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« on: November 15, 2010, 07:32:30 PM »

second Hanson Report
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 07:47:20 PM »

A super six days in 2011....woot!  I guess those making the recommendations don't really understand how standardbreds are prepared and campaigned. 
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 08:08:06 PM »

All part of the master plan, I'm sure.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 08:27:39 PM »

All part of the master plan, I'm sure.

agree

I believe we'll see casinos at The Meadowlands after they kick out the horsemen
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 08:33:06 PM »

if the meds is done, im done too. i will switch to the t-breds
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 08:46:33 PM »

if the meds is done, im done too. i will switch to the t-breds


i agree TK. Their is nothing left to bet. Illinois is facing the same conclusion. Racing will end in Illinois within 2 years. And once the casino money goes away in Pa. and Ny. the sport will dye in the United States.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 09:00:29 PM »


i agree TK. Their is nothing left to bet. Illinois is facing the same conclusion. Racing will end in Illinois within 2 years. And once the casino money goes away in Pa. and Ny. the sport will dye in the United States.

Chances are, we will always have the WEG to wager on. I guess that should be enough to keep me around as a casual fan
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 09:49:18 PM »

I love this game and I love the Meadowlands but the sad truth is the report is dead on. From the business standpoint the numbers are in black and white. Why should the state fund us? For years we all knew this was coming but thought the pot had no bottom. Saying even though true the state owes us because yes the track did fund building the complex bears no weight, that was then and this is now. Also it would be wonderful and I truly believe slots would make the state a shitload of money because AC is obsolete and too far out of the loop and also do the same for the Meds as slots have done for Yonkers...but it aint happening. We cant fault the Gov. for doing what he was elected to do, like it or not, he has to protect taxpayers who are losing jobs and services from spending money where it cant be returned. Bottom line is less and less people are going to the tracks and betting. Its a damn shame but we're biased, we love and live the business but its lost its luster to the public.
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 09:59:28 PM »

I love this game and I love the Meadowlands but the sad truth is the report is dead on. From the business standpoint the numbers are in black and white. Why should the state fund us? For years we all knew this was coming but thought the pot had no bottom. Saying even though true the state owes us because yes the track did fund building the complex bears no weight, that was then and this is now. Also it would be wonderful and I truly believe slots would make the state a shitload of money because AC is obsolete and too far out of the loop and also do the same for the Meds as slots have done for Yonkers...but it aint happening. We cant fault the Gov. for doing what he was elected to do, like it or not, he has to protect taxpayers who are losing jobs and services from spending money where it cant be returned. Bottom line is less and less people are going to the tracks and betting. Its a damn shame but we're biased, we love and live the business but its lost its luster to the public.

all he has to do is implement slots and the state would earn hundreds of millions a year and still maintain horse racing

why the blind eye towards slots?

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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 10:22:08 PM »

I can easily believe they are losing 11 million. I went there on opening night and the huge heated enclosed grandstand was 90% empty. My girlfriend and I sat in someones empty box and ordered dinner. We struck up a conversation with the waiter. He told us he works 2 nights a week as a UNION waiter, Whoever heard of a Unionized wait staff. Then for the clincher he told us he had subsidised health insurance all for two part time nights. I got a full time job and no one is subsidizing me. I am sure the expenses are way out of wack.
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« Reply #10 on: November 15, 2010, 10:25:22 PM »

It doesn't mean anything.  This is just the same political jockeying that has been going on for a year.  The Senate releases a statement progress being made - http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=40060&z=63, so they have to counter it with a negative release.  We are not going anywhere.
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« Reply #11 on: November 15, 2010, 10:25:35 PM »

all he has to do is implement slots and the state would earn hundreds of millions a year and still maintain horse racing

why the blind eye towards slots?

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Not a blind eye they're catering to the billions invested by the power boys "Trump, Wynne...etc" in AC who are under the impression that slots in north Jersey are gonna somehow effect the take in AC. Incredibly ridiculous when the real reason AC is dying is because when built they were the only show in town other then Vegas. If anything AC should be looked at no differently than the Meds because nothing is gonna make it attractive the the gamblers who would rather go to Mt Airy or just cross the bridge and play at Yonkers. AC's days are passed also, its too big for the time and economy now theres not enough money to go around. So IMO if the state is worried about income the logical idea would be to have slots at the Meds to compete with the rest of these casinos and racinos that are only a few minutes or hour away and keep Jersey money in Jersey.
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« Reply #12 on: November 15, 2010, 10:35:19 PM »

It doesn't mean anything.  This is just the same political jockeying that has been going on for a year.  The Senate releases a statement progress being made - http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=40060&z=63, so they have to counter it with a negative release.  We are not going anywhere.

Darin I'm not being a smartass and would love to believe that but, this is the same kinda thinking thats gotten Jersey racing into this mess. The belief that "everything will be ok they'll bail us out". So in the interim nothing is being done to revive the sport. We're not immortal, just because we want it doesnt mean people have to reach in their pockets "taxpayers" to keep us afloat. We're a dying game with a demographic of customer who's dying off with us. Go to any track and count how many people under 35 you see there just watching races and making bets, remember to take out the horsemen and owners who make up for a good part of the people in the grandstand. Theres no new blood, when a business starts going south you do what you need to get people through the doors again. Harness Racing hasnt done that and we dont have a product people want.
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« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2010, 10:44:35 PM »

It doesn't mean anything.  This is just the same political jockeying that has been going on for a year.  The Senate releases a statement progress being made - http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=40060&z=63, so they have to counter it with a negative release.  We are not going anywhere.

Darin,

This Hanson report is ludicrous, with slots you guys would earn at least a billion in profits for the state in less than 3 years but nobody in Christie's office seems to care.
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« Reply #14 on: November 15, 2010, 10:46:31 PM »

Darin,

This Hanson report is ludicrous, with slots you guys would earn at least a billion in profits for the state in less than 3 years but nobody in Christie's office seems to care.

Makes ya really think, how obvious it is to allow slots at the track yet they're so swayed by AC. Like anyone believes no money is ever passed under a table in government....BULLSHIT
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« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2010, 11:10:52 PM »

I read this statement on another forum and I think I have to agree with the author.


Bottom line is nobody really cares that's why nobody responds or has an opinion.

People thought having a track owned by the state was the best thing because they treat everyone the same big or small not like privately owned tracks but now they can see what the state can do to you, just shut you down.

Everything that's happening is all because of casino's and the casino industry who is not only destroying horse racing but is also destroying this country and the quality of life in this country with it's ever expanding gaming. And, if people can't see that or are blind to it all then they are living in la la land.   



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« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2010, 11:26:15 PM »

Facts - Atlantic City is down 40% across the board the last 3 years, and Big M has no casino.  It is because of Philadelphia, Delaware, Bethlehem, Yonkers, oh and wait til Aqueduct opens.

They will tell you, they are not in competition with this places, and are so smug and arrogant that they can build a casino/racetrack, run by Harrah's, 40 minutes for Atlantic City.  That's okay.  But a casino three hours away is competition, and will take away from Atlantic City.  It's absurd. Anyone with common sense can see this.

Furthermore, an Atlantic City advisor testified that the Casino Racetracks in the surrounding states are disgusting, factory like buildings that are falling apart, and are nothing but wall to wall slot machines.  An outright lie.  The Sands has table games.  Parx Racing has about 70 table games, a nightclub, 4 restaurants, a sports bar, and just added poker.  They just lie about everything.  I confronted this individual at the Gaming Summit and he walked away from me.

Also, when the Meadowlands closes, they will suddenly have this miraculous epiphany that a casino at that location would be so good for the economy!  They will petition the state to then build one.  Why don't they want to be partners with the State and it's citizen's in a casino at The Meadowlands Racetrack?  Because they are greedy, do not care about their citizens, and want it all to themselves.  I have boycotted Atlantic City for over a year now, and will continue to do so.  They won't get a dime of my money, and if you support the Meadowlands, I urge you to do the same.
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« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2010, 11:27:20 PM »

Might anybody know when the NJ Governors office needs to submit their state budget for 2011?
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« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2010, 11:30:08 PM »

It doesn't mean anything.  This is just the same political jockeying that has been going on for a year.  The Senate releases a statement progress being made - http://xwebapp.ustrotting.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=40060&z=63, so they have to counter it with a negative release.  We are not going anywhere.
Darin,

This Hanson report is ludicrous, with slots you guys would earn at least a billion in profits for the state in less than 3 years but nobody in Christie's office seems to care.

Darin, you are completely wrong on this.  Chris Christie is going to do what is financially correct to get NJ turned around, regardless of what it takes.  He knows that success here may take him all the way to the White House & if you think a dead sport is gonna stop him, you are just in denial.  The Meadowlands racing complex is a tiny blip in his political career but saving every dollar is HUGE.

Harry, slots could earn a billion, but you sure don't need the racing.
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« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2010, 11:30:20 PM »

Darin I'm not being a smartass and would love to believe that but, this is the same kinda thinking thats gotten Jersey racing into this mess. The belief that "everything will be ok they'll bail us out". So in the interim nothing is being done to revive the sport. We're not immortal, just because we want it doesnt mean people have to reach in their pockets "taxpayers" to keep us afloat. We're a dying game with a demographic of customer who's dying off with us. Go to any track and count how many people under 35 you see there just watching races and making bets, remember to take out the horsemen and owners who make up for a good part of the people in the grandstand. Theres no new blood, when a business starts going south you do what you need to get people through the doors again. Harness Racing hasnt done that and we dont have a product people want.

I have to disagree with 1 point. The crowd at Balmoral is very young. When I started going there in 1980, you rarely saw anyone in their 20's there. Maybe made up 10% of the crowd. Now I see alot of young kids out there. i would say 60-70% of the people in the grandstand are under 35. And 20% in their 20's. But even that is not enough to keep the tracks going. Because the total crowd is down 50%
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« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2010, 11:33:44 PM »

Slots at the Meadowlands would produce easily the best harness racing in the world, bar none.  With a staggering purse structure.  It will cause all the wealthy owners to once again want to make their best horses Meadowlands main-stays.  It would also bring the best stallions to New Jersey, producing the best Sire Stakes program, adding even more money to the economy.  Tell me, how am I wrong?
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« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2010, 11:35:26 PM »

Atlantic City is a failed model, with a poor surrounding community that is actually dangerous and disgusting.  But they are willing to try and revived that...why? Cause they line the politicians pockets with cash, hotel suites and other perks.  Lets not be naive here.
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« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2010, 11:46:24 PM »

The issue with "potential" slots at the Meadowlands and Vs. Atlantic City is the the "fear" that it would just move the dollars to different portion of the state (despite Atlantic City being in decline), and potentially lose the existing jobs in Atlantic City.

 One would have to believe that the jobs in Atlantic City easily outnumber the people employed within the horse industry?
 In addition, the AC jobs are not transients.

 While both horse racing and AC contribute to other areas of financial influence, AC, I'm sure garnishes a greater effect.

 (Please don't let soothsayers perceive that I somehow have a preference for the demise of the Meadowlands!!!!!!!)
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2010, 05:07:32 AM »

Slots at the Meadowlands would produce easily the best harness racing in the world, bar none.  With a staggering purse structure.  It will cause all the wealthy owners to once again want to make their best horses Meadowlands main-stays.  It would also bring the best stallions to New Jersey, producing the best Sire Stakes program, adding even more money to the economy.  Tell me, how am I wrong?

You're absolutely correct, slots would completely resurrect racing in Jersey and catapult the Meds back into what it used to be.....with one problem. Its not changing the fact that the only reason over the last 8 years slots are the only reason harness racing is still surviving at a shitload of tracks. Take the slots completely out of the equation and roll back the clock. Gone are Yonkers, Buffalo, Batavia, Vernon, Monticello, Pocono, Dover, Harrington and probably the Meadows....add into that Tioga and Chester are never built. The Meds may have survived longer being there would be so little of the game left. My whole point is the slots are a gift and still are, in NY it was sold as a way to generate money for education by allowing the NYS Lottery to run it and sneak VLT's into harness tracks. We all thought by having the machines at the tracks the allure of them would overflow into the racetrack side and generate more customers for us also and its not happening. In all this time we're exactly the same, theres been no effort to attract new patrons or create new ideas on how to get people back to the races. I've read many times the business has only survived on blood money and life support and sad to say thats 100% true. Lemme ask this, a sport in a very similar situation is Hockey, their bottom line is dwindling and fan base is shrinking. Theres no possible way it can sustain itself or come up with a solid plan on how that can be changed, you're gonna lose your job and the state is going to take basic services away but says they're going to hand 100 mil over so Hockey can survive are you cool with that? I doubt it, and thats the real situation Jersey is in do you think people who pay taxes and barely making it themselves really give a hoot if the Meadowlands stays open? Just another comparison, open a store that sells 8-track tapes chances are you're gonna fold real quick, but start selling your tapes at Wal-Mart with the guarantee of a set cut on what they sell in the whole store and you'll survive. Just cause you're making money now doesnt mean anyone is buying your product....and thats us.
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2010, 08:06:27 AM »

if the meds is done, im done too. i will switch to the t-breds
T BREEDS ARE IN THE SAME BOAT AS US.ITS ONLY A MATTER OF TIME
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