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« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2010, 09:05:52 PM »

OOPS, I meant fast PACED.  Sorry.
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« Reply #26 on: September 22, 2010, 09:10:12 PM »

pace, swoop, pace of play. America has ADD, you can play a hand of poker every couple of minutes, hit a button on a slot machine almost incessantly. Twenty minutes or so in between races is way too long for the average American to keep focused on anything.
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« Reply #27 on: September 22, 2010, 09:13:50 PM »

This is a different time, a different era. As an example ,you used to check the boxscores in the morning paper to see how your favorite players did. Sometimes you would have to wait an extra day to get the boxscores from the west coast. Now I can get stats or watch the game on my cellphone. It's  become an instant gratification society.

To get casual fans to come to the track and wait 30+ minutes for an outcome of a race is unrealistic unless it is centered around some type of other "event" like a concert etc.

If people decide they want to "go gambling" for the day, they can walk onto a boat for free, and play Blackjack( is that about 30 hands per hour maybe more) or put money in a slot machine, push a button and get an instant result.



i never ever hear when playing blackjack, when players have 20 and  the dealer goes 12,13,16,21 that the dealer cheated but go to a track and just listen to why your horse got beat or there was a dramatic form reversal that beat you. i get the instant gratifacation of the casinos but with so many places to put your entertainment dollar the last place your going to go is into what you precieve a rigged game wether its rigged or not.
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« Reply #28 on: September 22, 2010, 09:17:43 PM »

I'm talking about casual fans, in their 20s and 30s looking for a day/night out.
 A racetrack is far down on the list of entertainment choices, if it's even on their list at all.
The perception  of rigged races isn't keeping them away.
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« Reply #29 on: September 22, 2010, 09:31:05 PM »

I'm talking about casual fans, in their 20s and 30s looking for a day/night out.
 A racetrack is far down on the list of entertainment choices, if it's even on their list at all.
The perception  of rigged races isn't keeping them away.
okay fair enough. your entitled to your opinion. but what is keeping the casual fan away? the cost, the time between races, what is it? youve told me why the casinos do well, the instant gratifacation, but why does the casual fan stay away from horse racing?
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« Reply #30 on: September 22, 2010, 09:44:41 PM »

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The europeans may not use salix for bleeding. They do, however, use other forms of chemistry be it holistic or chemical to help a horse breath better.
Also take notice several horses coming from Europe opt to run on Lasix....

I know the Euros run on lasix when they race here.

In their own words they use it whether they think they need it or not so as not to be at a disadvantage.
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« Reply #31 on: September 22, 2010, 09:45:37 PM »

They do not want to spend the time HANDICAPPING.
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« Reply #32 on: September 22, 2010, 09:46:01 PM »

okay fair enough. your entitled to your opinion. but what is keeping the casual fan away? the cost, the time between races, what is it? youve told me why the casinos do well, the instant gratifacation, but why does the casual fan stay away from horse racing?


because they are just that...CASUAL fans...who like to be where it's AT ....and to be able to say they were were there.........churchill for the derby, pimlico for the preakness, belmont for it's namesake race, saratoga for the travers,arlington for the million, ......del mar at least one weekend day... the breeder's cup if they can afford it.......to go as a regular on a non big stakes day...too many other fun things to do.....i have a few 'casual' race track friends....don't understand why i like to go when i can or why i drove 'all that way' to aqueduct or why i am going to drive to 'all that way' to belmont on oct 2nd.......racing is only fun to them when when it's THE PLACE to be on a given day.....2 of my casual freinds won't bet till b cup saturday.....their last track visit was travers day....and then they won't bet again or even look at a racing publication until derby day and they'll ask well, what'd this horse win and how come this one is 27-1 etc etc
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« Reply #33 on: September 22, 2010, 09:47:25 PM »

I'm talking about casual fans, in their 20s and 30s looking for a day/night out.
 A racetrack is far down on the list of entertainment choices, if it's even on their list at all.
The perception  of rigged races isn't keeping them away.

I think you are wrong on the perception of rigged races keeping people away.
I have battled those thougts with every newbe I brought to the track for over 30 yrs.
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« Reply #34 on: September 22, 2010, 09:50:25 PM »

They do not want to spend the time HANDICAPPING.

pammy...that has nothing to do with it......most wouldn't handicap if they knew how....they just bet numbers- their birthday, house number, horse's name, silk colors....hey wait...i bet MY numbers, all 'cat', 'kitten', and run-on names horses.... laughing guy
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« Reply #35 on: September 22, 2010, 09:52:26 PM »


because they are just that...CASUAL fans...who like to be where it's AT ....and to be able to say they were were there.........churchill for the derby, pimlico for the preakness, belmont for it's namesake race, saratoga for the travers,arlington for the million, ......del mar at least one weekend day... the breeder's cup if they can afford it.......to go as a regular on a non big stakes day...too many other fun things to do.....i have a few 'casual' race track friends....don't understand why i like to go when i can or why i drove 'all that way' to aqueduct or why i am going to drive to 'all that way' to belmont on oct 2nd.......racing is only fun to them when when it's THE PLACE to be on a given day.....2 of my casual freinds won't bet till b cup saturday.....their last track visit was travers day....and then they won't bet again or even look at a racing publication until derby day and they'll ask well, what'd this horse win and how come this one is 27-1 etc etc
mare youve told me in the above post why the casual fan wants to go. now tell me whats keeping the casual fan away.
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« Reply #36 on: September 22, 2010, 10:01:53 PM »

mare youve told me in the above post why the casual fan wants to go. now tell me whats keeping the casual fan away.

well, my point was that the casual fans ONLY wants to go on the 'big' days.....other days are not interesting, fun or 'important' (to be and be seen) enuff to go.....and these things are enuff to keep them away....
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« Reply #37 on: September 22, 2010, 10:06:47 PM »

i have a NASCAR ( ugh!)' fan' friend who only goes to daytona.....cause 'everyone' who follows nascar goes there and my best friend, .....goes to dave matthews every yr when he plays SPAC cause, as she says  'everyone does'.....her son, on the other hand...a devout dm fan.....follows dm's east coast tour every summer when he home from college....
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« Reply #38 on: September 23, 2010, 10:47:06 AM »

I'm talking about casual fans, in their 20s and 30s looking for a day/night out.
 A racetrack is far down on the list of entertainment choices, if it's even on their list at all.
The perception  of rigged races isn't keeping them away.

I agree here, nor do drugs mean much to them.  If it is a beautiful day and a clean track, they will go for the day in the sun effect.  Some like to see the horses, especially women.  Of course, if it is a classic like the Derby, being part of the scene is nice.  As far as gambling is concerned, they like to pick a few horses and maybe win a couple of dollars in a race, without betting much.  That is enough for them for awhile.  That is a description of the current casual fan.

Most people out there are not fans period, nor are they curious about racing.

If you are a regular, then you like problem-solving and the possible reward that goes with it.  Not many of these people around and getting fewer every day.
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« Reply #39 on: September 23, 2010, 11:22:07 AM »

okay fair enough. your entitled to your opinion. but what is keeping the casual fan away? the cost, the time between races, what is it? youve told me why the casinos do well, the instant gratifacation, but why does the casual fan stay away from horse racing?

Casual fans these days are interested in human sports, especially sports they themselves can play, and buy the same shoes as the pros and fool themselves that they too, could be a star, if only they practiced just a bit more. And that is what is marketed to America on TV - professional quality shoes and sports drinks and athletic equipment and everything else, "Take your game to a whole new level!" No one markets jockey boots, so TV doesn't push racing into the casual fan's consciousness.
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« Reply #40 on: September 23, 2010, 02:09:42 PM »

My " non-hardcore" racing friends/acquaintance fall into two categories.
One group goes to Arlington once a year for the day in the sun/park kind of afternoon. The other group goes a couple times a year for the Friday after work party thing.
 Neither group cares whether there are 10 stakes races or ten 5K claimerNW2 races, the racing is just a backdrop or very short diversion to their activities.
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« Reply #41 on: September 23, 2010, 02:55:13 PM »


most legit folks can't tell the front end of a horse from its back end, nor are they interested in such niggling, inconvenient details.  Also, legitimate citizens are most interested in giving and/or providing VALUE, such as, for example, getting and receiving a good deal or as likewise, a good return for their time and money.  Beware!   This applies to not only the entertainment categories, but can as well, include categorizing humans.
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« Reply #42 on: September 23, 2010, 03:01:50 PM »

Pammy...that has nothing to do with it......most wouldn't handicap if they knew how....they just bet numbers- their birthday, house number, horse's name, silk colors....hey wait...i bet MY numbers, all 'cat', 'kitten', and renown names horses.... laughing guy

I beg to differ.  I think it has a lot to do with it.  When I show my sons friend's how to handicap each year in Ferndale, most do not take to the form.  They just want me to tell them which horse to bet.    Two boys out of about 30 took to the form and have it with them every day they come.  They only bet horses once a year but they look very forward to the meet and getting their hands on a form.

The rest of the younger people who come only come for the once a year crowd and the beer.  Finding women and having a party, which is what Ferndale is. A big party. 

I really think the younger crowd wants more instant gratification as someone else here said. Handicapping is too slow and waiting in between races is too slow.   Whether races are fixed or not doesn't even come into their mind.  Hey, everyone in Ferndale knows some races are fixed.
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« Reply #43 on: September 23, 2010, 03:13:22 PM »

This is a different time, a different era. As an example ,you used to check the boxscores in the morning paper to see how your favorite players did. Sometimes you would have to wait an extra day to get the boxscores from the west coast. Now I can get stats or watch the game on my cellphone. It's  become an instant gratification society.

To get casual fans to come to the track and wait 30+ minutes for an outcome of a race is unrealistic unless it is centered around some type of other "event" like a concert etc.

If people decide they want to "go gambling" for the day, they can walk onto a boat for free, and play Blackjack( is that about 30 hands per hour maybe more) or put money in a slot machine, push a button and get an instant result.



You hit the nail right on the head!
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