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Cablacinasian
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« on: November 05, 2010, 09:36:05 PM »

Who will be more to blame.

I'm going to say Mike Smith will catch the brunt of it all.  Always blame the jockey.

Poor Mike Smith...
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« Reply #1 on: November 05, 2010, 09:40:54 PM »

Their would be know blame on any one or anything everyone knows she will do her best and her connections she comes from behind do you know how hard that is to do and not get blocked you are ignant fool and save the matches you been snorting the sulfur to much.
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« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2010, 09:42:44 PM »

Their would be know blame on any one or anything everyone knows she will do her best and her connections she comes from behind do you know how hard that is to do and not get blocked you are ignant fool and save the matches you been snorting the sulfur to much.

I was talking about the zipperheads on this forum.  Her connections are all class. 
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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2010, 09:48:39 PM »

I was talking about the zipperheads on this forum.  Her connections are all class. 
Their are only two zipper heads that attack her and you are one.
So here you go.Looking to start a bunch of crap and in reality lets cross that bridge when we get their but honestly you cant you are as nerveous and shakey as a dog crapping peach pits.
Ignant fool
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« Reply #4 on: November 05, 2010, 10:03:28 PM »

Who will be more to blame.

I'm going to say Mike Smith will catch the brunt of it all.  Always blame the jockey.

Poor Mike Smith...

You have NO idea how much I wish you would go away. 
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« Reply #5 on: November 05, 2010, 10:16:35 PM »

You have NO idea how much I wish you would go away. 
Pammy some people just like to act stupid cause they cant help them selves and it makes them feel good to get any kind of attention.
You can tell this bumb has know idea about moral character and integrity is what you would call an embarrassment to racing.
He is the kind that hurt racing but sooner or later they all get run out of the business and cry for their stupid slot rebates..
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2010, 12:36:35 AM »

Their are only two zipper heads that attack her and you are one.
So here you go.Looking to start a bunch of crap and in reality lets cross that bridge when we get their but honestly you cant you are as nerveous and shakey as a dog crapping peach pits.
Ignant fool

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keep up the good work fuzzy pants.
Your little buddy says hi from Md.

I hope she wins. Will be good for all of horse racing.
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2010, 12:51:28 AM »

Come on dude, Mike Smith?!?! You wanna talk about a big money rider.  Watch some of the rides he has put on horses, like Giacomo in the Derby, Inside Infortmation, Skip Away, Lure...they'll be no one to blame.  If she is good enough she wins. If not, she doesn't. Mike Smith will not get her beat.
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2010, 12:56:56 AM »

I dont follow thoroughbreds alot. I have seen most of her races though.
If I was betting and I am not. I would bet against her because of the dirt/ California synthetic factor.
I would think it has to be by far the biggest negative.
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2010, 01:02:26 AM »

She has won on dirt, and her acceleration did not diminish on conventional dirt, in fact I like her action better, and feel it is longer reaching and more fluid.  This field is better than last year's.  Just a question of if she is good enough.
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2010, 01:23:34 AM »

She has won on dirt, and her acceleration did not diminish on conventional dirt, in fact I like her action better, and feel it is longer reaching and more fluid.  This field is better than last year's.  Just a question of if she is good enough.

I'm sure shes won on every surface.
You would know more than me. the other California synthetic horses I saw didn't do so well on Friday.
Good luck. I am excited to watch the race. Which is a good thing when the casual fan is excited.
Hope all goes well. No break downs on the whole card please. Is the thing I am hoping for most. And I do hope she wins. In a spectacular fashion. Like last year. Which I thought was second only to Secretariat at the Belmont as far as impressiveness of a race to watch.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2010, 01:29:04 AM »

Watch a replay of the 2000 and 2001 BC Classic...youll enjoy them as well.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2010, 02:03:28 AM »

Watch a replay of the 2000 and 2001 BC Classic...youll enjoy them as well.

Wow thanks. I had seen them on TVG. But never back to back. Impressive. Talk about heart.
But theres something about a horse coming from so far off the pace like Zenyatta.
Where does Tiznow rate as far as all time greats?
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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2010, 02:10:46 AM »

Tiznow gets overlooked.  Aside from the Breeders Cup Classics he won, a lot of people will have a hard time remembering any other race he won, which is a shame.  I think what he lacked in pure talent, he more than made up for with heart, and unwavering determination.  When you look at some of the Classic winners, its hard to believe he is the only won to have won it twice...Alysheba, Sunday Silence, A.P Indy, Cigar, Skip Away, Curlin...
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2010, 02:23:11 AM »

Tiznow gets overlooked.  Aside from the Breeders Cup Classics he won, a lot of people will have a hard time remembering any other race he won, which is a shame.  I think what he lacked in pure talent, he more than made up for with heart, and unwavering determination.  When you look at some of the Classic winners, its hard to believe he is the only won to have won it twice...Alysheba, Sunday Silence, A.P Indy, Cigar, Skip Away, Curlin...

Thanks Darin. Didn't know Zenyatta would be only the 2nd one to win back to back classics.
To bad it wont be back to back horse of the year. I thought she should have won it last year.
Zenyatta wins and shes in the Secretariat level? Cant wait to watch.
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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2010, 02:29:41 AM »

I respectfully disagree on Horse of the Year last year. Rachel Alexandra won the Kentucky Oaks, Preakness, Haskell and Woodward...defeating three year old males twice, and older horses once.  It was the greatest campaign any three year old filly has ever put together.  As far as Zenyatta and Secretariat, its incomparable.  One didnt start until fall of her three year old season, the other didnt race past that point.  Secretariat won from 5 furlongs to 1 1/2 miles. on dirt and turf, and won the Triple Crown.  The way he won the Belmont...it just separates him from everyone else.  To me there's Man O' War, Citation and Secretariat.  I just feel that horses were of a different breed back then. Stronger, more durable, more rugged and tougher animals.  Horses like Secretariat to me trounce anything from the modern era based on that alone.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2010, 02:36:14 AM »

Secretariat, Man O War, Citation, Spectacular Bid, Seattle Slew, Affirmed, War Admiral, Kelso, Native Dancer..I just dont know where to place Zenyatta in history...its easier to compare her against fillies and mares.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2010, 02:37:55 AM »

Darin,

You may want to say IN YOUR OPINION RA'S 3yo campaign was the greatest any 3yo filly has ever assembled
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2010, 02:39:54 AM »

Well I feel Ruffian's would have been better had it not been cut short...but can you name a better campaign by a three year old filly?
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2010, 02:42:01 AM »

ZARAKAVA
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2010, 02:42:55 AM »

Stronger, more durable, more rugged and tougher animals.  Horses like Secretariat to me trounce anything from the modern era based on that alone.

Thats about breeding and drugs both legal and illegal.
There is no doubt the horses from the past were stronger and tougher.
She could be top 5 all time? Rachel Alexander isn't?
Again more asking than saying. I don't follow the sport outside the triple crown and breeders cup.

Also since I was born in 71 and wasn't aware of Secretariat. If Zenyatta wins tomorrow she is the horse of my lifetime? to me she will be if she wins tomorrow. Rachel Alexander isn't. I am ignorant to the importance of the Haskell and Woodard though. Except that they are big time grade 1 races. Ive never seen them.
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2010, 02:48:16 AM »

I wasn't including European horses.  It's two totally different things to measure.  European turf fillies race against and beat males far more often then American Dirt runners.  Zarkava's campaign was brilliant, but Rachel's was unprecedented.  If you wanna start to rattle off European runners, and go through the All Alongs, Pebbles, Miesque...Goldikova.  I dont compare European horses to American.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2010, 02:53:06 AM »

She can't be top 5 to me for what I said earlier about horses of the past vs. horses today.  Secretariat, Man O War, Citation, Spectacular Bid and Ruffian are my top 5.  War Admiral, Kelso, Forego, Buckpaser, Dr. *** probably round out my top 10. Zenyatta goes ahead of Rachel, because Rachel had 8 great months, Zenyatta has had three great years.  But measuring a single year, 2009, a single campaign...Rachel's 2009, to me was unprecedented, unmatched, and better then Zenyatta's.
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2010, 02:58:43 AM »

She can't be top 5 to me for what I said earlier about horses of the past vs. horses today.  Secretariat, Man O War, Citation, Spectacular Bid and Ruffian are my top 5.  War Admiral, Kelso, Forego, Buckpaser, Dr. *** probably round out my top 10. Zenyatta goes ahead of Rachel, because Rachel had 8 great months, Zenyatta has had three great years.  But measuring a single year, 2009, a single campaign...Rachel's 2009, to me was unprecedented, unmatched, and better then Zenyatta's.

A horse like man o war that there is no tape of? Do you look at stats? Like Beyer figures from his races?
I consider Babe Ruth the greatest baseball player ever because of the power of the stats.
How can you put a horse you never saw and there isn't video up so high?
Just asking?
Zenyatta is pretty cool. The dancing and stuff. ESPN has been covering this alot. Its something someone my mom watches. Zenyattas star power is big. Biggest since secreteriat. Bigger than barbaro because barbaro is a tragedy.
Ive enjoyed this discussion. It has me more excited to watch the race.
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« Reply #24 on: November 06, 2010, 03:01:48 AM »

Darin,

If you are not comparing all horses that your " RA'S 3yo filly season was the greartest 3yo filly ever assembled " comment cannot be true.
Goldikova was beaten twice by Zarakava yet came here and beat open company in the BC Mile as a 3yo.
I know Euro fillies face males all the time.
I know all about Pebbles Miesque and others as I bet those also.I think if you look closer their 3yos seasons were not better than Zarakava's IMO.
RA'S 3yo campaign was unprecendeted yes,greatest ever NO WAY.

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