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« on: January 10, 2011, 07:44:02 PM »

It's what this story says ...

http://www.bloodhorse.com/horse-racing/articles/60682/duchossois-offers-optimistic-view-of-future
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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2011, 09:30:53 PM »

FINALLY...Optimistic and Horse Racing in the same news story.  After hearing for years that horse racing is in trouble and needs, needs, needs help in the form of slot machines, money from casinos etc...  For years this business was the only game in town.  Open the doors and they will come and that they did.  Then the first riverboat came along and was considered competition for that betting dollar. 
Instead of taking the approach of promoting Horse Racing, the tracks boo-hoo'd the competition and fought for compensation from their competitors.  They did NOTHING to promote Horse Racing.  You are lucky to see entries or results in the newspaper.
If you owned a McDonald's for years and suddenly a Burger King opens across the street, do you {a} demand compensation from Burger King for losses to your McDonalds or {b} work to make your product more desirable?
Anyone can come in and CUT bottom lines and cry about losses in revenue, but it takes work and people to know how to promote their business.
This constant negative rhetoric about the state of racing is nothing but detrimental to our industry. 
COWBOY UP, promote the Sport of Kings .  The unique sport of Thoroughbred Racing.
How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D
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« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2011, 12:47:33 PM »

COWBOY UP, promote the Sport of Kings .  The unique sport of Thoroughbred Racing.
How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D

89 and still on top of his game! Illinios racing is lucky to have him!  beer beer beer
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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2011, 01:52:22 PM »

How refreshing,  thanks Mr. D

89 and still on top of his game! Illinios racing is lucky to have him!  beer beer beer

Oh, puh-leeze!

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, did that ever make the local horse racing product BETTER!

If you owned a McDonald's for years and suddenly a Burger King opens across the street, do you {a} demand compensation from Burger King for losses to your McDonalds or {b} work to make your product more desirable?

If you were RLD in 1998, you demanded compensation for your losses to the casinos, and when you didn't get it, you closed your track and went home for two years. Seriously -- you don't remember THIS??

More recently, if you were RLD, you made some kind of end run to buy up all of the old Sportman's debt, then try to squeeze Hawthorne's nuts for the barn space that Sportsmans and Hawthorne used to share. Then, you had your workers show up with trucks at Hawthorne to remove tables, chairs, carels, TVs, and anything else that came over from Sportsmans...then drove all that stuff straight to the dump, just so Hawthorne couldn't get any use out of it.

Boy, was that GOOD for Illinois racing!

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(An "award" for RLD? Yeah buddy I got your award RIGHT HERE.)
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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2011, 02:02:40 PM »

H V  and others, as in most of my posts about Mr D  you can be certain that every move he has made in racing has benefitted him , standing behind what he is doing for racing and Arlington Park.
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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2011, 03:56:42 PM »

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, did that ever make the local horse racing product BETTER!

If you were RLD in 1998, you demanded compensation for your losses to the casinos, and when you didn't get it, you closed your track and went home for two years. Seriously -- you don't remember THIS??

I remember the casiNO buttons and his pigheaded denial of what would eventually come to be.   I respect Mr. D. for many reasons most notably for turning Arlington into a palace but I thought he was dead wrong then (back in the 90s) and he hurt horse racing as a result.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.
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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2011, 04:58:59 PM »

.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.

the petting zoo and pony ride did very well last year.
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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2011, 05:58:36 PM »

Oh, puh-leeze!

Where were you two clowns in 1991-1992, when the Elgin riverboat was proposed, and RLD made all of his employees were black buttons that said "casiNO" with a red circle and a slash through it? Boy, was that GOOD for Illinois racing!


I was there backing him up and laughing my ass off while he schooled fools like you!  trophy
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« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2011, 06:02:05 PM »

I remember the casiNO buttons and his pigheaded denial of what would eventually come to be.   I respect Mr. D. for many reasons most notably for turning Arlington into a palace but I thought he was dead wrong then (back in the 90s) and he hurt horse racing as a result.   He didn't kill racing and maybe it can survive but last year was pretty dismal at AP.

Mick, just out of curiosity, what results of his direct actions hurt racing in Illinois??
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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2011, 06:18:41 PM »

I was there backing him up and laughing my ass off while he schooled fools like you!  trophy

WTF are you talking about? How did RLD "school" me? By chasing me away as a patron?  screwy

Brilliant, Mel...now YOU sound like clockerbob.
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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2011, 07:22:30 PM »

Fast N Firm.   I loved that "Cowboy Up? better than man up.  Can I steal that one from you?

(I don't know enough about this man in the subject of this thread to comment on it.)
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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2011, 08:09:37 PM »

Fast N Firm.   I loved that "Cowboy Up? better than man up.  Can I steal that one from you?

(I don't know enough about this man in the subject of this thread to comment on it.)

Look him up on Wikipedia and find out about him, Pam
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« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2011, 08:59:42 PM »

I'll do that right now.  Thanks Dan, for the suggestion.
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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2011, 09:06:34 PM »

Pretty darn impressive man.
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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2011, 09:13:57 PM »

Look him up on Wikipedia and find out about him, Pam

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.
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« Reply #15 on: January 11, 2011, 11:33:56 PM »

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.

The Wikipedia article is pretty short, but what is says is fact. Now "deliberate omissions" and telling the "whole truth" gets us into the area of opinion and interpretation.  A sharp businessman will use any and all legal tactics to succeed.  Whether that is bad or not depends on which side you are on.
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« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2011, 12:25:27 AM »

Does Wikipedia have anything about the "casiNO" incident, or RLD stamping his feet and taking his bat and ball home when he closed AP for two years, and the garbage he pulled with the NJC debt?

Incomplete information and deliberate omissions can make ANYONE seem impressive. Wikipedia doesn't ever tell the whole truth.

Wikipedia would not allow the incidents to be portrayed as you portray them, as your wording demonstrates a definite opinion. The related article about Arlington does mention it was shuttered two years.
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« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2011, 03:27:28 AM »

The Wikipedia article is pretty short, but what is says is fact. Now "deliberate omissions" and telling the "whole truth" gets us into the area of opinion and interpretation.  A sharp businessman will use any and all legal tactics to succeed.  Whether that is bad or not depends on which side you are on.

If you want to call RLD a sharp businessman, I have no quibble with that, but as another posted pointed out, he didn't necessarily do anything for Illinois racing that didn't benefit himself and his family first.

Using RLD's Wikipedia entry as a source of information related to this thread (which is the spirit in which you supplied the suggestion to Pammy) has actually backfired on you, Dan: as you and Terry have pointed out, the article contains "facts only" and doesn't necessarily omit anything factual, only opinions...so it follows that absent any information of what RLD has allegedly "done for Illinois racing", sharp-eyed readers can only presume that this sentiment is largely a matter of opinion, and not factual in basis. 
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« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2011, 10:03:29 AM »

Pretty darn impressive man.

He is Pam...and Arlington Park is the most impressive race track facility I have ever attended.  trophy
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« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2011, 10:20:07 AM »

If you want to call RLD a sharp businessman, I have no quibble with that, but as another posted pointed out, he didn't necessarily do anything for Illinois racing that didn't benefit himself and his family first.

Using RLD's Wikipedia entry as a source of information related to this thread (which is the spirit in which you supplied the suggestion to Pammy) has actually backfired on you, Dan: as you and Terry have pointed out, the article contains "facts only" and doesn't necessarily omit anything factual, only opinions...so it follows that absent any information of what RLD has allegedly "done for Illinois racing", sharp-eyed readers can only presume that this sentiment is largely a matter of opinion, and not factual in basis. 

That's true. What he has "done for racing", either way, is in the eye of the beholder. Industry groups give him awards for what they see. Others excoriate him for what they see. In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums. Same with horses.
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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2011, 11:51:42 AM »

In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums.

Hey, didn't Hitler's buddies pepper him with awards, too?  nyah
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« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2011, 12:55:58 PM »

Hey, didn't Hitler's buddies pepper him with awards, too?  nyah

Maybe. If you say so. However, history, as they say, is written by winners, and I don't see any U.S. Army of noisy forum posters ever going to take Dick D. down and rewrite the history like the winners of WWII did for Hitler.  nyah
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« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2011, 01:08:25 PM »

What did Ducky Dickey do to lobby for slots at the track? Does anybody know? The politicians (and people?) of Arlington Heights were pretty adamant they didn't want slots.

And lest we forget, what is this going to do to Hawthorne? They were REALLY counting on it.

The machinations of the Illinois legislature (nee Michael Madigan) in the past 56 hours are truly a dark and tragic time for this state, horse racing being just one of the issues. These politicians are amoral criminals of the highest degree.
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« Reply #23 on: January 12, 2011, 01:11:09 PM »

That's true. What he has "done for racing", either way, is in the eye of the beholder. Industry groups give him awards for what they see. Others excoriate him for what they see. In the long run, awards and so on probably count more towards the legacy of the man than posts pro or con on racing forums. Same with horses.

His contributions were very long ago. And if you live long enough, you will get awards. He's been living off the fire since the smoke blew away.
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« Reply #24 on: January 12, 2011, 01:34:38 PM »

...and I don't see any U.S. Army of noisy forum posters...

At 17,000 posts and counting, you are definitely the go-to authority on this.  bowing
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« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2011, 01:48:00 PM »

At 17,000 posts and counting, you are definitely the go-to authority on this.  bowing

And you're certainly the go-to guy on making the subject the poster instead of the issue at hand, aren't you.  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #26 on: January 12, 2011, 01:55:05 PM »

And you're certainly the go-to guy on making the subject the poster instead of the issue at hand, aren't you.  Roll Eyes

Really? Should we sift through your 17,000+ posts to see how often you do it?

(Maybe that's why you post so much -- to obfuscate your own actions while you call out others on same? Change that screen name to "clever & cunning terry". Brilliant!)
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« Reply #27 on: January 12, 2011, 01:59:42 PM »

Screen name should revert back to Clockerstinky!
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« Reply #28 on: January 12, 2011, 02:08:02 PM »

Screen name should revert back to Clockerstinky!

Omission! How nice of you crawl out of your hole! Where have you been?
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« Reply #29 on: January 12, 2011, 02:09:50 PM »

Really? Should we sift through your 17,000+ posts to see how often you do it?

Be my guest.

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(Maybe that's why you post so much -- to obfuscate your own actions while you call out others on same?

Feel free to try and prove that.

I think you'll find that I am very rarely the first to start in with name-calling or the cheap little personal potshots, particularly in recent years. I do cop to responding in kind.
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« Reply #30 on: January 12, 2011, 02:16:39 PM »

Be my guest.

Feel free to try and prove that.

I think you'll find that I am very rarely the first to start in with name-calling or the cheap little personal potshots, particularly in recent years.

Eh, don't get your *** in a wad. I found your cheap little "army of noisy posters" potshot to be charmingly ironic, and ran with it; boy, if there EVER was an "army of one"...
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« Reply #31 on: January 12, 2011, 02:36:14 PM »

Eh, don't get your *** in a wad. I found your cheap little "army of noisy posters" potshot to be charmingly ironic, and ran with it; boy, if there EVER was an "army of one"...


 hijack as usual.
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« Reply #32 on: January 12, 2011, 03:08:18 PM »

hijack as usual.

As long as YOU are above it all (:::cough:Roll Eyes, well, that's all that matters.
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« Reply #33 on: January 12, 2011, 06:49:47 PM »

Mick, just out of curiosity, what results of his direct actions hurt racing in Illinois??
You phrased your question carefully Mel so I will answer with equal care.

This is just my opinion but RLD rejected the idea of casinos in Illinois and fought that change as hard as possible.   My opionion at the time and now is that he should have embraced that change and looked forward to how racing could benefit from casinos.   I worked at AP in the late 60s and 70s and I recall there were two class of patrons, clubhouse and grandstand.   AP could have catered to high rollers and my mothers obsession with nickel slots on different floors (the higher the floor, the higher the roller) and brought a good deal more income into AP.   Hell, Casinos were only supposed to be on water at the time and he had that great big pond to build a casino on if he wanted to, or he could have lobbied that AP was already a gambling establsihment and didn't require water.   

Then AP could operate year round on the casino side and be generating jobs, taxes and income and not sit idle for seven motnhs a year.   Had RLD that vision he could have brought more money to Illinois racing and as a result better purses and horses.  At least that was my opinion.
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« Reply #34 on: January 12, 2011, 07:01:59 PM »

That sure sound simple enough.  I wonder what was wrong with that thought in that man's mind?
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« Reply #35 on: January 12, 2011, 07:38:09 PM »

You phrased your question carefully Mel so I will answer with equal care.

This is just my opinion but RLD rejected the idea of casinos in Illinois and fought that change as hard as possible.   My opionion at the time and now is that he should have embraced that change and looked forward to how racing could benefit from casinos.   I worked at AP in the late 60s and 70s and I recall there were two class of patrons, clubhouse and grandstand.   AP could have catered to high rollers and my mothers obsession with nickel slots on different floors (the higher the floor, the higher the roller) and brought a good deal more income into AP.   Hell, Casinos were only supposed to be on water at the time and he had that great big pond to build a casino on if he wanted to, or he could have lobbied that AP was already a gambling establsihment and didn't require water.   

Then AP could operate year round on the casino side and be generating jobs, taxes and income and not sit idle for seven motnhs a year.   Had RLD that vision he could have brought more money to Illinois racing and as a result better purses and horses.  At least that was my opinion.

I don't think that idea would have flown at that time.  The riverboats got in for the taxes produced and partially because they had to be located in economically depressed areas, where the people there really did not worry about having a casino in their backyard.  The good people of Arlington Heights are barely accepting the concept now.  Horse racing was still riding high at the time and the idea of having slots at a track was not considered because the experience of horse racing and betting was above the one-armed bandits in the gambling pecking order.  The thought at the time was that casinos could take away some customers, thus the casiNO campaign.  As we now know, casinos took away a majority of the customers, and as a result, the situation is casinos are the magic bullet used to save racing.  No one had this vision at the time you are talking about.

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« Reply #36 on: January 12, 2011, 07:40:02 PM »

That sure sound simple enough.  I wonder what was wrong with that thought in that man's mind?

This was way back before the idea of the racino even came along. Back then, giving a casino license to the tracks really wasn't on any of the Illinois power-brokers' agendas. They were just talking about bringing in casino gaming ("for the kids", naturally), and a small group of well-connected businessmen was just coincidentally all lined up to get the 10 licenses, no doubt due to their long history of caring so much about the kids. Dick and the rest of the track owners weren't among those. So the tracks fought the idea. IMHO it wasn't like they could have been included at the time. Dick D. is a smart enough/savvy enough/greedy enough businessman that if he could have been included at that time, I'm sure he would have leaped at the chance.
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« Reply #37 on: January 12, 2011, 07:45:11 PM »

The thought at the time was that casinos could take away some customers, thus the casiNO campaign.  As we now know, casinos took away a majority of the customers, and as a result, the situation is casinos are the magic bullet used to save racing.  No one had this vision at the time you are talking about.
There were no internet boards back in that day but I know myself and others had that vision.   The more you resist change, there is always a strong  chance that you are more likely to fail.  Those who accept, adapt and embrace change become a part of the process and are more likely to succeed.  To be honest, I have a certain amount of disdain for the slots people.  My only experience at one of those places was pure negative (and I didn't lose a penny).   It's not my cup of tea but if it makes others happy to plug a quarter or a thousand quarters into a machine  and hope for a miracle, god bless them.
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« Reply #38 on: January 12, 2011, 09:28:34 PM »

OK.  I appreciate the answers and I see the light.   light bulb
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« Reply #39 on: January 12, 2011, 11:15:27 PM »

There were no internet boards back in that day but I know myself and others had that vision.   The more you resist change, there is always a strong  chance that you are more likely to fail.  Those who accept, adapt and embrace change become a part of the process and are more likely to succeed.  To be honest, I have a certain amount of disdain for the slots people.  My only experience at one of those places was pure negative (and I didn't lose a penny).   It's not my cup of tea but if it makes others happy to plug a quarter or a thousand quarters into a machine  and hope for a miracle, god bless them.

Mick, you were truly a man of vision then.  At that time, it was hard to envision casinos anywhere else but Las Vegas, let alone in the state of Illinois.  Although, if you had tried to follow up on your vision, I am sure racing people would have laughed at the idea, as well as the lawmakers.  How times have changed!
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« Reply #40 on: January 12, 2011, 11:35:56 PM »

Mick, you were truly a man of vision then.  At that time, it was hard to envision casinos anywhere else but Las Vegas, let alone in the state of Illinois.

Illinois already had riverboat casinos during the "casiNO" blunder. It was the proximity to Taj Duch (down the road a little in Elgin) that RLD was most worried about...when he found out HE couldn't have a casino, that is.

Nice try, though, Dan -- maybe RLD Industries will hire you as their in-house "Revisionist Historian".  Cheesy
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« Reply #41 on: January 13, 2011, 12:02:18 AM »

Illinois already had riverboat casinos during the "casiNO" blunder. It was the proximity to Taj Duch (down the road a little in Elgin) that RLD was most worried about...when he found out HE couldn't have a casino, that is.

Nice try, though, Dan -- maybe RLD Industries will hire you as their in-house "Revisionist Historian".  Cheesy

I think the idea then was to head them off at the pass, which is what casinos are successfully doing with slots at the tracks now.  We or Mr. D did not accomplish that, so then came the "let's join them" idea with the 10th casino.  We all know the mess that turned into.  Now we are into "begging" time.  Like people in those past days, I cannot see into the future and know exactly what to do for racing. Can you, HV?  How is that for a revision of history?
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« Reply #42 on: January 13, 2011, 12:54:36 AM »

Like people in those past days, I cannot see into the future and know exactly what to do for racing. Can you, HV?  How is that for a revision of history?

Yes, I can. I've been saying so, here, for years: as soon as RLD is OUT of the picture in Illinois racing, we will get slots / casinos / VLTs -- whatever the flavor of the week is at that time. Until then, nothing. Let me repeat that: NOTHING.

Nobody here has ever wanted to believe what I heard Mike Madigan say over 10 years ago, just after RLD pulled his closing of AP stunt, "...yeah, well, it'll be a cold day in hell before we give that old *** a dime...". I don't even bother to come out and pooh-pooh the latest and greatest rounds of "We're Almost There!!" threads every time a bill gathers a little steam downstate -- I already know where it's going. Nobody gets nothing decent in this state without Mike Madigan's stamp of approval, and Madigan wouldn't piss on RLD if the old man was burning to a crisp.

So, what I would do is urge RLD to divest himself completely of all racing-related holdings, ASAP, and get out of the game forever...if he really wants to save Illinois racing.

(RLD has been told this, repeatedly, by the way...and you can see how fast he is exiting the scene, so that racing here can move forward. That's why this "Mr. D. is bullish on racing" stuff is just a bunch of  BSmeter)
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« Reply #43 on: January 13, 2011, 12:56:19 AM »

You phrased your question carefully Mel so I will answer with equal care.

This is just my opinion but RLD rejected the idea of casinos in Illinois and fought that change as hard as possible.   My opionion at the time and now is that he should have embraced that change and looked forward to how racing could benefit from casinos.   

As long as I remember, he wanted casino action at Arlington. He didn't want the casinos elsewhere because he new racing needed it to survive and the only way racing would get its fair share is to have it at the facility. Oaklawn is a great example on how they should work together. I see as Mr. D being right all along. He had forsight and vision that is now seen by me as astounding. As far as Mr. D protecting his own interests, God bless him! Which one of us wouldn't do the same?
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« Reply #44 on: January 13, 2011, 12:59:41 AM »


Nobody here has ever wanted to believe what I heard Mike Madigan say over 10 years ago, just after RLD pulled his closing of AP stunt, "...yeah, well, it'll be a cold day in hell before we give that old *** a dime...".Illinois racing.

When it comes to being a fool and a idiot, Mike Madigan can hoist the trophy! trophy

Why you people keep voting for that idiot puzzles me. Huh

In any event, you deserve what you get! Good luck with that income tax hike! laughing guy
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« Reply #45 on: January 13, 2011, 01:05:15 AM »

As long as I remember, he wanted casino action at Arlington.

Oh, really? Is that how you signal your support for it, by mandating that all your employees wear "casiNO" buttons??

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Now I've heard it all! Wait, that calls for SIX rofl weebles, not just three!:

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When is your debut at the local Chuckle Hut, Mel?  laughing guy
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« Reply #46 on: January 13, 2011, 01:07:29 AM »

Oh, really? Is that how you signal your support for it, by mandating that all your employees wear "casiNO" buttons??

Of course! He wanted the casino at Arlington! Get your head out of your ass and talk to someone that knows him!  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
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« Reply #47 on: January 13, 2011, 03:31:07 AM »

Of course! He wanted the casino at Arlington! Get your head out of your ass and talk to someone that knows him!  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

No problem, Mel -- just give me YOUR source for this information (via PM, if necessary), and I'll be glad to give him or her a call and verify it...because it is the direct opposite of what my friends that worked for AP at the time told me what was being said and done there.

Hey, maybe my sources were incorrect...so just tell me who to call, and we will get to the bottom of this. Thanks.

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« Reply #48 on: January 13, 2011, 06:51:36 AM »

Of course! He wanted the casino at Arlington! Get your head out of your ass and talk to someone that knows him!  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy
Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?  I am not privy to that information.   But the newspapers all said that RLD was against casiNOs period.   There was no talk of casinos at the track (as there should have been).   Boats were the only way to get a casino and all that I read at the time was that RLD considered them a threat and wanted them gone.   There was no word in the press about him wanting one at AP.   

At some point he likely considered that they would be a benefit.   I don't know maybe he came to that conclusion much earlier and was rebuffed.   That might explain why he was so vehement against casinos (because he was cut out of the action).  In hindsight, he could have tried working with the casino and state at the beginning instead of all the rhetoric.   I think he'd of had his slots and a casino by now if he had embraced the change instead of fighting it.

 
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« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2011, 10:20:06 AM »

Who knows what goes on behind closed doors?  I am not privy to that information.   But the newspapers all said that RLD was against casiNOs period.   There was no talk of casinos at the track (as there should have been).   Boats were the only way to get a casino and all that I read at the time was that RLD considered them a threat and wanted them gone.   There was no word in the press about him wanting one at AP.   

At some point he likely considered that they would be a benefit.   I don't know maybe he came to that conclusion much earlier and was rebuffed.   That might explain why he was so vehement against casinos (because he was cut out of the action).  In hindsight, he could have tried working with the casino and state at the beginning instead of all the rhetoric.   I think he'd of had his slots and a casino by now if he had embraced the change instead of fighting it.

They will never give him slots at the track because he would attract to large of a market share. In any event, its all a matter of opinion fueled by what we know.
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« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2011, 10:22:17 AM »

No problem, Mel -- just give me YOUR source for this information (via PM, if necessary), and I'll be glad to give him or her a call and verify it...because it is the direct opposite of what my friends that worked for AP at the time told me what was being said and done there.

Hey, maybe my sources were incorrect...so just tell me who to call, and we will get to the bottom of this. Thanks.



Well, give me your name and number and I will ask my source to give you a call if he chooses to. Then you can compare the credibility of the two.
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« Reply #51 on: January 19, 2011, 05:52:40 PM »

Dirty D. is a fraud. The late Mayor Stephens of Rosemont called Dirty Dick a fraud right to his face. That incident resulted in Dirty Dick's most famous quote. After Mayor Stephens called DD a fraud, Dirty Dick rebuts "Mayor if I had your money I would throw mine away". This all went down at a charitable event. Dirty Dick is a  power hungry, lying SOB. The facts are that DD has lied to me on multiple occassions. He is evil. I know this from personal incidents and events. Him and I go back a long way.
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« Reply #52 on: January 19, 2011, 08:23:40 PM »

Dirty D. is a fraud. The late Mayor Stephens of Rosemont called Dirty Dick a fraud right to his face. That incident resulted in Dirty Dick's most famous quote. After Mayor Stephens called DD a fraud, Dirty Dick rebuts "Mayor if I had your money I would throw mine away". This all went down at a charitable event. Dirty Dick is a greedy, power hungry, lying SOB. The facts are that DD has lied to me on multiple occassions. He is evil. I know this from personal incidents and events. Him and I go back a long way.

In the spirit of Fair Honest and Balanced Terry, you have to document for me those facts about him lying to you.  You should be able to do this since "Him" go back a long ways with you.

On the other hand, I think you found another name for Mr. D's or Longshots.  Hmm, Dirty Dick's might be a possibility.
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« Reply #53 on: January 19, 2011, 09:49:31 PM »

On the other hand, I think you found another name for Mr. D's or Longshots.  Hmm, Dirty Dick's might be a possibility.

One apostrophe away from being completely nasty, Dan...oh, hell, you're there already.

I *love* it!
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« Reply #54 on: January 21, 2011, 03:03:27 PM »

In the spirit of Fair Honest and Balanced Terry, you have to document for me those facts about him lying to you.  You should be able to do this since "Him" go back a long ways with you.

On the other hand, I think you found another name for Mr. D's or Longshots.  Hmm, Dirty Dick's might be a possibility.

He looked me in the eyes and told me to come to Arlington Park and have fun. He sent me a Green A-Club card which allowed me free admission everyday. Subsequently he signed a letter that was never mailed to me explaining this is your notice your are not allowed on any Arlington owned properties, if your're found on these properties you may be arrested for criminal tresspassing. Sure enough Dirty D. invites me to Arlington, than has my arrested based on this letter. I didn't do anything wrong to deserve this treatment. Do you think Dicky boy every showed up to court as a witness. Never! The state had the case continued 3 times saying Dicky boy will be there the next court date. After three continuances the case against me was thrown out. Big waste of  my time & taxpayer's $. Strong case of harassment, but want can a peon like myself do to fight a powerful dirty old man like Duchossios. I know there will be many disbelievers, but this is the truth, I did nothing to Dicky boy or Arlington! I was falsely arrested and I have been unfairly banned from Arlington Park for the last 10 years. Peaceout!
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« Reply #55 on: January 21, 2011, 03:15:00 PM »

Gotta believe that there is more to this story. Jokester, were you ever involved in ANY incident involving AP or its property? Was it a case of mistaken identity? Ever employed by the track? Why you?
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« Reply #56 on: January 21, 2011, 03:43:38 PM »

Gotta believe that there is more to this story. Jokester, were you ever involved in ANY incident involving AP or its property? Was it a case of mistaken identity? Ever employed by the track? Why you?

Ed, I gotta believe your a very closed minded person. Of course there is more to the story. But the facts are I did nothing wrong. Don't you think if I did anything wrong I would have been convicted of a crime. I was so confident in my innocence, that I didn't even hire an attorney to represent me "stupid on my part ". It wasn't a case of mistaken identity, there were no incidents involving AP or its property, and I was never employed by AP. To make a long story short, an ex employee "Rita P." told some very nasty and viscious lies about me. Dicky boy will always support his employees, here is another quote of Dickies "I have the greatest group of employees working for me, don't you every call them liars."  I don't know why Rita P. had to tell lies about me, but I've heard from multiple sources that she was slightly crazy! I'm an open book. I've nothing to hide. I'll will answer all legitmate questions. If I was able to do things over I would sue Dicky Boy and the AP police, etc for harassment and false arrest. 
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« Reply #57 on: January 21, 2011, 04:04:26 PM »

Yeah, right.
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« Reply #58 on: January 21, 2011, 04:28:55 PM »

Yeah, right.

Right about you being closed minded! Why don't you ask Ken Kiehn about the lies Rita P. told about me. I'm a good person. I never smoked, and don't like drinking. I remember everything that happens when I'm at the track. I'm the kind of indivdual that will step in between to brawlers and break up a fight. This even happen at trackside about 15 years ago. Some musclehead was trying to beat up a skinny drunk and fists were flying. I stepped in, and wrapped up the musclehead and took him down to break up the fight. Guy looks at me and says why did you do that. Ask me why the musclehead wanted to pound the skinny drunk, its pretty funny. Peaceout
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« Reply #59 on: January 21, 2011, 10:52:09 PM »

From Jokester:

"To make a long story short, an ex employee "Rita P." told some very nasty and viscious lies about me."

Why would an ex-employee tell nasty and viscious lies about you, and especially to Mr. D?

Look, we all know that when Mr. D is crossed, he gets even.  Just ask Noel Hickey!  With that said, something significant had to happen for Mr. D to even notice your situation, let alone do all the stuff you said he did to you.

Oh, stepping into a fight that is none of your business is not a character reference for you.  That is why they have security and all those suits running around there.
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« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2011, 11:32:26 AM »

From Jokester:

"To make a long story short, an ex employee "Rita P." told some very nasty and viscious lies about me."

Why would an ex-employee tell nasty and viscious lies about you, and especially to Mr. D?

Look, we all know that when Mr. D is crossed, he gets even.  Just ask Noel Hickey!  With that said, something significant had to happen for Mr. D to even notice your situation, let alone do all the stuff you said he did to you.

Oh, stepping into a fight that is none of your business is not a character reference for you.  That is why they have security and all those suits running around there.

Hey Dan,

Firstoff, the fight was my business, not that it matters. I will always breakup an unfair fight. I felt like Lance Briggs when I took down the musclehead. By the time Arlington security showed up everybody would have be gone. The fight started because the musclehead overheard the skinny drunk telling me a Jew joke in the concession line. In reality it was none of the musclehead's business.

Also, after the criminal trespassing charges were dropped after Dickey boy had three chances to testify but refused to show up to the courthouse, which happens to be right across the street from his office I called him on the phone. I asked Dickey boy why did you invite me too Arlington and tell me to have a good time and than he me arrested based on a letter you signed notifing me that I'm not allowed on Arlington owned property. I continued to tell him that his employee's are liars. He tells me "don't ever call me employees liars, I have the greatest employees in the world." He than hung up on me. Five minutes later I receive a call from Arlington Heights PD telling me I gonna be arrested for harassment by phone. I'm pretty sure I know the genaral definition of harassment and I wasn't harassing Dirty Dick. The police begged me to come to the station on my own accord. They told me if I come voluntarily they would process me and release me on a I-Bond, and everything will be done promptly. If you make us come to your house things won't be done the same way. So I was arrested a second time, charged with harassment by phone. Again I went to court without a lawyer, because I knew I was innocent & falsely arrested . Again the state asked for 3 continuences because Dirty Dick was a very busy man. Guess what, Dickey boy never showed and the charges were once again dropped.

I believe if Dickey boy reads these post I may be falsely arrested a third time and charged with speaking the truth, or harassment thru the internet.

AP Dan, Ed and all other non believers you can believe what you want. What matters is I know the truth, I knew I  was innocent. I know I did nothing wrong. I know Rita P is a liar, and I also know Dirty Dickey Boy is a power hungry A-Hole.
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« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2011, 11:39:00 AM »

Are you related to John Frank?
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« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2011, 01:47:27 PM »

Are you related to John Frank?

Ed, I know that if you push Mr. D, you are in possible trouble.  You may feel innocent, but if you lash back, he will not turn the other cheek, no matter how insignificant you are.  That is the mark of a powerful man.

I am not saying that what Mr. D supposedly did is right, but Jokester should not have pushed him to this point of no return.  You are not going to win.  Suck it up, beg off, and let it go.  Otherwise, just go off in another direction. I still don't think we have the complete story, but I will let it go.

Also, defending a skinny drunk making a Jew joke just because everybody will be gone by the time security gets there is another story that I am done with. 
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« Reply #63 on: January 24, 2011, 02:43:21 PM »

Are you related to John Frank?

No I'm not, but my cousin is David Zenner. I also know Ken Kiehn well. I believe both David and Ken will confirm I'm a good person. That is in private of course. If either one was to vouch for me publicly Dirty Dickey boy would probably fire them.
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