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FILLYNATION
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« Reply #75 on: November 14, 2010, 03:16:54 PM »

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« Reply #76 on: November 15, 2010, 11:25:46 PM »

Here is Mickey Ezzo's response to my email that I referenced earlier,

Mr. Woodall,

Marcus Miller was not suspended by the Indiana Racing Commission.  It was Track Management that did not permit him to drive.  On October 28th the Illinois Stewards issued a ruling excluding Robert Smolin.  The Indiana Stewards prevented Mr. Smolin from driving due to reciprocity.

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« Reply #77 on: November 15, 2010, 11:30:57 PM »

Here is Mickey Ezzo's response to my email that I referenced earlier,

Mr. Woodall,

Marcus Miller was not suspended by the Indiana Racing Commission.  It was Track Management that did not permit him to drive.  On October 28th the Illinois Stewards issued a ruling excluding Robert Smolin.  The Indiana Stewards prevented Mr. Smolin from driving due to reciprocity.

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Where was that ruling excluding Smolin posted ?
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« Reply #78 on: November 15, 2010, 11:36:56 PM »

Here is my reply to Mickey Ezzo's response,
Mr. Ezzo,
So if I understand this official IRB spin correctly, Marcus Miller damaging Indiana Casino property doesn't concern you because Indiana Track Management handled the offense internally.  If the Illinois General Assembly caves in and passes a law allowing the Illinois tracks to have slots, will Marcus Miller's behavior concern you then?  When Don Irvine Jr pissed on a slot machine Indiana kicked him out and he hasn't been back.  Why is Marcus Miller's attack on Casino property being treated differently?  Whatever happened to all horsemen, regardless of financial status, being treated equally?

At the time of my email no one had seen a ruling posted on Mr. Smolin.  Is it posted for public viewing now?

Thank You For Your Response,
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« Reply #79 on: November 15, 2010, 11:39:28 PM »

Where was that ruling excluding Smolin posted ?


Excellent question!

Mr Ezzo conviently ignored the location part!
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« Reply #80 on: November 15, 2010, 11:54:36 PM »

Here is my reply to Mickey Ezzo's response,
Mr. Ezzo,
So if I understand this official IRB spin correctly, Marcus Miller damaging Indiana Casino property doesn't concern you because Indiana Track Management handled the offense internally.  If the Illinois General Assembly caves in and passes a law allowing the Illinois tracks to have slots, will Marcus Miller's behavior concern you then?  When Don Irvine Jr pissed on a slot machine Indiana kicked him out and he hasn't been back.  Why is Marcus Miller's attack on Casino property being treated differently?  Whatever happened to all horsemen, regardless of financial status, being treated equally?

At the time of my email no one had seen a ruling posted on Mr. Smolin.  Is it posted for public viewing now?

Thank You For Your Response,
Completely forgot about the Irvine slot machine incident.  Maybe inside pissing on a slot machine is bad but outside property damage is OK.   bang head bang head One makes money for the casino while the other is just for show.
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« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2010, 01:07:50 AM »

Illinois tracks and stewards have NEVER treated everyone equally.
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« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2010, 01:22:57 AM »

Maybe it is different in harness, but I can't understand why anyone would expect a State racing regulatory agency to take action based on an action by a private track/racino in another state. If the Indiana racing commission didn't do anything against Miller, why should Illinois? Mr. Miller is not barred from driving at Hoosier Park, is he?
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« Reply #83 on: November 16, 2010, 01:48:50 AM »

Maybe it is different in harness, but I can't understand why anyone would expect a State racing regulatory agency to take action based on an action by a private track/racino in another state. If the Indiana racing commission didn't do anything against Miller, why should Illinois? Mr. Miller is not barred from driving at Hoosier Park, is he?

This guy is a complete troll. He hates harness. So he comes over here to start something.
WOW
Doucherterry is against harness racing.
I'm impressed.
Maybe soon it will be gone and the thoroughbreds will be like Breeders cup every day.
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« Reply #84 on: November 16, 2010, 08:52:50 AM »

Maybe it is different in harness, but I can't understand why anyone would expect a State racing regulatory agency to take action based on an action by a private track/racino in another state. If the Indiana racing commission didn't do anything against Miller, why should Illinois? Mr. Miller is not barred from driving at Hoosier Park, is he?
He is barred from driving at Hoosier.
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FILLYNATION
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« Reply #85 on: November 16, 2010, 09:55:39 AM »

Indiana standards are much higher then in illinois ....
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« Reply #86 on: November 16, 2010, 11:49:04 AM »

He is barred from driving at Hoosier.

Was that a racing commission action?
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« Reply #87 on: November 16, 2010, 12:07:00 PM »

OK, sometimes members who otherwise seem relatively intelligent need a little help to turn on the  light bulb  so here goes:
Horsemen beg for Casino welfare or a Casino subsidy in order to just survive!
State takes revenue from Casino and tax payers to help struggling horsemen.
Casino invests in new facility that attaches to track clubhouse entrance.
Horsemen race for record purses and track enjoys increase in new revenue.
Track and Casino operate in tandem to the benefit of all horsemen.
Ungrateful driver while drinking causes damage to Casino property without cause.
Casino bans driver, Track refuses driver entry due to common property issues.
Racing Board and track protect driver's reputation due to family influence.
Track and IRC refuse to rule and protect Casino/Track relationship and subsidy.
Driver is NOT a patron, He is a Contractor/Employee of Track/Casino Partnership.
You try and damage your Employer/Corporate Partner's property and stay employed!
IRB has no reciprocity without IRC action.  IRC remains silent.
Marcus Miller pulls rank, even Don Irvine Jr couldn't pull that off!
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« Reply #88 on: November 16, 2010, 12:39:17 PM »

OK, sometimes members who otherwise seem relatively intelligent need a little help to turn on the  light bulb  so here goes:
Horsemen beg for Casino welfare or a Casino subsidy in order to just survive!
State takes revenue from Casino and tax payers to help struggling horsemen.
Casino invests in new facility that attaches to track clubhouse entrance.
Horsemen race for record purses and track enjoys increase in new revenue.
Track and Casino operate in tandem to the benefit of all horsemen.
Ungrateful driver while drinking causes damage to Casino property without cause.
Casino bans driver, Track refuses driver entry due to common property issues.
Racing Board and track protect driver's reputation due to family influence.
Track and IRC refuse to rule and protect Casino/Track relationship and subsidy.
Driver is NOT a patron, He is a Contractor/Employee of Track/Casino Partnership.
You try and damage your Employer/Corporate Partner's property and stay employed!
IRB has no reciprocity without IRC action.  IRC remains silent.
Marcus Miller pulls rank, even Don Irvine Jr couldn't pull that off!

That's certainly your theory, and it sounds like your issue is with the Indiana commission, not so much the Illinois one.

Did the Indiana Racing Commission take action against this Don Irvine and rule him off the tracks, or did the racinos simply exclude him? And, isn't Irvine the same driver who had about a zillion previous problems, including failing sobriety tests?
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« Reply #89 on: November 16, 2010, 01:12:52 PM »

That's certainly your theory, and it sounds like your issue is with the Indiana commission, not so much the Illinois one.

Did the Indiana Racing Commission take action against this Don Irvine and rule him off the tracks, or did the racinos simply exclude him? And, isn't Irvine the same driver who had about a zillion previous problems, including failing sobriety tests?
Why do you think he pissed on the machine.  Mr. Irvine has been known to hoist an occasional cocktail over and over and over again.
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« Reply #90 on: November 16, 2010, 01:13:45 PM »

That's certainly your theory, and it sounds like your issue is with the Indiana commission, not so much the Illinois one.

Did the Indiana Racing Commission take action against this Don Irvine and rule him off the tracks, or did the racinos simply exclude him? And, isn't Irvine the same driver who had about a zillion previous problems, including failing sobriety tests?

Thanks for killing the forum DoucherTerry.
It meant alot to you to do it.
I am proud of you.
Maybe you can at some point make a douche forum and kill that too.
You excel at it.
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« Reply #91 on: November 16, 2010, 01:19:42 PM »

Last Edit: Today at 11:41:21 AM by clockerterry

Its really that slow over there that DoucherTerry needs to come mess with us.
And he always reedits to add a pearl of wisdom.


God bless the thoroughbreds so they can make him not come here.
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« Reply #92 on: November 16, 2010, 01:28:07 PM »

Why do you think he pissed on the machine.  Mr. Irvine has been known to hoist an occasional cocktail over and over and over again.

Well, that's kind of my point. The guy had a long record of problems after drinking, and from what I gather was also driving on a probationary license at the time based on some previous problems. It seems reasonable to me that a 1st time offender would be treated different from him, by both the casino and the racing commission, but others here seem to feel differently, so I'm trying to find out.
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« Reply #93 on: November 16, 2010, 05:48:10 PM »

Speaking of the drinking issue at the casinos I was just talking to a friend who is on his way home from a casino right now.  He is a contractor doing some ventilation work there.

I asked him if he won any money while there?  He said before he started the job he was required by the casino to sign an agreement that he would not drink or gamble in the casino while he was working.  If he was caught violating the agreement his contract would be immediately terminated.

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows whether the Indiana Casinos require the same agreement?  And if they do how is Marcus Miller not considered a contractor while racing?  And wouldn't his actions violate such an agreement with the casino or track?

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« Reply #94 on: November 16, 2010, 05:55:06 PM »

Now I'm wondering if anyone knows whether the Indiana Casinos require the same agreement?  And if they do how is Marcus Miller not considered a contractor while racing?  And wouldn't his actions violate such an agreement with the casino or track?

That is some twisted reasoning there.  Does the casino give him a paycheck?  No.  His paycheck comes from the owners of the horses he drives.
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« Reply #95 on: November 16, 2010, 06:22:24 PM »

That is some twisted reasoning there.  Does the casino give him a paycheck?  No.  His paycheck comes from the owners of the horses he drives.

This is a biased opinion from an OLD MAN who does not like Marcus's Dad Erv so he will continue to bash Marcus anytime he can! If you looked up the word LOSER in the dictionary, you would see a picture of Knowitall (Swoodall) along with words describing Swoodalls Life!
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« Reply #96 on: November 16, 2010, 06:48:08 PM »

Well, that's kind of my point. The guy had a long record of problems after drinking, and from what I gather was also driving on a probationary license at the time based on some previous problems. It seems reasonable to me that a 1st time offender would be treated different from him, by both the casino and the racing commission, but others here seem to feel differently, so I'm trying to find out.
I,like knowitall,do not have inside information.But,IT SEEMS TO ME,that when casino security told Marcus he was barred for 6 months and could not race either,he might have been able to appeal.But the meet was almost over,the 6 months will be done before next year's meet,
and Marcus was driving mostly in Illinois.So it was pretty much moot. He did lose at least one good stakes
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« Reply #97 on: November 16, 2010, 11:13:01 PM »

That is some twisted reasoning there.  Does the casino give him a paycheck?  No.  His paycheck comes from the owners of the horses he drives.


Thanks for weighing in and wearing the dunce cap for awhile!

The Casinos are contributing 30 million dollars to purses from which Marcus Miller is paid!

Spoken like a true butt kisser who knows that what they are saying is intellectually dishonest!  Wanna defend Jim Reynolds and "Recapture" again?

If my reasoning is so twisted then why did Don Irvine Jr received a completely different punishment for damaging/watering laughing guy casino property? 

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« Reply #98 on: November 16, 2010, 11:16:55 PM »

Thanks for weighing in and wearing the dunce cap for awhile!

The Casinos are contributing 30 million dollars to purses from which Marcus Miller is paid!

Spoken like a true butt kisser who knows that what they are saying is intellectually dishonest!  Wanna defend Jim Reynolds and "Recapture" again?

If my reasoning is so twisted then why did Don Irvine Jr received a completely different punishment for damaging/watering laughing guy casino property? 


knowitall,

I have a question for you. Don't know you from adam, but my question for you is ( Based on all of your posts I have read) Is why do you care about anything harness racing? All you do is bash everything about it and I can't believe that you still bet is based on your posts! And why do you have to call everyone who disputes anything you post a Carackhead? If you are still betting harness racing, which based on your post's you hate, then you are the biggest crackhead alive...
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« Reply #99 on: November 16, 2010, 11:26:47 PM »

This is a biased opinion from an OLD MAN who does not like Marcus's Dad Erv so he will continue to bash Marcus anytime he can! If you looked up the word LOSER in the dictionary, you would see a picture of Knowitall (Swoodall) along with words describing Swoodalls Life!

First and foremost (again) I never had a problem with ERV!

Marcus was a kid during that time.

But clearly he has fallen into the Oosting Crime Syndicate family.

Marcus is clearly receiving special treatment and the belated suspension he received for his stiff of PowerOfTheMoment is a testiment to the power of the harness community to hold the stewards accountable who in turn eventually held Marcus accountable.
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