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« on: December 28, 2010, 04:32:07 AM »

I'm hoping for some help on two first names at Washington Park during 1963.

This photo text from the Mar 20, 1963 Harness Horse:
Reaching the wire comfortably for his second straight in three 1962 starts is the 5-year-old Mighty H. gelding Mighty G. E., with his owner-trainer-driver Virgil Wentz aboard. Second in the 2:074/5 mile Thursday, March 14, is Mighty Victor (2-McCallum) with DeLeon Kidd (1-S. Smith) third.
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 DeLeon Kidd had some type of win streak during 1962, no idea if Smith was the driver then. Too many Smith's in my data and not enough at Chitown tracks.

 McCallum, I've nothing on.

 Thanks in advance.
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« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2010, 12:44:14 PM »

Don McCallum later worked for the IHHA. Not sure about the S Smith though. Will try and look to see if I have any programs or info about him.
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« Reply #2 on: December 28, 2010, 12:56:25 PM »

 DeLeon Kidd had 10 consecutive victories in 1966 (from Vernon Downs web site)
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« Reply #3 on: December 28, 2010, 01:03:40 PM »

many thanks.
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« Reply #4 on: December 29, 2010, 02:21:36 AM »

Don McCallum later worked for the IHHA. Not sure about the S Smith though. Will try and look to see if I have any programs or info about him.
I believe McCallum was the dealer for high stakes backstretch poker games after his training career petered out.
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« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2010, 11:41:37 AM »

This is off the thread but Mighty GE was a great mudder in his time he would win many in the mud.
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 12:29:12 PM »

This is off the thread but Mighty GE was a great mudder in his time he would win many in the mud.

 from same Mar 20, 1963 issue, however from summary:
Mighty G. E., a 17-1 outsider, and Clever Braden, even money choice of the crowd of 8,792, shared the pacing honors Thursday.
Fifth as the field of nine swung into the final quarter, Mighty G. E. swung past the favored Mighty Victory and sprinted to a one-length triumph in 2:074/5 in the eighth event. It was the second win in three starts for the five-year-old son of Mighty H. owned and driven by Virgil Wentz of Tomah, Wis.
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 From the May 27, 1964 Harness Horse and Washington Park:

Mighty G. E., a disappointment most of the season, charged up in the stretch Thursday to capture the featured Klatawah Pace. The 6‑year‑old gelding had won only one of 12 starts and accordingly was sent away at odds of 6 to 1 by a crowd of 9,651. For most of the race, he looked the part, and even at the top of the stretch was still seventh.

Here, tho, Virgil Wentz started to make his move with Mighty G. E. By the eighth pole, Mighty G. E. was fourth as Cedar Crest Delvin held a slight lead on Knight Deposit and Reed's Beauty. Mighty G. E. passed the fading Knight Deposit at the 16th pole and then caught the other two in the final 70 yards to win by a neck in 2:013/5. Reed's Beauty finished second, a nose in front of Cedar Crest Delvin.

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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2010, 12:45:42 PM »

Reed's Beauty
A top race mare for Don Busse and Merlyn Welch.
She also produced one for sure but maybe two American National winners  for Daryl Busse and Welch.
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« Reply #8 on: December 29, 2010, 12:53:43 PM »

From Mar 1985 Hoof Beats;

DARYL BUSSE: There's a lot of places you can hit, on the shaft or something like that. Of course, it's been taken away a little bit with the new bikes, and the new sharp angle shafts.
You can crack one right around the shaft, and maybe catch them with the end of the whip on the belly or something. You can crack one on the shaft and make it sound-anything to make that horse stay alive.
I have seen over the years, like Marc said, how people used to shuffle their bikes.
My old man was a great one for picking one up and kicking one in the (rump), which kept a lot of them alive, ones that wouldn't take a lot of whipping. Reed's Beauty, and Roxburgh Bob-you touch them with a whip, and I mean they stop. You couldn't hit them, but you could lift them and boot them in the (rump).
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« Reply #9 on: December 29, 2010, 12:58:43 PM »

from May 1963 Hoof Beats:

REED'S BEAUTY IN DASH-WINNING LIST
Reed's Beauty, with a summary in 1962 of 35 starts, 17 wins, six seconds, and one third, was omitted from the Leading Dash-Winning Horses in 1962 under the Three-year-old Pacer category in May Hoof Beats. Her 17 wins as a sophomore pacing filly puts her in a tie with Peachadon, that had 17 wins in 37 starts, Leading dash--winning three-year-old pacer was Rusty Range with 26 wins in 35 starts.
Reed's Beauty was a three-year-chestnut filly in 1962. She is a four--year-old now. The Index to Starters in the 1962 Year Book should be changed accordingly.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 02:12:51 PM »

who drove and trained knight deposit, maybe phil milburn or chris boring?
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 02:51:27 PM »

who drove and trained knight deposit, maybe phil milburn or chris boring?

This isn't exactly layman's-English Wink
From March 20, 1963 Harness Horse and Wash Pk:
New Kirk's victory helped Busse square accounts with Williams who reined Rockette Forbes to a nose triumph over Busse and his top pacer just a week ago, and in the $5,000 event prior to the feature drove Knight Deposit to a two and one-quarter length triumph over Reed's Beauty and Busse. New Kirk, pushed hard by the "Rockette," paced the fastest mile of the night, 2:092/5, over a heavy track en route to its third win in four starts this season.
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From May 13, 1964 Harness Horse and Wash Pk:
Earlier in the week, the five-race win skein of Ernie Jordan, came to end in a $5,000 feature when Knight Deposit led him to the wire by 51/2-lengths in 2:04 over a sloppy track. Both were well up in the early going behind the pacesetting Edgewood Brook. Rounding the far turn Bob Williams swung Knight Deposit out and took aim at the leader with Ernie Jordan and reinsman Bob Farrington dose at his heels. With about a quarter of mile to go he had collared the leader, then held off Ernie Jordan when the latter moved out for racing room.
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A Dec 19, 1962 Harness Horse and Ben White Raceway article has thew horse (Knight Deposit) in the Bob Williams stable.
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from June 26, 1963 Harness Horse and Sportsman's Park:
Robert Williams, who is also making a strong bid for leading driver honors scored a double victory winning the sixth race with favored Bernie Anderson and the ninth race with Andy Anderson. The latter was timed in a speedy 2:033/5. He also reined Knight Deposit home in the same time to win Tuesday's co-featured pace.

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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 11:49:12 PM »

wow this is good stuff, i remember it all as i read it. New Kirk used to post parade last and he had to go the opposite way to post. new Kirk was a crazy horse i used to read about him being not right in the head. anymore stuff like you posted about that era. Do you remember a driver named Kenny james and the name of his good mare?
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« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2010, 11:53:11 PM »

i remember Rusty Range was driven by Willard Niles, nice horse. Andy anderson had a big late Brush and at the end of his career a driver by the name of ronnie weinberg had him, but he was kind of sore at the end.
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2010, 01:54:21 AM »

wow this is good stuff, i remember it all as i read it. New Kirk used to post parade last and he had to go the opposite way to post. new Kirk was a crazy horse i used to read about him being not right in the head. anymore stuff like you posted about that era. Do you remember a driver named Kenny james and the name of his good mare?
Ken James died of a heart attack at a tavern after morning training,at about 47 years old.Raced a horse named Sugar Moon for many years who almost never won unless it rained.He had a pretty decent mare for a while.Can't think of her name.
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2010, 02:38:14 AM »

Kenny James had brown and tan colors and Sugar Moon was my Moms favorite horse. I believe that Reggie Colgan owned him. And he did love the mud.And Kenny being in a tavern in the morning would not surprise many anyone who knew him. How about His Grace-a high strung trotter Don Busse raced. Would break and still win.Bonanza Bill, another Busse steed. Flashie Ruth and her 15 length lead around the last turn at Washington Park and wonder if she would hold on.
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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2010, 02:39:52 AM »

I've two mentions of Ken James. 1964 & 1957.

A 1955 Mention at Maywood of Kenneth James.

 The 1957 was a winners circle photo at Cahokia. It's not great quality, however acceptable.
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2010, 02:45:14 AM »

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         Nothing on the Busse horses.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2010, 03:24:34 AM »

anymore stuff like you posted about that era.

 Battle,
          I'm going through these magazines sequentially (at least the issues I've have where I'm residing) and digitizing the data from the issues.

 None of the summaries are presented here in their entirety (with only rare exception), rather I attempt to provide interesting items.
 The mainstream and younger generations of harness racing are not generally interested in these older items.

 I've been filling in the first names where the articles used initials when originally published, as in this threads beginning, to maximize future references.

 I've more than 17,000 article digitized (converted to text) and more than 22,000 images, and the numbers grow each day (at least until I get bored and require a break).

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 I should clarify that Chicago and/or Illinois topics are only a small portion of my archived data.
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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2010, 11:57:40 AM »

naut,
         Nothing on the Busse horses.

Those were all just cheap claimers but made for lasting memories. Sometimes the 2500 claimers made more of an impression than the Invites.
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« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2010, 12:50:32 PM »

Thanks for the trivia, i love it. Long live 187th and halsted and washington park.Great memories.
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« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2010, 12:59:30 PM »

I remember going out there for the double with my brother( I wasn't old enough to drive yet). If we lost, we went back  to our local grocery store, cashed a check and headed back to the track. Lived 10 minutes from there. Kinda silly stuff now but back then it was a lot of fun.
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« Reply #22 on: December 31, 2010, 01:13:52 PM »

Those were all just cheap claimers but made for lasting memories. Sometimes the 2500 claimers made more of an impression than the Invites.

 I typed a long reply, then hit the wrong button and the damned thing disappeared.
 Not typing again.

 It's been a real joy for me, that as I'm archiving these old materials, I find that some of the formerly cheap-old-warriors were prominent youngster.
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« Reply #23 on: December 31, 2010, 01:16:40 PM »

Thanks for the trivia, i love it. Long live 187th and halsted and washington park.Great memories.

 There's somebody on eBay selling multiple newspapers archives photo's.
 Among the Chicago Trib photo's are two of Wash Park after the fire.
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« Reply #24 on: December 31, 2010, 06:24:04 PM »

speaking about Ill racing in the 60's -I went to school down state - but went to the race 2-3 times a week - I remember a horse -  I think his name was Rusty Range (?) he won a bunch of races -anyone remember him?
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« Reply #25 on: December 31, 2010, 06:34:09 PM »

Who was the first three-year-old to race faster than two-minutes at Sportsman's Park?
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« Reply #26 on: December 31, 2010, 08:28:30 PM »

speaking about Ill racing in the 60's -I went to school down state - but went to the race 2-3 times a week - I remember a horse -  I think his name was Rusty Range (?) he won a bunch of races -anyone remember him?
     Yes williard niles drove him.
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« Reply #27 on: December 31, 2010, 09:41:24 PM »

Who was the first three-year-old to race faster than two-minutes at Sportsman's Park?
I will guess The 1954 American National won by Race Time with Jimmy Arthur in 1:59
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« Reply #28 on: December 31, 2010, 10:46:12 PM »

 
  Bret Hanover ran big time at Sportsman's Park , but can't say was the first.
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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2011, 12:13:15 AM »

I will guess The 1954 American National won by Race Time with Jimmy Arthur in 1:59

 Is this a typo?
 Was 1954 meant to be 1964?

 from the 1964 LBJ:
The withdrawal of Race Time because of a prolonged virus, the last-minute purchase of Red Carpet from the Almahurst Farms by the Miron Brothers, the prospect of a large field, all kept horsemen and fans alike guessing about the outcome. However, as the race progressed it was all Vicar Hanover and Combat Time.


 A Mich-Bred named Knoxon

 The following excerpt from July 8, 1964 Harness Horse and Sportsman's Park:
KNOXON PACES FIRST 2:00 3-YEAR-OLD MILE AT SPORTSMAN
Knoxon, the brilliant colt from Michigan, became the first 3-year-old to pace a mile faster than 2:00 at Sportsman's Park when he won the $6,000 Invitational Pace in 1:593/5 by a nose from Bosco Rosco. Breeder-owner Ervin Waldo drove Knoxon to his outstanding victory before a crowd of 13,461.

Away fastest from the gate, Knoxon outsprinted his six rivals around the first turn to reach the first quarter in :284/5. At the half-mile mark, Knoxon had a one-length lead over Ben Barrett with the rest of the field all close up. Bosco Rosco started his move at the head of the stretch followed by Lenawee Creed (maybe Harold Fisher) to inch up on the leader. From the eighth pole on it was a free-for-all battle between Knoxon, Bosco Rosco (Russell Valles Key), Combat Time (Bruce Nickells) and Fiametta (likely Del Insko).

It took several minutes before the photo finish picture revealed that Knoxon had won by a nose over Bosco Rosco, which had half a length advantage over Combat Time. The other four starters all finished within two lengths of each other.

Knoxon's time, of course, is a new track record for 3-year-old pacers at Sportsman's Park and the second 2:00 mile by a 3-year-old over a Chicago area harness track. Countess Adios and Adios Don jointly held the old mark of 2:002/5.
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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2011, 12:18:17 AM »

 
  Bret Hanover ran big time at Sportsman's Park , but can't say was the first.

 Bret wasn't known for running, perhaps that was his race at
Arlington Wink
 Sorry couldn't resist.

 Bret was a 2YO in 1964.
 Perhaps your recollection is from 1965?
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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2011, 12:51:39 AM »

Quote from: Quote from: crackergenius on December 31, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
speaking about Ill racing in the 60's -I went to school down state - but went to the race 2-3 times a week - I remember a horse -  I think his name was Rusty Range (?) he won a bunch of races -anyone remember him?

     Yes williard niles drove him.

The following from June 1963 Hoof Beats and by Dave Garland:

Top candidate for find of the year laurels in the 1963 series is Rusty Range, a bay son of Russet Hal p, T-1:594/5m-Rangeway p, 2:06f, who stunned Maywood Park fans and professionals alike with a come-from behind victory in the HTA inaugural leg. Stunned may be putting it mildly, for the Michigan-bred and owned upsetter returned an event-record $89.80 for $2.00 to those few who not only knew the horse, but had the courage to go against the majority opinion of his relative merits.

Two weeks later, Rusty and his driver, Willard Niles, proved that the Maywood win was far from a fluke by capturing the Brandywine leg of the series as well.

Just why Rusty Range was such an un-known at Maywood actually isn't a great mystery. While his career record is as impressive as they come, it's doubtful if more than a handful of even the sport's deepest diggers had ever heard of the Russet Hal-Rangeway offspring.

As a two-year-old, racing in Michigan on what is acknowledged to be a very worthy colt circuit, and with an occasional forray to the pari-mutuel meetings, the colt won 18 of 25 starts and took a mark of 2:083/5f. An excellent record for anybody's two-year-old, it is readily admitted, but the fact that two-year-old pacers have been known to go in 2:00 accounts for the fact that his reputation failed to cross state lines.

Last year, Rusty did even better. With Niles at the reins, he won 26 times in 35 starts, reduced his mark to 2:02f, and earned more than $24,000. Again, an outstanding record, but three-year-old pacers have been known to bank more than $100,000 in a racing season. And again, most of his 35 starts took place in his home state.
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 Many wonder what the horse may have done with a driver-more-in-the-limelight, and in reflection, it's easy to assume such things (some wonder what Bret Hanover may have accomplished with different driver), however Dean Hoffman's Jan Hoof Beats article (The Classics) and regarding Speedy Streak after he was removed from the backstretch care of Art Hult and the Ervin stable provides an interesting insight on what may happen when horses are moved to other management.
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« Reply #32 on: January 01, 2011, 04:30:36 AM »

I will guess The 1954 American National won by Race Time with Jimmy Arthur in 1:59
Yes 1954 was a typo. I meant to post 1964.
I was thinking that the first 2:00 mile would have come in The American National. When I looked up the American Nationals on the USTA. website I discovered that they were first raced as The Trotting Club Stakes at Sedalia MO. from 1948 -1950.  Who Knew?

The chronicles of rich and historic events is a free service posted under History Of Major Races in turn posted under Racing.
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« Reply #33 on: January 01, 2011, 07:01:30 AM »

The chronicles of rich and historic events is a free service posted under History Of Major Races in turn posted under Racing.

 I was unable to locate this just the other day when attempting to look something up an inquiry.

 The saved link I had on the USTA website was dead.
 I'd assumed the USTA just removed the page, rather than keep it updated.

 Was able to locate History of Major Races

 Many thanks.
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« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2011, 07:09:08 AM »

This brief item (which might tweak your interest) from the Feb 23, 1928 Trotter and Pacer magazine:

 The Trotting Club Stakes

RACES of value for fast class trotters have long been one of the great needs of our major racing circuits. Realizing this, the Trotting Horse Club of America is sponsoring a series of races for free-for-all trotters, open to any horse regardless of record or earnings, to be raced at the eight Grand Circuit meetings. The events will be put on at the first Toledo, North Randall, Kalamazoo, Goshen, Syracuse, Indianapolis, Lexington and Atlanta meetings. The preliminary payments of $100 on the closing date, April 2d, on May 1st, and on June 1st, will keep horses eligible to all eight races up to the day before the race when a $500 starting fee will be payable.

With $1000 and a proportionate share of the earlier payments added to each race, a series of high grade contests for our best trotters is assured. There has been a feeling for years that the highest type of trotters were cut off from a satis factory earning power just at the height of their form, when their names had become famous enough to possess genuine attraction for the race going public. The Trotting Club stakes provide for these stars very satisfactorily.

For instance, Iosola's Worthy, penalized under the money classification for winning the turf's greatest stake, would be able to start in these events, although, of course, in her case it is unlikely, as the mare has been retired to the breeding ranks. The new system of classification will tend to make the free-for-all classes better and more profitable on both mile and half-mile tracks. The Trotting Horse Club is to be commended for this effort to improve racing for faster class horses.
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 These 1928 races were developed to circumvent earnings restrictions.

 Any clue if the pacing races at Sedalia or the later American-Nationals offer the same exceptions?
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« Reply #35 on: January 01, 2011, 10:06:47 AM »

@Wilderness, was Willard Niles related to Archie Niles?
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2011, 10:41:43 AM »

Rose and Archie Niles Sr., had a dozen or more kids.

 Kinda doubt you ever saw Archie Sr race and assuming your referring to Jr.

 No idea of the order or even all their names.
Archie Jr, Willard and Howard, one of the girls (Lorraine) was a friend of a relative. One of the other Niles Girls is married to Fred Webster Jr.

 Believe I've an obit on Rose Niles somewhere, however unable to locate.

 The story goes, that Rose and Archie Sr. used to load all the kids in the transportation and spend the summers at the Mich Fairs.
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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2011, 10:59:19 AM »

The story goes, that Rose and Archie Sr. used to load all the kids in the transportation and spend the summers at the Mich Fairs.

 Vegas,
           I don't desire to veer off topic with this thread.
I'm sure the Niles Children have many special memories, despite the fact they all had a hand in the work. Feeding a family that large is proven difficult and the kids ate were they could.

 My paternal grandmother came from a family of thirteen children and they had very tough times.

 My maternal grandfather came from a family of eighteen children (in Alabama) an they had a tougher time.

 Being the oldest grandchild on both sides of my family, I was fortunate to be able to meet many of these relatives, not many are so blessed.
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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2011, 04:15:08 PM »

There was a race with rosco bosco and bosco rosco and bosco in it however i forgot who won it at washington park.
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2011, 04:43:10 PM »

There was a race with rosco bosco and bosco rosco and bosco in it however i forgot who won it at washington park.

 One or the other must have changed race classes.

 Wednesday Sept 23, 1964 Rosco Bosco raced in a 2k Cond.

 Saturday Sept 26, Bosco Rosco raced in the 7.5k Invite and then shipped out to Calif (multiple horsemen that year left Chicago early because of a pending rail stirke, which was settled before the Cal meets started). Bosco Rosco was in the Russel Valles Key stable.
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« Reply #40 on: January 01, 2011, 08:36:34 PM »

Rose and Archie Niles Sr., had a dozen or more kids.

 Kinda doubt you ever saw Archie Sr race and assuming your referring to Jr.

 No idea of the order or even all their names.
Archie Jr, Willard and Howard, one of the girls (Lorraine) was a friend of a relative. One of the other Niles Girls is married to Fred Webster Jr.

 Believe I've an obit on Rose Niles somewhere, however unable to locate.

 The story goes, that Rose and Archie Sr. used to load all the kids in the transportation and spend the summers at the Mich Fairs.
Archie Niles Jr. raced at R.R.,believe he also had a bar in Westbury L.I. called The Trotter Inn, if I'm not mistaken!
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« Reply #41 on: January 01, 2011, 09:11:56 PM »

Archie Niles Jr. raced at R.R.,believe he also had a bar in Westbury L.I. called The Trotter Inn, if I'm not mistaken!

 Vegas,
            If Archie Jr., did?
 I'm not aware it. however my lack of awareness is not anything definitive.

 I could inquire with some Mich old-timers if it's necessary?

 Howard Niles ran his own Horse transport company. Somehow even shipped a few by air.
 Believe I've ad showing one of Howard's trucks.
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