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Everyone, when the dust settles what exactly is going to happen to everyone that has been mentioned in this whole disgusting case involving the Ledfraud Gang? Your predictions.
Who gets jail time if any?
Who loses their licenses?
Who pays fines?
Will we see Eric Ledford ever drive again in NJ?
I say lifetime ban for all of them. It might sound cruel but they knew what they were doing and this sport has to take a better stand than it has in the past. Weed out all the rats and this would be a start.
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« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2006, 12:27:21 PM » |
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Everyone, when the dust settles what exactly is going to happen to everyone that has been mentioned in this whole disgusting case involving the Ledfraud Gang? Your predictions.
Who gets jail time if any?
Who loses their licenses?
Who pays fines?
Will we see Eric Ledford ever drive again in NJ?
I say lifetime ban for all of them. It might sound cruel but they knew what they were doing and this sport has to take a better stand than it has in the past. Weed out all the rats and this would be a start.
MG
Ask Heede, HEEDE KNOWS!! |
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« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2006, 12:38:42 PM » |
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Heede, what do you got for us? You are being called out.
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« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2006, 12:45:39 PM » |
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Heede, what do you got for us? You are being called out.
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« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2006, 12:52:40 PM » |
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They are really going to make a statement with Ledford. I guarantee they will ban him and the Dailey from harness racing for life. With all the money they have and the best lawyers around, it will cost him a bundle but they will not do any jail time!!!!
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« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2006, 01:01:20 PM » |
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Ledfords never race again in NJ..Do no jail time. This talk about other trainer's horses being at the Ledford's stable is interesting. That could help tie up some loose ends in a race fixing charge. If that is the case, jail time may be in order..Paul, I know you are his friend, did Richie Wojcio do any time for his conviction of conspiracy to fix a race?
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« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2006, 01:05:03 PM » |
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I have NO prediction's at this time. I made my prediction a long time ago when I told everyone that the Ledford's would have their names out on the board in the racing office sooner or later.
All I heard from goofs for months was that I was just jealous of the little cocky liar. Well, tell me what am I jealous of now? That he was arrested in the drivers room like a common criminal? That he's banned from racing and facing some serious charges? That he has humiliated himself and his family?
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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2006, 01:16:45 PM » |
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DAN, YOU ARE RIGHT ON WITH THAT. WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE NEXT HORSEMAN THAT WILL GET CAUGHT?
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« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2006, 01:42:47 PM » |
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DAN, YOU ARE RIGHT ON WITH THAT. WHO DO YOU THINK IS THE NEXT HORSEMAN THAT WILL GET CAUGHT?
mg
I have no prediction's at this time. I do know one thing it won't be the " Teflon Trainer " Ken Rucker because he has all the angles covered. Everything Rucker has done is carried out by his vets. You will never find him keeping illegal drugs in his house or in anyone's house associated with him. He will never leave needles and syringes laying around in his stable or in his car. When Ken does get a positive he blames it on the groom or on the E.C. or the feed company and he gets away with a slap on the hand. That's what makes Rucker the " Teflon Trainer ".
Was that "Art Maker" Rucker claimed last year at the Big M. that won in 49 parked the 3/4 in 1:21 and then after he was claimed he couldn't beat a fat man to water? I remember that race and many others. You can't tell me for one minute those horses didn't have a Blood Builder in them. But, with no positives because they don't test for the stuff ( and they knew it) and with no possession of the drug they can't touch the " Teflon Trainer ". |
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Was that "Art Maker" Rucker claimed last year at the Big M. that won in 49 parked the 3/4 in 1:21 and then after he was claimed he couldn't beat a fat man to water? I remember that race and many others.
I remember this year when someone claimed Art Maker from Rucker and the race he got claimed he won, the next week he got 5th, and Rucker claimed him back, the next week Art Maker won again. This was against the same horses. I will say though, the person that claimed him made like $15,000-$20,000 off the claim because they raised the claiming price when Rucker claimed him back. |
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2006, 04:06:43 PM » |
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I Was that "Art Maker" Rucker claimed last year at the Big M. that won in 49 parked the 3/4 in 1:21 and then after he was claimed he couldn't beat a fat man to water?
I believe the horses name was Activator |
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2006, 04:09:01 PM » |
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I remember this year when someone claimed Art Maker from Rucker and the race he got claimed he won, the next week he got 5th, and Rucker claimed him back, the next week Art Maker won again. This was against the same horses.
I will say though, the person that claimed him made like $15,000-$20,000 off the claim because they raised the claiming price when Rucker claimed him back.
I think Art Maker was the horse last year that Rucker claimed and turned into a monster. I can remember shaking my head as I watched this horse get rimmed to the 3/4 in 121 and then he still kicked in and won going away in 49. In all my years as a trainer and watching races I told my friends sitting with me I never saw a horse go such a mile and still win. |
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« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2006, 04:09:54 PM » |
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I believe the horses name was Activator
That's the one. Where's he at these days. |
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« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2006, 04:18:57 PM » |
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As I stated on another thread Ledford will pass all blame down to the Dayleys, Eric and seldon will end up with somthing just for trainers responsability (they have Eric recorded doing all the training) But the Dayleys will go down the toilet!
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« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2006, 04:25:43 PM » |
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My prediction
Look for NJRC to use this one as a HUGE lesson to all of the trainers. Both Ledfords get lifetime ban, 33% chance of jail time.
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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2006, 04:44:11 PM » |
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Look for NJRC to use this one as a HUGE lesson to all of the trainers. Both Ledfords get lifetime ban
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I agree. Lifetime ban. But no jail time. And I believe there will be more people going down, the vet's computers will not lie.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2006, 05:37:21 PM » |
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Here is my prediction.
the hearing with the NJ racing Commision did not go that badly for Eric.
Eric's attorney seems to think the proof is not there. No positive tests.
Eric will drive in 2 weeks.
Heede is guessing
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« Reply #17 on: April 05, 2006, 05:56:33 PM » |
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Here is my prediction.
the hearing with the NJ racing Commision did not go that badly for Eric.
Eric's attorney seems to think the proof is not there. No positive tests.
Eric will drive in 2 weeks.
Heede is guessing
Nothing personal Heede but...... HEEDE DON'T KNOW JACK! [/color] |
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« Reply #18 on: April 05, 2006, 06:01:28 PM » |
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Ledford goes on vacation for one year.
I think this is first "big" offense.
Don't know for sure?
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« Reply #19 on: April 05, 2006, 06:02:52 PM » |
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I'll make one prediction; nobody is going to serve a single day in jail over this incident. I’ll guarantee it.
I honestly believe that if Ledford and Daily just got up and left New Jersey ignoring the criminal complaint against them, criminally they could not do a thing because this is a non-extraditable offense. They would never be able to go back to Jersey but I don't believe they could ever extraditable them.
As far as the New Jersey Racing Commission goes, I think they will throw the book at them and one thing you guys need to remember is that no matter what happens in Criminal Court, the NJRC will do whatever they want to do with Ledford because that is Civil Law and an entirely different set of rules apply. In Civil Court, only a preponderance of evidence is necessary to uphold the decision of the NJRC.
Ask yourselves this; do you actually believe the state does not have enough evidence to tip the scales ever so slightly in their favor? Think about it, Ledford on film training the horses at the farm, a dead horse with the possibility Aransep being the causation, and many vials of Aransep found during the search of the suspects. My criminal law professor always says this; if you throw enough shit on the wall, sooner or later some of it will stick, meaning the state has quite a bit of circumstantial evidence, but it is overwhelming. These are just some of the facts and I'm sure there are more. Sorry to say but civilly, it is my opinion that Ledford is screwed and will be given a lifetime ban by the NJRC, but return in a year or two.
Criminally, all parties will walk away unscathed. Just my opinion and I do hope that Ledford/Daily get fair hearings and/or trials. Let both sides present their evidence and may justice be served.
People have asked my opinion about this and I do not have one on the matter. The only thing I’ll say is that nobody will be going to jail anytime soon over this episode.
Best Regards,
Joseph M. Dakuras
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GREG ANTHONY
ANDERSON HUNT
MOSES SCURRY
STACEY AUGMON
LARRY JOHNSON
THE BEST COACH EVER, JERRY "TARK" TARKANIAN
THIS IS HEAVEN
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i think the make an example off him and his crew .its got to stop some time. i think hes [w]ed
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I agree with Heede....Eric gets slap on the wrist ..Dailey(Ryan) who pointed at papa Ledford as the guy who told him what to use(which is consistant with the theory that Seldon is the real trainer)The vet gets his license pulled(big deal he's 68 and his career is basically over ,just has to get his mil. back) .....remember Monte Gelrod is eligible to return in 1/2007 Chansky gets banned for life in NJ but serves no time.....so where does that leave the Ledfords?.....no evidence of loaded horses...no tapes of transactions of drugs(except for a invoice from the vet saying the Aranesp was to ship to Crete) no proof that it was shipped or used....possession is the only crime here folks...IMO
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i think the make an example off him and his crew .its got to stop some time. i think hes [w]ed
Pain: I agree that this group is screwed with the NJRC. However, in a criminal court they will all walk right out the door, unscathed. That will piss off the NJRC so they will throw the book at the whole crew, much like the IRB does back here when they don’t like somebody. Nobody should get a lifetime ban, in my opinion, unless of course you are someone like the Johnston's who are supposed to set examples. In that case, the Johnston's should be barred for life and their race dates taken away. We need to keep the sport clean and cannot have track owner’s horses testing positive. When that happens, how can there be any regulation when people like the Johnston's are allowed access to the tracks when they drug their own horses? If that does not constitute "calling into question the honesty and integrity of harness racing," what does? Very sad. Best regards, Joseph M. Dakuras (A UNLV Runnin Rebel for Life) |
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GREG ANTHONY
ANDERSON HUNT
MOSES SCURRY
STACEY AUGMON
LARRY JOHNSON
THE BEST COACH EVER, JERRY "TARK" TARKANIAN
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« Reply #23 on: April 05, 2006, 06:17:43 PM » |
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Here is my prediction.
the hearing with the NJ racing Commision did not go that badly for Eric.
Eric's attorney seems to think the proof is not there. No positive tests.
Eric will drive in 2 weeks.
Heede is guessing
You or nobody else has a clue what kind of evidence the feds have on them. They didn't take 18 months to investigate to walk away losers.
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« Reply #24 on: April 05, 2006, 06:20:34 PM » |
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You've watched too many Law & Orders.
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I believe that that Eric Ledford will be threatened with Jail Time and will agree to a
Lifetime Ban in lieu of jail time. The fact that this was an 18 month investigation tells
me that they have a TREMENDOUS amount of evidence, including wiretaps of
phone conversations.
How can they not have this if they were doing a thorough, intensive investigation for
18 MONTHS? Once presented with a sample of the taped conversations, the LEDFORDS
will agree to a LIFETIME BAN in the state of New Jersey.
What a shame that their greed has caused this to happen. Eric was making about
$300,000+ per year as a DRIVER and who knows how much as a trainer!
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« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2006, 06:44:02 PM » |
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Where did you get the info on the taped conversations? nothing has been reported on that and the state trooper did not say any tapes were made in court today. Lets not forget the Noel Daley investigation that produced nothing that stuck.
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« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2006, 06:46:23 PM » |
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What a shame that their greed has caused this to happen. Eric was making about
$300,000+ per year as a DRIVER and who knows how much as a trainer!
Do you think Eric claimed all the money he made as the trainer even though he tried to make everyone believe his dad who doesn't know how to hang a water bucket in a stall was the trainer? Maybe the IRS should crawl up their ass with a microscope. If Eric did claim money from training fees then that proves he was the trainer. In either case fraud was committed. Another problem to worry about don't you think? |
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« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2006, 06:48:05 PM » |
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hopefully, there paperwork is in order..lol
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« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2006, 06:54:08 PM » |
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My Prediction:
New Jersey: Lifetime ban
Illinois: He'll be driving here by Hawthorne
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« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2006, 07:09:11 PM » |
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My prediction is no jail time, but a lifetime ban in NJ.
He will get 3-6 months in IL, but be back.
With the state that IL is in, if Woodbine/Mo was to let him drive there, would he consider that because of the purses?
Honestly, that mug shot makes me sick because he is smiling like he is one step ahead of the game. I hope he gets a lifetime ban everywhere, and then we will see if he is smiling or not.
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« Reply #32 on: April 05, 2006, 07:36:48 PM » |
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the Ontario Racing Commission goes along on NJ rulings as far as I know...what do you say Paul?
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« Reply #33 on: April 05, 2006, 11:01:52 PM » |
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I honestly believe that if Ledford and Daily just got up and left New Jersey ignoring the criminal complaint against them, criminally they could not do a thing because this is a non-extraditable offense. They would never be able to go back to Jersey but I don't believe they could ever extraditable them.
Best Regards,
Joseph M. Dakuras
(A UNLV Runnin Rebel for Life)
Your telling me that when Eric and Ryan don't show up in court, that a warrent for their arrest won't be issued? Last I knew a warrent for your arrest is good in any state. |
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« Reply #34 on: April 05, 2006, 11:08:06 PM » |
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Here is my prediction.
the hearing with the NJ racing Commision did not go that badly for Eric.
Eric's attorney seems to think the proof is not there. No positive tests.
Eric will drive in 2 weeks.
Heede is guessing
Of course Eric's attorney says the proof isn't there. What do you think he's going to say? "My client's up shit's creek." ?   |
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« Reply #35 on: April 05, 2006, 11:12:50 PM » |
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My Prediction:
New Jersey: Lifetime ban
Illinois: He'll be driving here by Hawthorne
You are talking like a grandstand goof. |
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« Reply #36 on: April 05, 2006, 11:15:19 PM » |
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I predict he'll be driving at the Meadowlands by the end of the week .
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« Reply #37 on: April 05, 2006, 11:19:50 PM » |
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I predict he'll be driving at the Meadowlands by the end of the week .
I already heard from certain racing official that Eric will never drive at the Big M ever again. |
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« Reply #38 on: April 05, 2006, 11:22:15 PM » |
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I predict he'll be driving at the Meadowlands by the end of the week .
Was the air bad at Balmoral tonight? Or are you sniffing too much horse shit? |
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« Reply #40 on: April 05, 2006, 11:34:41 PM » |
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i predict Heede knows!
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« Reply #41 on: April 05, 2006, 11:41:10 PM » |
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i predict Heede knows!
HEEDE KNOWS JACKSHIT !!!!
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« Reply #42 on: April 05, 2006, 11:42:48 PM » |
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I predict *** knows that Heede knows !
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« Reply #43 on: April 05, 2006, 11:43:08 PM » |
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HEEDE KNOWS JACKSHIT !!!!
I'm with ya Dan. I also think bobcat and 324 are the same person. |
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« Reply #44 on: April 05, 2006, 11:45:43 PM » |
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Its also amazing that they joined 5 days apart. And that when you click on Bobcat now he's online and click on 324 and he's not. hmm...
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« Reply #45 on: April 05, 2006, 11:45:52 PM » |
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Charginghard doesnt know!!
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« Reply #46 on: April 05, 2006, 11:47:50 PM » |
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324 knows!!!!!!
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« Reply #47 on: April 05, 2006, 11:48:07 PM » |
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Apparently he does
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« Reply #48 on: April 05, 2006, 11:51:00 PM » |
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I predict *** knows that Heede knows !
Heede knows he wants to kick my ass because I said he had no business in the drivers room when he grabbed Ryan.
Heede doesn't know if he tries to sell me wolf tickets he barking up the wrong tree.
Heede also doesn't know Dan *** is a psycho.
Interested Observer knows Dan *** is a psycho. |
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« Reply #49 on: April 05, 2006, 11:52:51 PM » |
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And now we know !!!!
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« Reply #50 on: April 05, 2006, 11:54:29 PM » |
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i dont know
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NO ?
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« Reply #52 on: April 06, 2006, 02:11:59 PM » |
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Heede also doesn't know Dan *** is a psycho.
Oh, I'm sure Heede and anyone else who regularly reads this forum knows that!
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« Reply #53 on: April 06, 2006, 02:30:18 PM » |
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Heede also doesn't know Dan *** is a psycho.
Oh, I'm sure Heede and anyone else who regularly reads this forum knows that!
Be carefull because I might " psycho " out on you for stealing my claim to fame name.
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« Reply #54 on: April 06, 2006, 02:34:26 PM » |
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Going back to that Harmer story, his dad lives in some tack room at some track in Michigan. I am not sure which track. I heard this from a reliable source!!!
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« Reply #55 on: April 06, 2006, 02:35:49 PM » |
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I heard this from a leading driver in Illinois, they said Harmer" is a piece of shit for the way he treats his father". (allowing him to live in those conditions).
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« Reply #56 on: April 06, 2006, 02:46:41 PM » |
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I heard this from a leading driver in Illinois, they said Harmer" is a piece of shit for the way he treats his father". (allowing him to live in those conditions).
He may be a piece of shit as a son but he's a great trainer according to Burton and that's all that matters to him.
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« Reply #57 on: April 06, 2006, 02:55:43 PM » |
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I'm sure this story about Harmer's father is 100% true.
And the moon is made of green cheese.
All great information from the #1 harness racing forum.
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« Reply #58 on: April 06, 2006, 02:58:28 PM » |
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All great information from the #1 harness racing forum.
Burton, great to see you on the bandwagon. If you can't beat them - join them 'eh ?  TC |
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« Reply #59 on: April 06, 2006, 03:28:29 PM » |
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i hate cheaters. richard breth is the best poster ever on this forum.  Here we go again... TC |
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« Reply #60 on: April 06, 2006, 03:29:42 PM » |
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Burton, great to see you on the bandwagon. If you can't beat them - join them 'eh ? TC TC, I love the forum more for it's potential. I often dislike it for what it often is in reality. |
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« Reply #61 on: April 06, 2006, 03:35:44 PM » |
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TC,
I love the forum more for it's potential.
I often dislike it for what it often is in reality.
"REALITY BITES"...sometimes. We do need a little less Springer show and a little more W.F. Buckley - LOL. TC |
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I know. I also know bobcat wouldnt have enough time to post under another name. He is a very busy man. He is in search of his next ex wife! Bobcat, Its called (PRENUPT) You were wondering what funny thing I had to say. Geterdone! See ya first part of the week! Joe
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