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« on: October 23, 2010, 06:38:12 PM »

Horse loaded with soda and flying 151.4 is a disgrace.   Criminals.
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 06:51:57 PM »

track is wicked hard, first race non winners of 1 trotters in 56, hard working trainer and a good drive by dan
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 07:11:29 PM »

i new i hammered it to much thats why the exacta came back way short
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 07:12:22 PM »

track is wicked hard, first race non winners of 1 trotters in 56, hard working trainer and a good drive by dan

i dont care how hard the track is its ice cold.   the entire backside knows mcneil will load them up to make a score.  this was one of those times.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 07:14:04 PM »

it`s 49 degrees that isn`t cold, beautiful weather
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« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2010, 08:00:12 AM »

JJ we all know what goes on there, if you wrote a  letter to Tioga Mgmt about (Hallett, from other thread, which I congrats you on), then you should also write one to them about not having pre-race testing at Vernon and not threaten them about betting there instead just stop betting both places. I am not sure it will not matter in the overall scheme of things but will make them think. Their game is not racing although Gural is pro racing, it is all casino action because without that there is no racing. Without casinos he has a piece of farm land in Tioga County that might have some value with natural gas, and some land he can sell to the Turning Stone Indians, in both cases he would have a substantial loss considering how much money he has put into both locations. Bet the tracks that at least make an attempt to eliminate the soda effect, Saratoga, Meadowlands, Monticello, Yonkers (but not sure how much is really done here). Some people will say it does not matter but the reality is you have to start somewhere and if you can deter some of the cheating that goes on and stop something that hurts the game as well as the horses then that is good in my eyes.
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« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2010, 08:50:50 AM »

quite a few races were pre race tested by the state last night for the bi carb
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« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2010, 09:05:18 AM »

Lame where were many races tested for bi carb last night; yonkers?
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« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2010, 11:36:50 AM »

JJ we all know what goes on there, if you wrote a  letter to Tioga Mgmt about (Hallett, from other thread, which I congrats you on), then you should also write one to them about not having pre-race testing at Vernon and not threaten them about betting there instead just stop betting both places. I am not sure it will not matter in the overall scheme of things but will make them think. Their game is not racing although Gural is pro racing, it is all casino action because without that there is no racing. Without casinos he has a piece of farm land in Tioga County that might have some value with natural gas, and some land he can sell to the Turning Stone Indians, in both cases he would have a substantial loss considering how much money he has put into both locations. Bet the tracks that at least make an attempt to eliminate the soda effect, Saratoga, Meadowlands, Monticello, Yonkers (but not sure how much is really done here). Some people will say it does not matter but the reality is you have to start somewhere and if you can deter some of the cheating that goes on and stop something that hurts the game as well as the horses then that is good in my eyes.
Cheats, that land was available for sale to the Oneida's for years.  They didn't want it.  Then again they seem to think they're the best thing to ever hit Central New York and the gaming industry.  In all honesty, the area needs the 5000 jobs that they provide, but in reality, they should treat their help AND their customers alot better.  One wonders how they're doing now that the Binghamton/Scranton markets have places to go closer to home.
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« Reply #9 on: October 28, 2010, 04:46:57 PM »

MCNEIL IN DETENTION.  BOOYA.  THEY SHOULD HAVE THROWN HIS ASS OUT.  DETENTION IS BETTER THEN NOTHING.
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« Reply #10 on: October 28, 2010, 04:48:23 PM »

MCNEIL IN DETENTION.  BOOYA.  THEY SHOULD HAVE THROWN HIS ASS OUT.  DETENTION IS BETTER THEN NOTHING.
AWSOME WORK ON THIS JUICE thumbs up thumbs up (u)ALL BECAUSE OF YOU
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« Reply #11 on: October 28, 2010, 05:48:02 PM »

Horse loaded with soda and flying 151.4 is a disgrace.   Criminals.
ANOTHER UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2010, 05:51:09 PM »

ANOTHER UNSUBSTANTIATED RUMOUR
especially if we're talking about Daley Deposit Only, which I really am not sure that they are.
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2010, 05:52:34 PM »

AWSOME WORK ON THIS JUICE thumbs up thumbs up (u)ALL BECAUSE OF YOU

THANKS MAN.  IF WE KEEP BANDING TOGETHER THE JUDGES WILL LISTEN.   THEY SAID THEY HAD OVER 4500 CALLS AND EMAILS, ALL IN SUPPORT OF ME AND CORRECTING THE HARNESS SYSTEM.    THEY EVEN REPREMANDED ANN MARIE DOLAN, NOTCE HOW MUCH SMOOTHER THE STARTS ARE?
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2010, 05:54:16 PM »

 mucker mucker mucker mucker mucker
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2010, 05:58:44 PM »

ANN MARIE DOLAN IS THE TOPS
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2010, 06:01:14 PM »

mucker mucker mucker mucker mucker

THANKS ***
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« Reply #17 on: October 28, 2010, 06:04:09 PM »

especially if we're talking about Daley Deposit Only, which I really am not sure that they are.
Kommander Hawk was the horse they are talking about.
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« Reply #18 on: October 28, 2010, 06:52:35 PM »

Gee, who used to train horses for the McNeil family at the Meadowlands???  The answer will not surprise you.
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« Reply #19 on: October 28, 2010, 06:57:20 PM »

mucker mucker mucker mucker mucker

you be da man
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« Reply #20 on: October 28, 2010, 09:47:43 PM »

THANKS ***
*** is to intelligent to be Brandon Loomis, Juice ......... trotter
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« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2010, 06:24:21 AM »

VERNON DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHEATING thumbs up
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« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2010, 08:03:13 AM »

VERNON DOING SOMETHING ABOUT THE CHEATING thumbs up
MORE THE NYSRWB. 

4500 CALLS AND EMAILS IN 3 DAYS ALL SUPPORTING JUICE JUNKIES FROM BARNTOWIRE.    WHEN THEY ASKED ME WHY I CHOSE THIS AS MY OUTLET TO CRITIZE THEM, MY RESPONSE STARTELED THEM.


JUICEJUNKIES REPONSE=BARNTOWIRE IS THE NUMBER 1 FORUM, WHERE RESPONSIBILE OWNERS, FANS, BREEDERS, TRAINERS, GROOMS, SHIPPERS, FARRIERS, TRACK KITCHENS, VETS, FEED SUPPLIERS, AND ALL OTHERS WHO MAKE THIS GAME SO WONDERFUL COMINGLE, WITH 1 COMMON GROUND, HARNESS RACING.   

THANK-YOU JANINE!

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« Reply #23 on: October 29, 2010, 08:15:48 AM »

This is something that I do not understand regarding TC02 testing and other track regulations....

They state that a horse will be scratched if a sample comes back as being high, therefore, the horse does not race that day. Obviously this only works for the on-site black box. But, if a sample that is sent to Cornell (for example) comes back as high (post race) then the trainer can take up to 30 (or more) days to "get their affairs in order" before serving their suspension. During those 30 days, they are permitted to race.

In a recent case, where a trainer was found to have numerous illegal items in their possession on track grounds, they were given the same deal, take 30 days to get your affairs in order. The whole time they are still actively racing, and then at the end of that time, they leave for another track out of state where they can continue on racing. Therefore, besides the "shame" of the suspension in one state, their business goes on without a hitch.

How does this stop anything? Wouldn't it make more sense to have suspensions start as soon as the "crime" has been found out? Detention is a lot of nonsense, everyone knows that, most of the illegal stuff is done before that window.
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« Reply #24 on: October 29, 2010, 08:53:55 AM »

I will reply in parts to this.  BFF-I love when you post, your such a warm, good natured spirit, the world could use 30 more of you.  Me personally, I would like to have just 1.


They state that a horse will be scratched if a sample comes back as being high, therefore, the horse does not race that day. Obviously this only works for the on-site black box. But, if a sample that is sent to Cornell (for example) comes back as high (post race) then the trainer can take up to 30 (or more) days to "get their affairs in order" before serving their suspension. During those 30 days, they are permitted to race.

In a recent case, where a trainer was found to have numerous illegal items in their possession on track grounds, they were given the same deal, take 30 days to get your affairs in order. The whole time they are still actively racing, and then at the end of that time, they leave for another track out of state where they can continue on racing. Therefore, besides the "shame" of the suspension in one state, their business goes on without a hitch.


This is sickening, a black eye, and such events should not be allowed.   Contact the state in which it occured and the state in which they moved onto.   Make sure they know that we know, and moreso that we are not happy about it.


How does this stop anything? Wouldn't it make more sense to have suspensions start as soon as the "crime" has been found out? Detention is a lot of nonsense, everyone knows that, most of the illegal stuff is done before that window.

I say that due process has to occur and a speedy hearing, just like the constitution.  This 30 day window or sometimes when it comes to appeals months or even years pass.   Look at how long Tim Case jammed them in the box while appealing.

Detention is a start BFF, last week the wagering board was doing nothing.  I commend the hard work and dedication that the NYSRWB has exibited in the past 10 days.   It will take years for them to clean this sport up.   

Conclusion, In the end we need to police ourselves-This turning a blind eye or sweeping bad publicity under the rug needs to end.  A new era in harness racing needs to start.   I feel the wheels have begun rolling, but we need to help ourselves. 

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« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2010, 04:35:19 PM »

MORE THE NYSRWB. 

4500 CALLS AND EMAILS IN 3 DAYS ALL SUPPORTING JUICE JUNKIES FROM BARNTOWIRE.    WHEN THEY ASKED ME WHY I CHOSE THIS AS MY OUTLET TO CRITIZE THEM, MY RESPONSE STARTELED THEM.


JUICEJUNKIES REPONSE=BARNTOWIRE IS THE NUMBER 1 FORUM, WHERE RESPONSIBILE OWNERS, FANS, BREEDERS, TRAINERS, GROOMS, SHIPPERS, FARRIERS, TRACK KITCHENS, VETS, FEED SUPPLIERS, AND ALL OTHERS WHO MAKE THIS GAME SO WONDERFUL COMINGLE, WITH 1 COMMON GROUND, HARNESS RACING.   

THANK-YOU JANINE!


WHO R U KIDDING
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« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2010, 09:38:40 PM »

JOHN C .  MCNEIL, III
 
( Licensee )
 
( Licensed As )
 
 1400306 - 2011
 
( New York State Racing License Number )
 
Vernon Downs
 
Notice Number  :  VD  97 - 2010
 
TRAINER
 
You are hereby notified that  :
 
Having appeared before a representative of the New York State Racing and Wagering Board, and waived your right to 
 
appeal, and the Board considering the circumstances, your fine is reduced from the amount of TWO THOUSAND 
 
DOLLARS AND ZERO CENTS  ( $ 2 , 000 . 00 )  to ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS AND ZERO CENTS  ( $ 1 , 000 . 00 ).   
 
Please make check or money order payable to the New York State Racing and Wagering Board .   Your suspension is 
 
reduced from one hundred twenty  ( 120 )  to sixty  ( 60 )  Days, November  7 ,  2010  through January  5 ,  2011 .   You are 
 
eligible to participate on  1 / 6 / 2011 .
 
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« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2010, 09:50:38 PM »

Quote from: NYSRWB
  at Vernon Downs, 
 
your horse was above the limit TCO 2  reading in the above stated rules .
 
ORDERED, that during your period of suspension, you shall not directly or indirectly participate in New York State 
 
pari - mutuel horse racing, you shall be denied the privileges and use of the grounds of New York State racetracks, and 
 
you shall be forbidden to participate in any share of purses .  In addition, every horse shall be denied the privileges of the 
 
grounds and shall not participate in pari - mutuel racing  ( i )  that is owned or trained by you during your period of your 
 
suspension,  ( ii )  that is owned or trained by any individual who continues to serve as your agent or employee during your 
 
period of suspension, or  ( iii )  for which you directly or indirectly make or execute, during your period of suspension, any 
 
arrangement with an owner or other person to care for, train, enter in a race, invoice, collect fees or other payments 
 
related to, employ workers for, or otherwise handle .
 

THIS MCNEIL IS A BAD APPLE.  A SCUM, HOW IS HIS SENTENCE NOT START UNTIL NOVEMBER 7?

ANYONE WHO DOUBTS JUICEJUNKIES JUST KEEP WATCHING AND LEARNING.

EVERYONE PLEASE WRITE TO SETTLEMOIR AND GURAL.   THEY BAN JOSH MARKS FOR AN ARGUEMENT BUT ALLOW JOHN MCNEIL TO STAY AND JUICE HORSES.
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« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2010, 10:14:10 PM »

http://www.vernondowns.com/media/racing/vd_media_guide.pdf

Page 3 of this PDF link has Settlemoirs office phone number listed.   Please anyone and everyone call and express your feelings about recent situations.

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« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2010, 10:15:45 PM »

http://www.vernondowns.com/media/racing/vd_media_guide.pdf

Page 3 of this PDF link has Settlemoirs office phone number listed.   Please anyone and everyone call and express your feelings about recent situations.


THEY LET HIM TAKE HIS DAYS AFTER THEY CLOSE?
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« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2010, 10:17:20 PM »



ANYONE WHO DOUBTS JUICEJUNKIES JUST KEEP WATCHING AND LEARNING
WHO U KIDDING
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« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2010, 10:19:35 PM »

THEY LET HIM TAKE HIS DAYS AFTER THEY CLOSE?

NOT QUITE BUT AFTER HE STOLE PURSE MONEY FROM HARD WORKING HORSEMEN.

SETTLEMOIRS EMAIL IS ON THE USTA PAGE.   I WILL POST A LINK TO HIS EMAIL AS WELL.   PLEASE 1 AND ALL LET THEM KNOW WE RESENT THESE TYPES OF ACTIONS.
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« Reply #32 on: October 29, 2010, 10:23:06 PM »

http://www.ustrotting.com/viewdirs.cfm?dir=38&dis=8&show=single

SETTLEMOIRS USTA DIRECTOR PAGE.   YES HE IS A DISTRICT 8 DIRECTOR.   HE NEEDS TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT WE ARE UNHAPPY WITH RESENT CHOICES.   LINK TO EMAIL ON HIS PAGE.
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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2010, 10:23:21 PM »

NOT QUITE BUT AFTER HE STOLE PURSE MONEY FROM HARD WORKING HORSEMEN.

SETTLEMOIRS EMAIL IS ON THE USTA PAGE.   I WILL POST A LINK TO HIS EMAIL AS WELL.   PLEASE 1 AND ALL LET THEM KNOW WE RESENT THESE TYPES OF ACTIONS.
WILL DO
THANKS FOR SAVING HARNESS RACING
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« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2010, 07:03:57 AM »

maybe the posts about VD not allowed, under contract, to use black box got the state in gear a little Huh

Well, time will tell who gets stalls next year.. McNeil at Vd and the Fl.guy that goes to Tioga that got the Pos at Buffalo...
2 that we know of...
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« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2010, 07:05:47 AM »

HOW ABOUT *** & CAMPBELL
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« Reply #36 on: October 30, 2010, 12:16:18 PM »

bump.
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« Reply #37 on: October 30, 2010, 03:30:55 PM »

WHITTEMORE AND ZOMBIC ARE DONE FOR AWHILE .ALL IN PENALTY BOX WITH JOSH
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« Reply #38 on: October 30, 2010, 03:38:01 PM »

If they let McNeil race tonight it is a slap in the face to all the Vernon horsemen and fans.
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« Reply #39 on: October 30, 2010, 03:40:01 PM »

If they let McNeil race tonight it is a slap in the face to all the Vernon horsemen and fans.
THEY SHOULD SCRATCH THEM .IF THEY DONT IM THINKING HE WONT BE USING EPO TONIGHT LIKE LAST WEEK
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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2010, 03:49:31 PM »

think he gave the "epo" long before the fine was handed down
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2010, 03:51:17 PM »

think he gave the "epo" long before the fine was handed down
MY BAG
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2010, 05:42:56 PM »

GOOD LUCK MCNEIL
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2010, 05:43:35 PM »

If they let McNeil race tonight it is a slap in the face to all the Vernon horsemen and fans.
NOT SCRATCHED YET
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2010, 05:49:00 PM »

GO GETEM MCNEIL
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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2010, 05:51:26 PM »

If they let McNeil race tonight it is a slap in the face to all the Vernon horsemen and fans.
POST SETTLEMORES EMAIL AGAIN
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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2010, 05:52:45 PM »

LET ME KNOW HOW SEAN DOES TONIGHT
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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2010, 05:54:02 PM »

http://www.ustrotting.com/viewdirs.cfm?dir=38&dis=8&show=single

SETTLEMOIRS USTA DIRECTOR PAGE.   YES HE IS A DISTRICT 8 DIRECTOR.   HE NEEDS TO HEAR FROM PEOPLE THAT WE ARE UNHAPPY WITH RESENT CHOICES.   LINK TO EMAIL ON HIS PAGE.
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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2010, 05:56:04 PM »

POST SETTLEMORES EMAIL AGAIN

jasonlbj01@aol.com
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2010, 05:58:29 PM »

THANKS JUICE ,YOU THE MAN AROUND HERE
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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2010, 06:02:48 PM »

THANKS JUICE ,YOU THE MAN AROUND HERE

Just doin my part.  jason did confirm that is the email he would like to use for inquires regarding Vernon Downs.
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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2010, 06:05:03 PM »

Just doin my part.  jason did confirm that is the email he would like to use for inquires regarding Vernon Downs.
THANKS JUICE ,PLEASE GIVE HIM MY REGARDS . HE REALLY IS A GOOD GUY.HES JUST UP AGAINST IT WITH THE CREW OUT THERE
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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2010, 09:13:23 PM »

THANKS JUICE ,PLEASE GIVE HIM MY REGARDS . HE REALLY IS A GOOD GUY.HES JUST UP AGAINST IT WITH THE CREW OUT THERE
ITS A CONSPIRACY
CALL THE WHITE HOUSE
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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2010, 09:19:07 PM »

ITS A CONSPIRACY
CALL THE WHITE HOUSE
laughing guy Burton, You're priceless!!!...................... trotter
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« Reply #54 on: October 30, 2010, 09:26:54 PM »

laughing guy Burton, You're priceless!!!...................... trotter
THANKS SO MUCH
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« Reply #55 on: November 02, 2010, 01:09:11 PM »


bump.  They letting Mcneil in again on Friday.
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« Reply #56 on: November 02, 2010, 01:21:27 PM »

ITS A CONSPIRACY
CALL THE WHITE HOUSE
wait, didn't they start the conspiracy?
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« Reply #57 on: November 02, 2010, 03:18:31 PM »

BUMP.
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« Reply #58 on: November 02, 2010, 03:55:43 PM »

guess it`s who you know
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« Reply #59 on: November 02, 2010, 03:58:20 PM »

guess it`s who you know

I can't believe the rest of the horsemen don't do something.   If a man was cheating at work and taking money out of my pocket, I would be pissed.

From a betters standpoint you know he has nothing to lose so he has them all loaded and firing.   Salome Marvel is an example of that,.
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« Reply #60 on: November 02, 2010, 04:24:08 PM »

I can't believe the rest of the horsemen don't do something.   If a man was cheating at work and taking money out of my pocket, I would be pissed.

From a betters standpoint you know he has nothing to lose so he has them all loaded and firing.   Salome Marvel is an example of that,.
AND THEY DO HIM A FAVOR BY LETTING HIM TAKE DAYS WHEN HE WANTS ,OR MAYBE ITS LIKE SARATOGO ,THEY GIVE HIM TIME TO FIND A BEARD
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« Reply #61 on: November 03, 2010, 08:06:40 PM »

I can't believe the rest of the horsemen don't do something.   If a man was cheating at work and taking money out of my pocket, I would be pissed.

From a betters standpoint you know he has nothing to lose so he has them all loaded and firing.   Salome Marvel is an example of that,.
ya think that there's just a little bit of turn taking up there?  They turn the blind eye because they get their shots too... great way to run a sport.
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