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Author Topic: LEDFORD WOULD NEVER MAKE IT AS JUST A " CATCH DRIVER "  (Read 5926 times)
Dan Nance
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« on: April 05, 2006, 06:03:03 PM »

Let me clue you people in on something. Even if Ledfraud lucks out and can keep his license he will never make it as just a catch driver. That's because he's too " C*OCKY ".

   The reason he left the Big M. the first time he was there was because he wasn't getting enough catch drives after the owners and trainers found out he was just a c*ocky little punk who thought he didn't need anyone. So, he went back to Chicago where he could train a big stable and drive only most of his own horses. Then after he put together a large stable because he was batting .400 using that drug he headed back to the Big M. to clean up and get even more suckers to up on his bandwagon.

   The 300K he made as a driver last year was made mostly driving for his own owners, not as a full time " catch driver ".     
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 06:15:02 PM »

Remember Dan back then most of Eric's catch drives were for the kingpin of unidentifiable samples Joe Anderson!  He didn't need talent to drive those horses either.
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 06:20:50 PM »

If he drove every day in the Chicago circuit, he would dominate. Name me any other Chicago driver that is better than him? The last few years he has only been a part time driver in Chicago. If he made himself available to catch drive in every race, we would be at the top of the driver's standings.  
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 06:23:14 PM »

If he drove every day in the Chicago circuit, he would dominate. Name me any other Chicago driver that is better than him? The last few years he has only been a part time driver in Chicago. If he made himself available to catch drive in every race, we would be at the top of the driver's standings. 

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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 06:24:03 PM »

If he drove every day in the Chicago circuit, he would dominate. Name me any other Chicago driver that is better than him? The last few years he has only been a part time driver in Chicago. If he made himself available to catch drive in every race, we would be at the top of the driver's standings. 

With the absence of Tony, I do believe that EL would lead the Chicago standings.

I still -- however -- think he's a cheater, and I hope we never see him here again.  Not sure if that wish will be granted, however.

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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 06:39:56 PM »

Not hard to win when all you have to do is use that patented Joe Anderson pull at the quarter and brush and crush move.  When Eric makes that same move on ordinary horses,  which he has done many times,  they spit the bit before the 7/8's.  He has started to not use the same move with cheap horses from other barns.  Having talent and having crotch rockets are two different driving worlds.  Besides if the evidence they have holds up in court,  this thread is moot.
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 06:42:39 PM »

He is only 35, EL will be back in Chicago someday as a catch driver. No more training, strickly driving. Not sure when, within a year.
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 06:45:47 PM »

Anyone have the stats on EL as a catch driver at the Big M since Jan. 1st ?
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 06:46:07 PM »

I believe Eric could be one of the best catch drivers in the game if his head wasn't soooo BIG!!  He is a hell of a driver with a bad attitude!
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2006, 06:46:59 PM »

Won the HAMBO on a catch drive.
Won the JUG catch drive.
When do you want me to stop.
ONE of the BEST BIG MONEY DRIVERS OUT THERE.

Heede KNOWS THIS FOR SURE
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 06:50:03 PM »

the only reason morgan wins so much here is all the dam paper trainer he has .in the same race he might have 2 or 3 paper puppets how the hell do you beat that.plus the needle he has is 10 feet long  el would have 20% more wins then  the brown and white devil
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2006, 06:50:29 PM »

World Trotting Derby.....catch drive.
Breeders Crown.....Eternal Camnation...catch drive.
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2006, 06:56:33 PM »

you cant cheat in the big races whens the last time morgan was in abig race besides icf and where did he finish
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2006, 06:57:22 PM »

He is only 35, EL will be back in Chicago someday as a catch driver. No more training, strickly driving. Not sure when, within a year.

Oh really? The gestapo through out many top drivers over the years because they were cheats so what makes you think for one minute that they will welcome Eric Ledford back to Chicago with open arms.  

    I got news for you, pal. Langley hates cheaters and I'm willing to bet that he will never let Ledfraud back in Chicago. Remember, Chicago tracks are privately owned and they can exclude anybody that they think is an undesirable. If they let Ledford drive or train in Chicago again I will personally walk up and spit in all their faces for all the drivers they through out in the past.
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2006, 07:01:38 PM »

They let Ron Marsh come back.
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2006, 07:03:04 PM »

Won the HAMBO on a catch drive.
Won the JUG catch drive.
When do you want me to stop.
ONE of the BEST BIG MONEY DRIVERS OUT THERE.

Heede KNOWS THIS FOR SURE

Hey Heede, I never said the punk couldn't drive. Read my post again. I said he will never make it as a FULL TIME catch driver because trainers and owners get tired of his c*ocky I don't need anyone attitude.

    To be a FULL TIME catch driver you can't be c*ocky and walk around like you're better then everyone else.

    His  " Big Money " driving days may just be over, laddie.  
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2006, 07:10:44 PM »

They let Ron Marsh come back.

Ron Marsh didn't take down 3 million in purse money doping up horses with illegal drugs. Ron Marsh wasn't aressted and charged with anything. They convicted Ron in the kangaroo court but he always had a lisense in Illinois. They just woudn't let him drive at their tracks for years.

    The first thing Ledford will have to worry about is being able to get a license in Illinois before he can even think about driving there again.

   HEEDE KNOWS!
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2006, 07:14:56 PM »

marsh try ed to race in Windsor 1 year before the let him back and was denied why?
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2006, 07:20:19 PM »

marsh try ed to race in Windsor 1 year before the let him back and was denied why?

They told him to straighten his problems out in Chicago first. Until then they wouldn't let him drive there.
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2006, 07:25:24 PM »

i think thats  bull shit because if the man had a licience they should let him drive
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #20 on: April 05, 2006, 07:41:05 PM »

i think thats  bull shit because if the man had a licience they should let him drive

It's also bullshit that Langley told Stalbaum to hit the road but let Morgan stick around. Word has it that Morgan  rat'd out Stalbaum so he was able to stay.

    They kicked Aubin out of town because they said he was letting Big Ed. tube his horses. No proof!

   
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« Reply #21 on: April 05, 2006, 07:44:15 PM »

I always had a funny feeling that Eric had something to do with the training of Eternal Camnation. Is this possible?
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2006, 07:48:44 PM »

and people wonder why i hate the guy i wish somebody would  rat on him
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2006, 08:16:31 PM »

Ledfraud is also a druggie who has blown the black box not just with horses, but with himself numerous times
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2006, 08:18:19 PM »

He is only 35, EL will be back in Chicago someday as a catch driver. No more training, strickly driving. Not sure when, within a year.
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I disagree.  You will not see EL back in Chicago as a regular Catch Driver.  He now lives
on the East Coast and there are plenty of tracks to race at in New York, PA and
other nearby states.  Illinois is dead for purse money.  Eric Ledford is NOT Pat Berry.
He is used to making $300,000 per year.  He will not come back to Chicago to
make $125,000.    At first I didn't think that EL would be taking the biggest hit on this
scandal but I do believe they are trying to make a REAL example here and I think
the "Race Fixing" angle is an interesting one.  Let's face it--if he was actually training
the horses, ordering the injections of ARANESP and then Driving (and wagering) on
his horses (or against them) I could certainly see that "race fixing" could stick.
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« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2006, 08:20:14 PM »

WHAT ABOUT CHESTER DOWNS FOR LEDFORD
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2006, 08:23:42 PM »

WHAT ABOUT CHESTER DOWNS FOR LEDFORD

What about Sweden? That's where he may have to go.
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2006, 08:24:59 PM »

WHAT ABOUT CHESTER DOWNS FOR LEDFORD

No track that has a casino will let him race. Too much risk of losing the casino license for allowing undersirables on the premises.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2006, 08:27:55 PM »

A FEW YEARS AGO HE WENT TO NEWZELAND ON VACTION AND RACED AND ONE THERES A PLACE FOR HIM LOTS OFF FORMER BIGM CHEATS DONE UNDER
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2006, 08:37:55 PM »

Won the HAMBO on a catch drive.
Won the JUG catch drive.
When do you want me to stop.
ONE of the BEST BIG MONEY DRIVERS OUT THERE.

Heede KNOWS THIS FOR SURE

Bobcat, drove pretty damn good too up in Canada when the BIG MONEY was at stake.

    HEEDE KNOWS!!
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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2006, 09:04:45 PM »

Northfeild will take him, if knowone else will
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Dan Nance
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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2006, 09:17:46 PM »

Northfeild will take him, if knowone else will

They threw out several cheaters already so why would they take him? Is it because he's a hillbilly?
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2006, 09:34:06 PM »

I don't think you'll ever see Eric drive another horse again.
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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2006, 09:36:20 PM »

No track that has a casino will let him race. Too much risk of losing the casino license for allowing undersirables on the premises.



Did you already contact the tracks that have casinos and ask them if they will  let Ledford race Mr know it all? What a dumb ass statement as usual on your part.
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2006, 10:20:56 PM »

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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2006, 10:33:12 PM »

Heede knows!!!!
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2006, 10:41:44 PM »

Heede knows!!!!

HEEDE KNOWS JACKSHIT!!!!!
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« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2006, 02:00:32 AM »

I said it's not hard to drive crotch rockets.  The horses everyone mentioned are great horse flesh to begin with.  Are you telling me those horses couldn't win without Eric?  What's his driving percentage on lower conditioned and claiming horses not trained by Rucker,  Anderson,  or Himself.  He burns them out quite a bit.  He always guns and doesn't look to give a horse a trip.  Walter Case didn't need Belcher's horses.  Eric needs a little soda or an ego and driving style adjustment.  Besides,  why are we giving him credit for having any ability???  Everthing he has accomplished is now under a dark cloud of suspicion and rightfully so.  I seriously doubt that aranesp is their first elixir.
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« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2006, 09:00:15 AM »

No track that has a casino will let him race. Too much risk of losing the casino license for allowing undersirables on the premises.

dont think that matters paul - pocono has had all kinds of problems with george napolitano ranging from positive tests to numerous cases of him being physically violent- starting fights and shlit - and even with the injun casino owners this year, i see he is still there - obviously they dont care about undesireables.  if you went into bellagio and beat the crap out of people on three ocasions you can bet your ass they would throw you out the door - FOR GOOD - but these race tracks dont give a fart who they let in
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« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2006, 12:15:14 PM »

dont think that matters paul - pocono has had all kinds of problems with george napolitano ranging from positive tests to numerous cases of him being physically violent- starting fights and shlit - and even with the injun casino owners this year, i see he is still there - obviously they dont care about undesireables.  if you went into bellagio and beat the crap out of people on three ocasions you can bet your ass they would throw you out the door - FOR GOOD - but these race tracks dont give a fart who they let in

None of what George Nap has done holds a candle to a charge of race fixing, which is what Ledford is facing.
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« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2006, 01:44:25 PM »

we can debate values all day long if you want but i am not sure that race fixing is worse than assault with a deadly weapon - your call.


None of what George Nap has done holds a candle to a charge of race fixing, which is what Ledford is facing.
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« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2006, 02:42:34 PM »

i myself think eric is a great driver and a great catch driver ... who cares what his ego is like or how he acts ... everyone is different .... i also think if eric came back to chicago .. him and tetrick and oosting would have all the drives o and i cant forget dave magee .. i remember when eric came here n didnt care what anyone said he was just all about winning                 
 
 
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« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2006, 03:00:16 PM »

i myself think eric is a great driver and a great catch driver ... who cares what his ego is like or how he acts ... everyone is different .... i also think if eric came back to chicago .. him and tetrick and oosting would have all the drives o and i cant forget dave magee .. i remember when eric came here n didnt care what anyone said he was just all about winning                 
 
 
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« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2006, 03:02:20 PM »

dan your an ass lol
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« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2006, 04:48:35 PM »

we can debate values all day long if you want but i am not sure that race fixing is worse than assault with a deadly weapon - your call.



I'm talking in terms of racing related violations. In any case was George Nap ever criminally charged in that assault, or was it just handled as a racing issue?
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« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2006, 07:46:22 PM »

there have been more than one.  the latest which happened last meet I believe he "settled" and paid a quite substantial sum to the other party who he mangled in exchange for them handling it adminstratively and not suing - Im not a lawyer - and he did some kind of anger management program - apparently he used to be a professional boxer or something is what I hear and when he beat the crap out of another driver it could have come down to that.  you might want to find out more details from someone maybe who races there or drives or trains there who might know more details of the whole thing

I'm talking in terms of racing related violations. In any case was George Nap ever criminally charged in that assault, or was it just handled as a racing issue?
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