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Author Topic: Workforce Coming for BC Turf  (Read 733 times)
Bob B
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« on: October 23, 2010, 01:03:58 PM »

Arc and Derby winner is coming and will run if ground is not too firm. 

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=racing/10/10/23/RACING_Workforce_Substitute.html
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« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2010, 01:05:57 PM »

Can anyone name the last Arc Winner to win the Breeders Cup Turf?
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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2010, 01:23:49 PM »

Can anyone name the last Arc Winner to win the Breeders Cup Turf?

How about the last one to even run in the BC Turf? The BC races seem to attract the Euro runners up. Win an Arc, retire to stud. That's the usual route.
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« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2010, 01:41:50 PM »

No Arc winner has won the BC Turf.  11 Arc winners have tried the BC, but only 6 in the same year they won the Arc with Dylan Thomas in '07 the most recent.  Sakhee ran 2nd in the Classic in '01 after his Arc win and then you have to go back to '92 and Subotica running in the same year as his win.

It should be noted that 7 BC Turf winners had their previous race in the Arc making it the best prep in the 26 runnings of the BC Turf.  The Turf Classic in New York has had 5 winners (4 of which won the Turf Classic and the other finished 2nd before their BC Turf win).

Makes you want to look at Behkabad a little longer when handicapping the Turf.
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« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2010, 01:46:23 PM »

Thanks Bob B. More than I thought.
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« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2010, 01:47:34 PM »

Correct - I do believe Trempolino probably ran the best BC Turf of any Arc Winner
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« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2010, 01:50:24 PM »

All Along also ran 2nd but it was the year after her Arc win.  As mentioned Sakhee ran a good second to Tiznow after his Arc win but that was in the Classic on dirt.
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« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2010, 07:43:53 PM »

hmm.....no wonder paddy is going in the classic..and gio in the turf mile......
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Absolutely amazing.......s.m.h.....
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« Reply #8 on: October 23, 2010, 07:48:08 PM »

hmm.....no wonder paddy is going in the classic..and gio in the turf mile......

Last word is Gio 50-50 for the Classic.
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« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2010, 08:13:41 PM »

Does that mean there might be a problem with the horse?  It's only a couple of weeks away.
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« Reply #10 on: October 23, 2010, 08:41:05 PM »

Does that mean there might be a problem with the horse?  It's only a couple of weeks away.

Not sure what horse you mean. However, that all of a sudden a number of connections are changing their mind  and aiming toward the Classic says to me they're hearing things about "the favorite" that don't scare them off this race.

We saw the same thing the year of Skippy's (Skip Away) 2nd BC Classic attempt, when after the losing race, it was revealed he was a very sore horse going in.
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« Reply #11 on: October 23, 2010, 09:36:02 PM »

Does that mean there might be a problem with the horse?  It's only a couple of weeks away.
Hes fine, Gio is 50% to go in the classic,  50% to go in the Turf Mile.
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« Reply #12 on: October 23, 2010, 09:52:37 PM »

Thanks you two.  Got it.  I read it too fast.  I took 50% to mean maybe racing in the BC or maybe not.
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« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2010, 01:24:27 AM »

Not sure what horse you mean. However, that all of a sudden a number of connections are changing their mind  and aiming toward the Classic says to me they're hearing things about "the favorite" that don't scare them off this race.

We saw the same thing the year of Skippy's (Skip Away) 2nd BC Classic attempt, when after the losing race, it was revealed he was a very sore horse going in.

Who said that Skip Away was sore, Hine?
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« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2010, 04:36:17 AM »

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Better price on Bekhabad.  dude

 clocker biggestal

PS-Its a two euro race bet an american at the risk of your bankroll.
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« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2010, 08:29:49 AM »

Who said that Skip Away was sore, Hine?

I think he or Carolyn did confirm the story that went around after the retirement to stud, that Skippy had back issues, but it was so long ago it's hard to remember for sure.
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« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2010, 03:40:51 PM »

I took everything he said with a grain of salt.
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« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2010, 06:02:54 PM »

I think he or Carolyn did confirm the story that went around after the retirement to stud, that Skippy had back issues, but it was so long ago it's hard to remember for sure.

well, he had those knee (i think - might have been ankle) chips there that were never removed and he was a hard knocking, hard running champ......it's possible they caught up to him as well.....
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2010, 05:28:53 PM »

Oh yea, he was chiseled out of stone. I just never cared for Sonny Hine. He beat my favorite Cigar.... another reason why I dislike Bailey. I will never fault him for his ride when he lost to Dare and Go, it was a no-win situation, but the ride in JCGC was horrific, had him way back off a tepid... at best, pace. Senseless. All I can think is that Mott or Bailey or both over-compensated because of the speed duel with the monster, Siphon. Plus, the way Bailey whipped Cigar, the poor old guy was lugging out. I still don't know how Cigar almost ran Skip Away down. Later, when Bailey was riding Skip Away, he was interviewed and asked who was better, and said "Well, Skip Away did beat Cigar". Regardless of who was better, and I don't get into that business, Cigar should not be evaluated relative to Skip Away based on that horrific ride. Bailey thought he had a machine in Cigar but you have to give the animal a ride that gives him the best chance of winning. I won't even fault him for every extremely wide ride that he gave Cigar, Nakatani and his race-riding proved why he had to be wide. Oh well, that is the past.
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