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« on: November 06, 2010, 06:52:10 PM »

Blame?

Goldikova?

Zenyatta?


I say after today I would take Zen, what kind of heart did she show today?   A case could be made for Blame and Goldikova but after todays race, Zenyatta is my number one. 

 
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« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2010, 07:03:36 PM »

Blame?

Goldikova?

Zenyatta?


I say after today I would take Zen, what kind of heart did she show today?   A case could be made for Blame and Goldikova but after todays race, Zenyatta is my number one. 
 

Blame based on actual U.S. achievement. Goldikova based on overall achievement. Zenyatta based on lines of type and TV hype over the year.
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« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2010, 09:01:52 PM »

NO Terry.. Zenyatta on her heart.  And her beauty, and her personality.  And her wins! 

Hype?   How could there NOT be with this horse?!
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« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2010, 09:05:52 PM »

Blame.

Hands down.

As much as I want to say Zenyatta deserves it after today, we're stuck looking at 2010 campaigns, and his trumps hers, plain and simple. I think she's the best horse in the country after today, but that's not what HOY is about.

I never thought I'd say that's unfortunate, but it is. But what would be more unfortunate now is for him to lose HOY over this. Horses don't get passes on troubled trips in HOY voting.

He deserves it, if you ask me.
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« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2010, 09:17:57 PM »

Blame based on actual U.S. achievement. Goldikova based on overall achievement. Zenyatta based on lines of type and TV hype over the year.

Exactly.
She faced males one time this year and lost.
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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2010, 09:19:56 PM »

While Blame clearly deserves it (unless you just want to argue), they will probably give it to Z.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 09:22:01 PM »

While it will be interesting to read op-eds in the coming weeks and try to get a feel for how HOY voting will work out, it's refreshing to know that we should not have the same acrimony this time around -- as even BTW's most fervent Zenyatta fans have all spoken up in advance that she needed to beat one of the top contenders here to secure HOY.

Or, at least I sure hope that's the case. Will I be surprised if she wins it? Nope. Will I be disappointed? Yep, because that would take away from what HOY is all about -- a single year's campaign, as much as that may be a quirky issue to deal with after the race she ran tonight.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 09:22:39 PM »

While Blame clearly deserves it (unless you just want to argue), they will probably give it to Z.

I wouldn't be  surprised if it happened.
I read before the race there were voters who were going to vote her HOY no matter where she finished.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 09:23:27 PM »

While it will be interesting to read op-eds in the coming weeks and try to get a feel for how HOY voting will work out, it's refreshing to know that we should not have the same acrimony this time around -- as even BTW's most fervent Zenyatta fans have all spoken up in advance that she needed to beat one of the top contenders here to secure HOY.

I don't know ... the denial has already started with the "clearly she was the best horse in the field" nonsense.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 09:25:06 PM »

While Blame clearly deserves it (unless you just want to argue), they will probably give it to Z.

Unless the Evil East Coast Iron Curtain HOY voting bloc decides to teach whiny left coasters a lesson about where the real source of power is in this country, that is.

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 09:27:19 PM »

I don't know ... the denial has already started with the "clearly she was the best horse in the field" nonsense.

I just watched the race for the 4th time and I'm still looking for that "tough" trip she supposedly had.
She ran a good race with a fast pace to close into.
 She was able to angle out cleanly and  had dead aim on Blame and didn't get by him.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2010, 09:28:27 PM »

I don't know ... the denial has already started with the "clearly she was the best horse in the field" nonsense.

I think she was.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 09:29:56 PM »

I just watched the race for the 4th time and I'm still looking for that "tough" trip she supposedly had.
She ran a good race with a fast pace to close into.
 She was able to angle out cleanly and  had dead aim on Blame and didn't get by him.

You know how there were all those races all year long she would have won easily if only she had been in them? And the computer simulation race? This is already turning into one of those, a race she won in the imaginary world because she was "the best horse". Screw the actual results on the track.
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 09:32:47 PM »

I think she was.

Blame's trip wasn't exactly a stroll in the park. Take a hard look at it on replay, if you haven't already.
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2010, 09:33:07 PM »

I think she was.

But what difference does that make, even if true?

Does it give Point Given that Kentucky Derby, for instance?
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2010, 09:33:28 PM »

Ron Ellis said after the race  Zenyatta misjudged the wire.
He was being dead serious.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 09:35:17 PM »

Ron Ellis said after the race  Zenyatta misjudged the wire.
He was being dead serious.

Ron Ellis is quite the comedian.
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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 09:36:12 PM »

Ron Ellis said after the race  Zenyatta misjudged the wire.
He was being dead serious.

Maybe they should have jogged her by it another 50 or 60 times this week in training, so she could get a better perspective on it.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 09:38:06 PM »

Blame's trip wasn't exactly a stroll in the park. Take a hard look at it on replay, if you haven't already.

I have, several times already. And while not absolutely 100% ideal, was rather garden variety to these eyes. He certainly had a significantly better trip than Zenyatta.

But what difference does that make, even if true?

Does it give Point Given that Kentucky Derby, for instance?

None at all, which is why Blame should still be HOY -- but it's not like it's an off-topic measure to mention it.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2010, 09:39:21 PM »

I couldn't believe he said it.He said it was the position of her ears  as they hit the finish that lead him to that conclusion.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2010, 09:40:33 PM »

None at all, which is why Blame should still be HOY -- but it's not like it's an off-topic measure to mention it.

I'm not worried about you mentioning it ... I was taking a potshot at the claim in another thread, that since she was clearly the best horse in the field, she deserved HOY (unless you just want to argue about it).
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 09:41:50 PM »

I couldn't believe he said it.He said it was the position of her ears  as they hit the finish that lead him to that conclusion.

Maybe her ears were in a different position because there was actually a horse in front of her at the wire.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2010, 09:44:34 PM »

I'm not worried about you mentioning it ... I was taking a potshot at the claim in another thread, that since she was clearly the best horse in the field, she deserved HOY (unless you just want to argue about it).

And I think that despite my strong opinion that Zenyatta was best today, Blame losing HOY would be an absolute shame.
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« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2010, 05:14:19 AM »

I said it before the race, whichever of the big four wins this race will get HOY, therefore I would vote for Blame if I had a vote.
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2010, 07:09:28 AM »

While it will be interesting to read op-eds in the coming weeks and try to get a feel for how HOY voting will work out, it's refreshing to know that we should not have the same acrimony this time around -- as even BTW's most fervent Zenyatta fans have all spoken up in advance that she needed to beat one of the top contenders here to secure HOY.

Or, at least I sure hope that's the case. Will I be surprised if she wins it? Nope. Will I be disappointed? Yep, because that would take away from what HOY is all about -- a single year's campaign, as much as that may be a quirky issue to deal with after the race she ran tonight.

When people are involved emotions come inot play.The vote will be tighter this year than last.
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