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« Reply #25 on: September 05, 2010, 04:48:46 PM »

She sounds a lot more like Rachel than Zenyatta! laughing guy

You're reaching now, Mel. That didn't even make sense.
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« Reply #26 on: September 05, 2010, 04:57:44 PM »

I will be betting Zenyatta heavily on BC day and I'll single her in my Pick-6.
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« Reply #27 on: September 05, 2010, 05:00:55 PM »


QR got spooked last yr and will face an even bigger crowd in tighter surroundings this yr at CD.20-25K at Saratoga does not equal what will be at CD especially if RA and Z are in the Classic.

QR now wears horsey ear plugs......
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« Reply #28 on: September 05, 2010, 05:04:45 PM »

HV,

Isn't everything spin ? We all take facts or figures that are available to make our cases.

No question IMO I thought 5-2 was a bad price to bet on her  last yr.I was not as concerned with the 10 panels as I was other things.The poly,the Euros,who she faced before the BC Classic.It took all way thru the Classic before I became a Z fan last yr.
You will not find a post or thread on a couple of forums where I was in her corner before that race.

It is not so much that I don't think QR can beat Z at the distance it is I don't think he will win a mile and qtr G1 race with a quality field.He may indeed beat Z but get beat by someone else.

I donlt know how to explain it but there is something I see and I posted it at another forum before he scratched out of last years Derby.I do not see QR winning a G1 race beyond 1 1/8 miles.

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« Reply #29 on: September 05, 2010, 05:10:54 PM »

QR now wears horsey ear plugs......

I don't think that is going to solve all the problems.
I have not been to Saratoga but I have been to SA and CD.
QR will be surrounded by a lot more people in tighter quarters than she ever has been before.We all know what is possible when that happens

If the field takes shape with RA,Z and QR all in the Classic on a nice weather day I look for CD to break their own BC record for attendance.
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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2010, 05:38:08 PM »

HV,

Isn't everything spin ? We all take facts or figures that are available to make our cases.

Depends. There is the plain, straightforward way of saying something...and then there is the tortured, twisted way of saying something so that it sounds like more than it is.

Anything beyond that, of course, is Fox News.

The only horse racing Kool-Aid I ever drank was labeled Niatross and or John D.Campbell

Two very good brands, proven over time and against ALL comers.
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« Reply #31 on: September 05, 2010, 06:32:04 PM »

No reason for RA to go in the classic.....i hope she runs in the ladies....its' her better distance!
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« Reply #32 on: September 05, 2010, 09:05:17 PM »

I'll be content if she loses while running a good race and going 21-20-1-0 in her career. You however, will take a beating on here.

Take a beating for what? I'm not predicting she will lose.
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« Reply #33 on: September 06, 2010, 05:15:11 AM »

I think you are wrong on more that one count here.
First off I think mile races are considered " middle distance " not route distance.
Secondly,QR has won only 2 G1 route races this year not 3.

He has still not won a race at 1 1/4 miles facing a full field of horses let alone quality horses.He is certainly vulnerable in the BC Classic.


Here's some food for thought.

of all the legit contenders pointing for the BC classic which have finished in the money
in a 10F dirt race in a grade 1 race.

races are not carded for the classic distance which makes the race prime for an upset a lot of years.

Trainers don't know how to prep horses for 10F in the fall.

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« Reply #34 on: September 06, 2010, 05:17:10 AM »

QR now wears horsey ear plugs......

Ya see how easily he went into the gate in the woodward.

the gate problems are non-existant anymore.

if he loses it won't be because of his gate antics.

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« Reply #35 on: September 06, 2010, 06:15:22 AM »

Bird Brain,

Sorry to see that the "coach" has further ruined your little champion.  The owners are so wrong.  MTB should be given to a patient trainer like Barclay Tagg or Billy Turner.  I would love to see him run in the gold cup @ HAW with Inez as the jock.  He needs to be placed in a ungraded stakes or a grade III at most right now to get his confidence back.  As far as yester day goes the box seats section @ AP looked quite empty.

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He'll always be a little champion in my heart.  I thought the same thing about Inez and HAW.  It seems that these owners are only interested in the big time.  I just pray they give him to a trainer who won't break him down trying to accomplish his own agenda (you know the owners are listening to his advise), or retire him so he can enjoy being a horse.  That little guy will make a wonderful friend for life for someone. So laid back yet so curious about the world around him.  I admit it, I was a web cam stalker!

We had 8 people in our group at Arlington so we were in the wicker seats just on the other side of the boxes. My father-in-law did get them comped, and we had a good view. The boxes were very empty. 
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« Reply #36 on: September 06, 2010, 08:40:39 AM »

Ya see how easily he went into the gate in the woodward.

the gate problems are non-existant anymore.

if he loses it won't be because of his gate antics.

 clocker biggestal

Ear plugs keep a horse from being intimidated by a big nasty *** a few gates down?
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« Reply #37 on: September 06, 2010, 09:46:28 AM »

QR now wears horsey ear plugs......
She (Zenyatta) wears them too.  Rachel should try a pair, might calm her down a tad. But instead they seem to think that heavy bit and figure-8 noseband is the answer. Whatever
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« Reply #38 on: September 06, 2010, 10:03:44 AM »

Here's some food for thought.

of all the legit contenders pointing for the BC classic which have finished in the money
in a 10F dirt race in a grade 1 race.

races are not carded for the classic distance which makes the race prime for an upset a lot of years.

Trainers don't know how to prep horses for 10F in the fall.

 clocker biggestal

I am not sure what the first part of your post even means.
IMO upsets are a result of overbetting favorites who cannot really get the distance vs a quality foe who is overlooked.
Plenty of trainers have regularly succeeded  at winning at 10f regardless of time of the year.The real problem IMO is entering horses who do not belong in the first place.





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« Reply #39 on: September 06, 2010, 10:15:13 AM »

Ya see how easily he went into the gate in the woodward.

the gate problems are non-existant anymore.

if he loses it won't be because of his gate antics.

 clocker biggestal

If he makes the gate with no problem I will be wrong.IMO it will all start up before he even reaches the gate.The long walk over,the tight tunnel,not a huge paddock to deal.Along every step facing a crowd bigger than he has seen anywhere until he is surrounded as he loads into the gate.
I won't be win betting him but will use him in exotics.
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« Reply #40 on: September 06, 2010, 12:15:39 PM »

QR will be off for over 60 days and will be on the muscle early and may be hard for him to relax.
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« Reply #41 on: September 06, 2010, 02:29:34 PM »

QR will be off for over 60 days and will be on the muscle early and may be hard for him to relax.

Pletcher shipping into Churchill off the layoff in graded stakes in the last 5 years is
20-4-4-0 thats 40% exacta finishes. 20% wins. gotta think he's been training QR long enough to know the ins and outs of the horse.

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« Reply #42 on: September 06, 2010, 04:29:35 PM »

Pletcher also said Flower Alley belonged in the main body of field when the 2006 BC pre-entries were made.

Plercher's 2006 BC record: 16 starters ZERO WINNERS.
              2000                 ? starters ZERO WINNERS.
Pletcher's KY Derby Record: 15-20 ?    ONE WINNER.
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« Reply #43 on: September 06, 2010, 07:00:36 PM »

Pletcher also said Flower Alley belonged in the main body of field when the 2006 BC pre-entries were made.

Plercher's 2006 BC record: 16 starters ZERO WINNERS.
              2000                 ? starters ZERO WINNERS.
Pletcher's KY Derby Record: 15-20 ?    ONE WINNER.

huge difference between Flower Alley and Quality Road, don't you agree?

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« Reply #44 on: September 06, 2010, 08:10:54 PM »

huge difference between Flower Alley and Quality Road, don't you agree?

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I agree there is a very big difference between QR and FA.

Flower Alley had a G1 win at a mile and a qtr on his resume prior to the BC and QR does not.
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« Reply #45 on: September 06, 2010, 08:28:30 PM »

QR will be off for over 60 days and will be on the muscle early and may be hard for him to relax.

You mean, he's ducking the JCGC ?
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« Reply #46 on: September 06, 2010, 10:19:51 PM »

You mean, he's ducking the JCGC ?

Supposedly going to the BC on works......then talk today that maybe that is not such a  good idea and he really should go in the JCGC.......it's wait n see......
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« Reply #47 on: September 07, 2010, 11:48:10 AM »

You're reaching now, Mel. That didn't even make sense.

Think about it, Rachel and QR both failed at 1 1/4.
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