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« Reply #50 on: July 28, 2010, 03:16:08 PM »

Once the November elections are over (within a week after) the newly proposed 1 1/2% State of Illinois Income Tax hike will be approved by both House and Senate, and the gaming bills willnever be heard agin. You heard it hear, so be prepared !
I have been saying the same thing all along.      They bought a little time


If the republicans take over the house, senate or gov mansion nothing will be done because the lame ducks are going to try and make life hard for the new guys
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« Reply #51 on: July 28, 2010, 03:24:29 PM »

And what specific names fall under that category?  Please
tell us specifically who you are endorsing. 
Rita,Roger,Marty and Bernie

Marty and Bernie for sure.   The other 2 I can go either way
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« Reply #52 on: July 28, 2010, 09:13:21 PM »

Is that the Best Line you fools can come up with now, "No Bill was going to pass in an election year" 

No Bill was going to pass when it was introduced with one week left in the most contentious Legislative session in history.  Didn't anyone tell you guys that TIME WAS NOT NOT NOT on our side.  Oh yes but you said it was in the bag that the State Had to Deal with us, that the Tracks had to cave-in.  Now you say nothing was going to pass in an election year. 

We had a solid chance if we had an united front.  They did need to replace the losses revenues from all the towns dropping out of the Video Gambling.  We had a little leverage.  Now what do we have?
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« Reply #53 on: July 28, 2010, 10:09:33 PM »

Is that the Best Line you fools can come up with now, "No Bill was going to pass in an election year" 

No Bill was going to pass when it was introduced with one week left in the most contentious Legislative session in history.  Didn't anyone tell you guys that TIME WAS NOT NOT NOT on our side.  Oh yes but you said it was in the bag that the State Had to Deal with us, that the Tracks had to cave-in.  Now you say nothing was going to pass in an election year. 

We had a solid chance if we had an united front.  They did need to replace the losses revenues from all the towns dropping out of the Video Gambling.  We had a little leverage.  Now what do we have?


They never called!

We called their bluff.   They must of thought we would never agree on a bill.

The owners of the tracks were the ones that dragged their feet!   
Those greedy bastards stole enough through recapture
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« Reply #54 on: July 28, 2010, 11:21:15 PM »

Is that the Best Line you fools can come up with now, "No Bill was going to pass in an election year" 

No Bill was going to pass when it was introduced with one week left in the most contentious Legislative session in history.  Didn't anyone tell you guys that TIME WAS NOT NOT NOT on our side.  Oh yes but you said it was in the bag that the State Had to Deal with us, that the Tracks had to cave-in.  Now you say nothing was going to pass in an election year. 

We had a solid chance if we had an united front.  They did need to replace the losses revenues from all the towns dropping out of the Video Gambling.  We had a little leverage.  Now what do we have?

There was plenty of time, Cullerton was not going to call it to the floor regardless of how it was written, so stop your hypothetical nonsense.

 
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« Reply #55 on: July 28, 2010, 11:42:15 PM »

Cullerton wasn't going to call the Bill!!  When was the bill presented???  Why didn't Cullerton call the Bill?  Is Cullerton for the Bill?  Is Quinn going to sign a Gambling Bill as a Lame Duck?

What do they call it when you keep doing the same thing over and over and over again expecting different results?

And you are willing to follow this same successful path we have been on?  Do you think what is going on in New Jersey will help the perception of our industry or hurt it?  We can change drivers on a weekly basis if we think they are hurting our horses chances, but we stick with the same Lobbyists who may have been unsuccessful, but perfectly consistant.   

Oh and how much time do we have this time around.  I remember you backslappers congratulating yourselves when we all agreed to the revised Burn's Bill.  I didn't here you guys saying that the Bill would never be called up, hell we reached agreement with Hours and Days to Spare.

What was the stated reason Cullerton wouldn't call the Bill??
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« Reply #56 on: July 28, 2010, 11:52:59 PM »

Cullerton wasn't going to call the Bill!!  When was the bill presented???  Why didn't Cullerton call the Bill?  Is Cullerton for the Bill?  Is Quinn going to sign a Gambling Bill as a Lame Duck?

What was the stated reason Cullerton wouldn't call the Bill??

Just to brief you , the bill was presented before the May 7th deadline which could have been extended to May 31st if needed , Cullerton was originally not for the bill because other Senators who got him elected are in Riverboat districts and he had pressure not to bring it to the floor.
Hence it was never going there regardless.

After the elections are over and the bill comes back in November it is supposed to be passed
but I have my doubts. It's all politics and the Casinos relentless pursuit to see us fail so we can't collect the 3% that's owed by law. Funny recapture is a law too and the only entities not honoring the laws are the State of Illinois and the casinos Huh   

I'm not going to get into this with you, as you have not been to any of the meetings obviously
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« Reply #57 on: July 29, 2010, 12:23:08 AM »

I got a questionair from all of the candidates that are running for the open positions


Bernie paul and Marty engel look very impressive.....does anybody have a reason why I should not vote for those 2?


Also who else should I vote for?

Engel looks impressive! doh

He is joined at the hip with one of the sport's all time biggest cheaters! bang head  RUCKER! doh
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« Reply #58 on: July 29, 2010, 12:25:39 AM »

Cumonwire:  Why do you always blame the horsemen?  The tracks are never to blame right?  Forget about recapture.   Forget about the terrible splits at the otbs.  According to you the tracks were right for wanting to give the horsemen 10% and the horsemen were wrong for wanting more.  Total hogwash.   Honest Horsemen said it best, " Blame the tracks for dragging their feet."
Also, when are you going to answer the question that this thread is all about.  Who are you endorsing in the election?   Names please.    
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« Reply #59 on: July 29, 2010, 01:12:29 AM »

My vote is for bernie paul
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« Reply #60 on: July 29, 2010, 06:00:32 AM »

The Bill was presented on May 7th.  And they could keep the session going until May 31st.  Cullerton would never bring up the bill.

THE BILL SHOULD HAVE BEEN PRESENTED JANUARY 2ND. 

Great it was all the Tracks fault.  Now I feel better. 

I would not vote for any candidate who did not recognize that our negotiating team made a mistake in that we won the battle but lost the war. 

I would not vote for anyone who doesn't have a realistic understanding of the way things are. 

I would not vote for anyone who would think, screw the management, because that means cutting off our noses to spite our faces. 

I would not vote for anyone who thinks McCaffrey is doing a good job.  And I like Dave and think he is doing the best he can, but we need a change of strategy.

I would not vote for anyone who can't admit we were mistaken in not realizing that we didn't have time to waste.  We are not the Teacher's Union, nobody knows us and nobody cares about us.

The current strategy has us this Friday night racing 110 entries competing for a combined total of $41,000.  I'm for someone anyone who has a Different Strategy. I know some of us are getting our wish, We are starving to death.



 
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« Reply #61 on: July 29, 2010, 07:34:50 AM »

Actually, the reason that Chicago horsemen are racing for $1,800 purses is people like you who would have never opposed recapture and never opposed bad splits at otbs.  That's why the purses are bad.  It was people like you who signed off on those bad deals and look what they've given Chicago racing.  Those mistakes killed racing.  Keep blaming present horsemen.  Good one.  screwy screwy   

Why are you so afraid to name names?  You're dodging the question.  
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« Reply #62 on: July 29, 2010, 08:16:51 AM »

If you want to go back, let's look back how obviously stupid this association has chosen their representatives.

I thought Bill McEnery was a good president of the board, But But But, when he became a casino owner, I could no longer vote for him to be on our board, he had fiduciary responsibilities to his partners with the Riverboat, yet he was reelected.  That's like the Republican party making Obama the chairman of the Republican Party.

That tells you more about the collective wisdom of our association than anything else.  Our narrow vision has led to much of the situation we are in now, much of it of course is beyond our control, but we have missed our best opportunity for help and you still don't recognize it.  

Write-in for Bill McEnery you can't beat experience.



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« Reply #63 on: July 29, 2010, 08:29:33 AM »

Cumonwire:  Why do you always blame the horsemen?  The tracks are never to blame right?  Forget about recapture.   Forget about the terrible splits at the otbs.  According to you the tracks were right for wanting to give the horsemen 10% and the horsemen were wrong for wanting more.  Total hogwash.   Honest Horsemen said it best, " Blame the tracks for dragging their feet."
Also, when are you going to answer the question that this thread is all about.  Who are you endorsing in the election?   Names please.    

kellytuc,

I beg to differ , the track owners are in business to make money, bottom line , with this said the horsemen have to understand and accept this. At present it is my opinion that the
State of Illinois , politicians and the casinos who are to blame for our current mess.
Nobody is obeying the laws that were put into place and the law makers are not making changes or enforcing the laws to correct the problems. It's hard to fight fairly if no one is playing by the rules



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« Reply #64 on: July 29, 2010, 10:20:27 AM »

Now you're back in my era when you mention Bill McEnery.  I have a mixed opinion on him because he was the ihha pres. when the riverboats came in AND he wound up owning one.  It looked kind of bad.  But, he kept up a large operation in Illinois and desrves credit for that.  I was actually talikng about Otb splits and recapture about past mistakes.  But one could argue that letting the boats in to begin with and not getting a piece of them was just as bad.  If so, McEnery made that mistake.    It figures you'd mention a name that isn't even on the ballot.   
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« Reply #65 on: July 29, 2010, 03:29:35 PM »

Now you're back in my era when you mention Bill McEnery.  I have a mixed opinion on him because he was the ihha pres. when the riverboats came in AND he wound up owning one.  It looked kind of bad.  But, he kept up a large operation in Illinois and desrves credit for that.  I was actually talikng about Otb splits and recapture about past mistakes.  But one could argue that letting the boats in to begin with and not getting a piece of them was just as bad.  If so, McEnery made that mistake.    It figures you'd mention a name that isn't even on the ballot.   

he got the otb into the lobby of the empress
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« Reply #66 on: July 29, 2010, 04:27:49 PM »

he got the otb into the lobby of the empress
Haven't been out there in years.  It is still open ?
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« Reply #67 on: July 31, 2010, 08:47:54 PM »

I sent my write in ballot for Bill McEnery today Grin
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« Reply #68 on: August 03, 2010, 08:10:18 PM »

I just received the letter from Bernie Paul , most impressive , seemed to connect with people thumbs up

 horse shoe Good Luck
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« Reply #69 on: August 03, 2010, 08:37:53 PM »

If you want to go back, let's look back how obviously stupid this association has chosen their representatives.

I thought Bill McEnery was a good president of the board, But But But, when he became a casino owner, I could no longer vote for him to be on our board, he had fiduciary responsibilities to his partners with the Riverboat, yet he was reelected.  That's like the Republican party making Obama the chairman of the Republican Party.

That tells you more about the collective wisdom of our association than anything else.  Our narrow vision has led to much of the situation we are in now, much of it of course is beyond our control, but we have missed our best opportunity for help and you still don't recognize it.  

Write-in for Bill McEnery you can't beat experience.




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I am just an old "Hoss" trainer, that has been raced hard and put away wet. 
As my Friend from Maine(Ora Stratton) says "There are horse trainers, and then there are real "Hoss" trainers.
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« Reply #70 on: August 03, 2010, 09:40:46 PM »

Bernie Paul got my vote
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« Reply #71 on: August 06, 2010, 07:36:34 PM »

 thumbs up
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« Reply #72 on: August 10, 2010, 09:51:03 PM »

Did everyone get their votes in , remember " Vote Early and Vote Often!! "


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« Reply #73 on: August 11, 2010, 03:52:16 PM »

i voted on the first day
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