-future
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 10:30:53 PM »

FINALLY...Optimistic and Horse Racing in the same news story.  After hearing for years that horse racing is in trouble and needs, needs, needs help in the form of slot machines, money from casinos etc...  For years this business was the only game in town.  Open the doors and they will come and that they did.  Then the first riverboat came along and was considered competition for that betting dollar. 
Instead of taking the approach of promoting Horse Racing, the tracks boo-hoo'd the competition and fought for compensation from their competitors.  They did NOTHING to promote Horse Racing.  You are lucky to see entries or results in the newspaper.
If you owned a McDonald's for years and suddenly a Burger King opens across the street, do you {a} demand compensation from Burger King for losses to your McDonalds or {b} work to make your product more desirable?
Anyone can come in and CUT bottom lines and cry about losses in revenue, but it takes work and people to know how to promote their business.
This constant negative rhetoric about the state of racing is nothing but detrimental to our industry. 
COWBOY UP, promote the Sport of Kings .  The unique sport of Thoroughbred Racing.
How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 01:47:33 PM »

COWBOY UP, promote the Sport of Kings .  The unique sport of Thoroughbred Racing.
How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D

89 and still on top of his game! Illinios racing is lucky to have him!  beer beer beer
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 02:52:22 PM »

How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D

89 and still on top of his game! Illinios racing is lucky to have him!  beer beer beer

Oh, puh-leeze!

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, did that ever make the local horse racing product BETTER!

If you owned a McDonald's for years and suddenly a Burger King opens across the street, do you {a} demand compensation from Burger King for losses to your McDonalds or {b} work to make your product more desirable?

If you were RLD in 1998, you demanded compensation for your losses to the casinos, and when you didn't get it, you closed your track and went home for two years. Seriously -- you don't remember THIS??

More recently, if you were RLD, you made some kind of end run to buy up all of the old Sportman's debt, then try to squeeze Hawthorne's nuts for the barn space that Sportsmans and Hawthorne used to share. Then, you had your workers show up with trucks at Hawthorne to remove tables, chairs, carels, TVs, and anything else that came over from Sportsmans...then drove all that stuff straight to the dump, just so Hawthorne couldn't get any use out of it.

Boy, was that GOOD for Illinois racing!

 BSmeter

(An "award" for RLD? Yeah buddy I got your award RIGHT HERE.)
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 03:02:40 PM »

H V  and others, as in most of my posts about Mr D  you can be certain that every move he has made in racing has benefitted him , standing behind what he is doing for racing and Arlington Park.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 04:56:42 PM »

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, did that ever make the local horse racing product BETTER!

If you were RLD in 1998, you demanded compensation for your losses to the casinos, and when you didn't get it, you closed your track and went home for two years. Seriously -- you don't remember THIS??

I remember the casiNO buttons and his pigheaded denial of what would eventually come to be.   I respect Mr. D. for many reasons most notably for turning Arlington into a palace but I thought he was dead wrong then (back in the 90s) and he hurt horse racing as a result.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 05:58:59 PM »

.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.

the petting zoo and pony ride did very well last year.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 06:58:36 PM »

Oh, puh-leeze!

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, was that GOOD for Illinois racing!


I was there backing him up and laughing my ass off while he schooled fools like you!  trophy
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 07:02:05 PM »

I remember the casiNO buttons and his pigheaded denial of what would eventually come to be.   I respect Mr. D. for many reasons most notably for turning Arlington into a palace but I thought he was dead wrong then (back in the 90s) and he hurt horse racing as a result.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.

Mick, just out of curiosity, what results of his direct actions hurt racing in Illinois??
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 07:18:41 PM »

I was there backing him up and laughing my ass off while he schooled fools like you!  trophy

WTF are you talking about? How did RLD "school" me? By chasing me away as a patron?  screwy

Brilliant, Mel...now YOU sound like clockerbob.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 08:22:30 PM »

Fast N Firm.   I loved that "Cowboy Up? better than man up.  Can I steal that one from you?

(I don't know enough about this man in the subject of this thread to comment on it.)
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 09:09:37 PM »

Fast N Firm.   I loved that "Cowboy Up? better than man up.  Can I steal that one from you?

(I don't know enough about this man in the subject of this thread to comment on it.)

Look him up on Wikipedia and find out about him, Pam
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 09:59:42 PM »

I'll do that right now.  Thanks Dan, for the suggestion.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2011, 10:06:34 PM »

Pretty darn impressive man.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2011, 10:13:57 PM »

Look him up on Wikipedia and find out about him, Pam

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.
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« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2011, 12:33:56 AM »

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.

The Wikipedia article is pretty short, but what is says is fact. Now "deliberate omissions" and telling the "whole truth" gets us into the area of opinion and interpretation.  A sharp businessman will use any and all legal tactics to succeed.  Whether that is bad or not depends on which side you are on.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 01:25:27 AM »

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.

Wikipedia would not allow the incidents to be portrayed as you portray them, as your wording demonstrates a definite opinion. The related article about Arlington does mention it was shuttered two years.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 04:27:28 AM »

The Wikipedia article is pretty short, but what is says is fact. Now "deliberate omissions" and telling the "whole truth" gets us into the area of opinion and interpretation.  A sharp businessman will use any and all legal tactics to succeed.  Whether that is bad or not depends on which side you are on.

If you want to call RLD a sharp businessman, I have no quibble with that, but as another posted pointed out, he didn't necessarily do anything for Illinois racing that didn't benefit himself and his family first.

Using RLD's Wikipedia entry as a source of information related to this thread (which is the spirit in which you supplied the suggestion to Pammy) has actually backfired on you, Dan: as you and Terry have pointed out, the article contains "facts only" and doesn't necessarily omit anything factual, only opinions...so it follows that absent any information of what RLD has allegedly "done for Illinois racing", sharp-eyed readers can only presume that this sentiment is largely a matter of opinion, and not factual in basis. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 11:03:29 AM »

Pretty darn impressive man.

He is Pam...and Arlington Park is the most impressive race track facility I have ever attended.  trophy
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 11:20:07 AM »

If you want to call RLD a sharp businessman, I have no quibble with that, but as another posted pointed out, he didn't necessarily do anything for Illinois racing that didn't benefit himself and his family first.

Using RLD's Wikipedia entry as a source of information related to this thread (which is the spirit in which you supplied the suggestion to Pammy) has actually backfired on you, Dan: as you and Terry have pointed out, the article contains "facts only" and doesn't necessarily omit anything factual, only opinions...so it follows that absent any information of what RLD has allegedly "done for Illinois racing", sharp-eyed readers can only presume that this sentiment is largely a matter of opinion, and not factual in basis. 

That's true. What he has "done for racing", either way, is in the eye of the beholder. Industry groups give him awards for what they see. Others excoriate him for what they see. In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums. Same with horses.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 12:51:42 PM »

In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums.

Hey, didn't Hitler's buddies pepper him with awards, too?  nyah
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 01:55:58 PM »

Hey, didn't Hitler's buddies pepper him with awards, too?  nyah

Maybe. If you say so. However, history, as they say, is written by winners, and I don't see any U.S. Army of noisy forum posters ever going to take Dick D. down and rewrite the history like the winners of WWII did for Hitler.  nyah
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 02:08:25 PM »

What did Ducky Dickey do to lobby for slots at the track? Does anybody know? The politicians (and people?) of Arlington Heights were pretty adamant they didn't want slots.

And lest we forget, what is this going to do to Hawthorne? They were REALLY counting on it.

The machinations of the Illinois legislature (nee Michael Madigan) in the past 56 hours are truly a dark and tragic time for this state, horse racing being just one of the issues. These politicians are amoral criminals of the highest degree.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 02:11:09 PM »

That's true. What he has "done for racing", either way, is in the eye of the beholder. Industry groups give him awards for what they see. Others excoriate him for what they see. In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums. Same with horses.

His contributions were very long ago. And if you live long enough, you will get awards. He's been living off the fire since the smoke blew away.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 02:34:38 PM »

...and I don't see any U.S. Army of noisy forum posters...

At 17,000 posts and counting, you are definitely the go-to authority on this.  bowing
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