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« Reply #100 on: November 16, 2010, 11:35:53 PM »

knowitall,

I have a question for you. Don't know you from adam, but my question for you is ( Based on all of your posts I have read) Is why do you care about anything harness racing? All you do is bash everything about it and I can't believe that you still bet is based on your posts! And why do you have to call everyone who disputes anything you post a Carackhead? If you are still betting harness racing, which based on your post's you hate, then you are the biggest crackhead alive...

Number one, I've been here off and on since almost day one so I know admin,

second, have you ever tried to stop a 40 year bad habit?

You either cave in to the crackheads and chemists and quit or you fight back and try to force the governing bodies to do their job and police the sport they are in charge of!

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« Reply #101 on: November 16, 2010, 11:56:59 PM »

Knowitall never sweeps it under the table or accepts what every one else seems to and at least he speaks out what he feels are bad things in the sport we dont have to agree but we still need to at least listen to what he has to say and I like reading knowitall sometime I just like to read.
Thanks KNowitall your points about the rules not even for all are a black eye that is putting this sport under.
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« Reply #102 on: November 17, 2010, 12:18:40 AM »

If my reasoning is so twisted then why did Don Irvine Jr received a completely different punishment for damaging/watering laughing guy casino property?  

Don Irvine already had nine strikes against him. Do you believe 1st time offenders deserve the same punishment as habitual recidivists? 
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« Reply #103 on: November 17, 2010, 12:55:27 AM »

Don Irvine already had nine strikes against him. Do you believe 1st time offenders deserve the same punishment as habitual recidivists? 

Are you saying Irvine had multiple offenses against the casino or at the racetrack?

Irvine was a 1st time offender at the casino just like Marcus thats public knowledge.

So why would the casino consider multiple past offenses at the track when that would be the job of the stewards and the IRC.  Marcus had been suspended for an integrity issue in Illinois also which does NOT qualify as a First Time Offender!
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« Reply #104 on: November 17, 2010, 01:22:20 AM »

Are you saying Irvine had multiple offenses against the casino or at the racetrack?

You know better than me. All I know is he'd had multiple alcohol problems and was on a probationary racing license.

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Irvine was a 1st time offender at the casino just like Marcus thats public knowledge.

So why would the casino consider multiple past offenses at the track when that would be the job of the stewards and the IRC.

Who knows? Maybe they consider whipping it out in front of old ladies on the gaming floor and pissing all over a machine a worse offense than breaking up something outside. If a guy had been a problem at their facility before, even on the racing side, why would they not take that into consideration?

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Marcus had been suspended for an integrity issue in Illinois also which does NOT qualify as a First Time Offender!

Marcus had a minor driving suspension in another state. He had no history of drunken rampages in Indiana, or destroying casino property, or even racing issues in Indiana. That's unlike Don Irvine, who had a lengthy Indiana rap sheet.

Have you inquired of the Indiana casino/track companies why they treated these two drivers differently? It seems they would have a better answer than the IRB.
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« Reply #105 on: November 18, 2010, 02:04:14 PM »

Its obvious Swoodall that you have an axe to grind with Marcus Miller, possibly because you've lost hundreds of dollars betting on him and in your skewered head that means he shouldn't be allowed to make a living.

First of all:

Simply because Marcus Miller drove horses at Indiana Downs Racetrack does not make him a "contractor" to the Indiana Casino. Look up the definition of a contractor:"one who enters into a contract," from L. contractor , noun of action from contrahere ; specifically of "one who enters into a contract to provide work, services, or goods"

Now Marcus Miller has not entered into any form of contract with anyone at the Indiana Downs Casino. He is not providing them with any service, work or goods. Therefore your original theory/premise is completely inaccurate.

Secondly:

The reason Don Irvine was suspended and forced to leave Indiana Downs racetrack was because he committed alcohol related offenses while driving with a "Provisional License." As you can read in this little article:

Veteran driver Don Irvine Jr. was taken off his mounts at Indiana Downs Saturday, Aug. 23, and his license has been suspended by the Indiana Horse Racing Commission (IHRC).
 
Irvine, racing on a probationary license, will be unable to drive while the IHRC and Indiana Gaming Commission investigate an incident which occurred last week at Hoosier Park’s casino.
 
Indiana Downs presiding judge Tim Schmitz confirmed Irvine’s suspension, but deferred any further questions to IHRC executive director Joe Gorajec, who could not be reached on Monday, Aug. 25. Irvine had been racing on a probationary license since March 2007.
 
A six-time leading driver at Hoosier Park, Irvine did not apply for a license in 2006 after being involved in an accident and failing a field sobriety test in late March. He was granted the probationary license after completing a 12-week program for alcohol abuse and enrolling in an after care program."

Thus when Mr Irvine was investigated and it was deemed that alcohol consumption was a very large factor in his "pissing on a slot machine" as you so elegantly phrase it, his provisional license was revoked from the Indiana Downs presiding judge Tim Schmitz.

Therefore,

Since Marcus Miller's license was in good standing with the Indiana Downs and Indiana harness association, and he had no prior history of causing trouble in Indiana, his case was dealt with internally by the powers that be. There is no conspiracy or miscarriage of justice, and you can go back to following Rucker to the windows and rambling about crackheads.

Have an excellent day, and you're welcome for the education.   

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« Reply #106 on: November 18, 2010, 03:03:20 PM »

All this well thought out discussion about Marcus Millers antics should be put into another posting . Your Bobbi Smolin title is very misleading so I'll post a new topic title .
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« Reply #107 on: November 18, 2010, 03:57:25 PM »

Its obvious Swoodall that you have an axe to grind with Marcus Miller, possibly because you've lost hundreds of dollars betting on him and in your skewered head that means he shouldn't be allowed to make a living. First of all:
Simply because Marcus Miller drove horses at Indiana Downs Racetrack does not make him a "contractor" to the Indiana Casino. Look up the definition of a contractor:"one who enters into a contract," from L. contractor , noun of action from contrahere ; specifically of "one who enters into a contract to provide work, services, or goods"
Now Marcus Miller has not entered into any form of contract with anyone at the Indiana Downs Casino. He is not providing them with any service, work or goods. Therefore your original theory/premise is completely inaccurate. Secondly:
The reason Don Irvine was suspended and forced to leave Indiana Downs racetrack was because he committed alcohol related offenses while driving with a "Provisional License." As you can read in this little article:
Veteran driver Don Irvine Jr. was taken off his mounts at Indiana Downs Saturday, Aug. 23, and his license has been suspended by the Indiana Horse Racing Commission (IHRC).
Irvine, racing on a probationary license, will be unable to drive while the IHRC and Indiana Gaming Commission investigate an incident which occurred last week at Hoosier Park’s casino.Indiana Downs presiding judge Tim Schmitz confirmed Irvine’s suspension, but deferred any further questions to IHRC executive director Joe Gorajec, who could not be reached on Monday, Aug. 25. Irvine had been racing on a probationary license since March 2007.A six-time leading driver at Hoosier Park, Irvine did not apply for a license in 2006 after being involved in an accident and failing a field sobriety test in late March. He was granted the probationary license after completing a 12-week program for alcohol abuse and enrolling in an after care program."Thus when Mr Irvine was investigated and it was deemed that alcohol consumption was a very large factor in his "pissing on a slot machine" as you so elegantly phrase it, his provisional license was revoked from the Indiana Downs presiding judge Tim Schmitz. Therefore,
Since Marcus Miller's license was in good standing with the Indiana Downs and Indiana harness association, and he had no prior history of causing trouble in Indiana, his case was dealt with internally by the powers that be. There is no conspiracy or miscarriage of justice, and you can go back to following Rucker to the windows and rambling about crackheads.
Have an excellent day, and you're welcome for the education.   

Thank God The Idiot Is Back! geezer screwy  I missed You! poor baby
But the length of your post is causing my computer problems responding so I will reply in another box.
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« Reply #108 on: November 18, 2010, 04:38:41 PM »

You call me an idiot, but you don't know how to respond to my post because of its length? I suppose there's some irony in there somewhere.

Moron.
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« Reply #109 on: November 18, 2010, 04:44:38 PM »

Your "Education Services" are always a clear example of how a little knowledge in the wrong hands can be a very dangerous even comical event.

Drivers are considered Independent Contractors with the racetracks.  You first error is trying to establish a nonexistent wall of separation between Casino and Track Operations.  As if one exists completely independent of the other.  The Casino's ownership has been already pointed here to be comingled in the corporate umbrella of parent ownership. The casino subsidy is the sole reason Indiana Downs was built!  The casino pays welfare payments to the racetrack for purses that Marcus Miller is paid from, so I didn't even need to play the Kevin Bacon 6 degrees of separation to make a DIRECT CONNECTION from Marcus Miller to the Casino!
You Lose! screwy

Using your logic of this NON-EXISTENT wall of separation between track and casino, Don Irvine Jr should NEVER have been suspended for pissing on a slot machine.  The alcohol related incident did not occur at the track or affect his ability to drive horses he was programed to drive.  So why aren't you screaming bloody murder that Don Irvine was treated unfairly?  Maybe the reason is misconduct by a racetrack "Driving Celebrity" at the Casino or Racetrack reflects negatively on BOTH OPERATIONS! doh

I sure there is no shortage of horsemen reading this who have had licenses in good standing that had their disciplinary hearings go through the proper channels for far less severe actions then Marcus Miller's, yet Marcus Miller gets special treatment and his penalty is structured to NOT affect his ability to drive in other jurisdictions! bowing  
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« Reply #110 on: November 18, 2010, 04:58:09 PM »

You call me an idiot, but you don't know how to respond to my post because of its length? I suppose there's some irony in there somewhere.

Moron.

From day 1 here my reply box has been limited to roughly 25 lines.

The box will not show what you type as you type it stays in one place in the middle of a long quote or reply.

After several reply lines it competely stops allowing a response and forces me to use a second reply box.  Why I don't know?  This doesn't happen at all the forums.

Moron! poor baby
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« Reply #111 on: November 18, 2010, 05:20:50 PM »

Back in the Day Rucker knew this goof Swoodall would follow him to the windows to see who he was betting so he would give a couple bucks to someone while swoodall was watching and the person would go to the windows with Swoodall in hot pursuit!  laughing guy laughing guy
then as everyone was laughing there asses off rucker would send someone to make his real bets!
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« Reply #112 on: November 18, 2010, 05:27:26 PM »

Back in the Day Rucker knew this goof Swoodall would follow him to the windows to see who he was betting so he would give a couple bucks to someone while swoodall was watching and the person would go to the windows with Swoodall in hot pursuit!  laughing guy laughing guy
then as everyone was laughing there asses off rucker would send someone to make his real bets!

 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy          What? screwy

Go back in the archives and see that I posted Rucker bet at the sam machine himself and put $3,600 into pk4's and other gimmicks and LOST!

Rucker has now removed his name from ownership on all his horses plus transferred training responsibilities to beards in an effort to shaft Catrina in their divorce settlement!

Who's  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy  NOW!
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« Reply #113 on: November 18, 2010, 05:34:36 PM »

laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy          What? screwy

Go back in the archives and see that I posted Rucker bet at the sam machine himself and put $3,600 into pk4's and other gimmicks and LOST!

Rucker has now removed his name from ownership on all his horses plus transferred training responsibilities to beards in an effort to shaft Catrina in their divorce settlement!

Who's  laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy  NOW!

Like I said back in the Day! Man your a legend when I run in to a few of the people that hung around back then, someone still brings up the story about the goof who use to follow Rucker to the windows! Man I'm laughing now.
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« Reply #114 on: November 18, 2010, 05:34:52 PM »

NOT YET !
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« Reply #115 on: November 18, 2010, 09:05:38 PM »

 hijack

Bobby wants to know why his thread has been hijacked , only 1 page is about him  laughing guy

Moderators ~ do your job !!!!
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« Reply #116 on: November 19, 2010, 01:12:18 AM »

Like I said back in the Day! Man your a legend when I run in to a few of the people that hung around back then, someone still brings up the story about the goof who use to follow Rucker to the windows! Man I'm laughing now.

 laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

You do realize that Seldon Ledfraud, Rucker, Clegg and many others would bet at the old otb in the old mall to avoid being seen betting at the track?  They even showed up there to cash tickets before heading out together for their weekly outing on the riverboat.  Seldon would ditch Jesk to come there and bet.  So what fantasy world are you referring too? screwy  I wasn't at the track! doh
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« Reply #117 on: November 19, 2010, 10:45:11 AM »

laughing guy laughing guy laughing guy

You do realize that Seldon Ledfraud, Rucker, Clegg and many others would bet at the old otb in the old mall to avoid being seen betting at the track?  They even showed up there to cash tickets before heading out together for their weekly outing on the riverboat.  Seldon would ditch Jesk to come there and bet.  So what fantasy world are you referring too? screwy  I wasn't at the track! doh

Sounds like you were stalking them regardless of where it was at  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #118 on: November 19, 2010, 11:29:31 AM »

hijack

Bobby wants to know why his thread has been hijacked , only 1 page is about him  laughing guy

Moderators ~ do your job !!!!
  hijack hijack hijack
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« Reply #119 on: November 19, 2010, 11:59:21 AM »

Not a perfect split, but this thread was too long to do it any other way.
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« Reply #120 on: November 19, 2010, 12:10:41 PM »

Not a perfect split, but this thread was too long to do it any other way.

Now we know he knowsitall Two threads devoted to his pearls of wisdom.  bang head bang head
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« Reply #121 on: November 19, 2010, 06:47:45 PM »

Now we know he knowsitall Two threads devoted to his pearls of wisdom.  bang head bang head

 laughing guy LMFAO
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« Reply #122 on: December 01, 2010, 05:54:04 PM »

Then no one would come race in Illinois anymore? 800k handles and purses for 2400?
How about some famous old horsemen in Chicago...we could talk about Ron Marsh, Doug Hamilton, Brian Pelling, even good ole Case was there for a bit.

I hate to keep this post running, but "Ron Marsh"Huh I hope its not the one from Vernon.......................... head shake
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« Reply #123 on: December 01, 2010, 05:59:19 PM »

The Ron Marsh in Chicago was Joe Marsh JR's kid. Was making a name for himself in the mid to late 80's when had some problems. Did make a comeback but had not seen his name in at least 5 years.
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« Reply #124 on: December 01, 2010, 06:23:37 PM »

The Ron Marsh in Chicago was Joe Marsh JR's kid. Was making a name for himself in the mid to late 80's when had some problems. Did make a comeback but had not seen his name in at least 5 years.
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