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« Reply #25 on: July 26, 2010, 10:01:10 PM »

I received one also.  If you look at the postage on the envelope, you will see that it was run thru a postage machine.  Which one of these candidates do you think has a postage machine lying around on a desk at their home?  The postmark does show that it was mailed from Crete.  Regardless of where it was mailed from, you know that the Johnstons had to have a hand in this somewhere.
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« Reply #26 on: July 26, 2010, 10:02:48 PM »

To vote for these guys is to vote with management.
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« Reply #27 on: July 26, 2010, 10:11:46 PM »

I feel slighted, I only received a letter from Rita who I like and will vote for.   beer
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« Reply #28 on: July 27, 2010, 05:57:37 AM »

I received one also.  If you look at the postage on the envelope, you will see that it was run thru a postage machine.  Which one of these candidates do you think has a postage machine lying around on a desk at their home?  The postmark does show that it was mailed from Crete.  Regardless of where it was mailed from, you know that the Johnstons had to have a hand in this somewhere.


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« Reply #29 on: July 27, 2010, 06:48:54 AM »

I agree with the Johnston helping these guys theory.  The guys whose names are on the letter either owe the tracks for being allowed to race in Chicago or are open supporters of the tracks.  Tough to be good horsemen reps in that position.   
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« Reply #30 on: July 27, 2010, 07:42:09 AM »

I agree with the Johnston helping these guys theory.  The guys whose names are on the letter either owe the tracks for being allowed to race in Chicago or are open supporters of the tracks.  Tough to be good horsemen reps in that position.   
you hit the nail right on the head.  thumbs up thumbs up
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« Reply #31 on: July 27, 2010, 02:13:59 PM »

if the last year tells us anything it is that the track really wants people on the inside so they can get their agenda through.....if we had Phillips, price, warren and carpenter on the ihha board then we probably been stuck with the original burns bill



use your head people
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« Reply #32 on: July 27, 2010, 03:10:42 PM »

I wish we had the Burn's Bill passed!!!!  What do we have NOW?!!!!
Can't you admit you were wrong about having all the time in the world?!!!
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« Reply #33 on: July 27, 2010, 03:16:41 PM »

I wish we had the Burn's Bill passed!!!!  What do we have NOW?!!!!
Can't you admit you were wrong about having all the time in the world?!!!

Why would ANY Horsemen want the Burns Bill Passed!
The ONLY Ones who would benefit is the TRACK OWNERS!
Just to clarify, NO Gambling Bill was going to be Passed in this past session, the Riverboats would not have Allowed it! head shake
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« Reply #34 on: July 27, 2010, 05:26:41 PM »

Why would ANY Horsemen want the Burns Bill Passed!
The ONLY Ones who would benefit is the TRACK OWNERS!
Just to clarify, NO Gambling Bill was going to be Passed in this past session, the Riverboats would not have Allowed it! head shake

you are correct


it would not of mattered if we agreed to get screwed over by the tracks(which we did not).....the ihha held to their guns and got us as fair of deal as possible...............john and duncan price remember held a meeting to try and convince the horsemen that the original burns bill was a good deal and they had the johnston's present

that is a fact and we all know that if that bill passed we would be racing for less than we are now in 5 years and live racing would be completely dead




don't vote in any of those management guys

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« Reply #35 on: July 27, 2010, 05:35:33 PM »

I wish we had the Burn's Bill passed!!!!  What do we have NOW?!!!!
Can't you admit you were wrong about having all the time in the world?!!!

As Kingofpain so accurately stated, NO bill would have been called, not even the Burns bill favoring the tracks. Learn from the other state's mistakes, cumonwire. We can't let a bad bill pass!!! AND WE WON'T!!!!

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« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2010, 06:57:26 PM »

As Kingofpain so accurately stated, NO bill would have been called, not even the Burns bill favoring the tracks. Learn from the other state's mistakes, cumonwire. We can't let a bad bill pass!!! AND WE WON'T!!!!


O and S what I forsee as the major stumbling block going forward is that our ELECTED  bang head OFFICIALS just don't consider racing that important. Very low on there lists of things to do or should I say not to do.  We are 8-9 billion in the hole.   They haven't done anything about that.  Don't forsee them doing anything. But what do I know, I have always voted for the loser of most political elections.
I wish you all the best of luck.  I think you are going to need all you can get.
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« Reply #37 on: July 27, 2010, 08:56:18 PM »

No Bill Was Going to Pass?Huh?  That is not what the Lobbyists told Us, you Fools fell for their BS hook line and sinker.   We got Nothing.   How great is the Burn's Bill your great Lobbyists are touting now???   You fools never got it and you obviously don't get it now.  There was a slim chance for a bill, if we had a coordinated effort, back in JANUARY!!!  But praise be we foiled the Track Management!!! Hurray for our side!!!  Yeah we stuck by our guns and we have nothing.  Your foolishness is what encouraged the Casinos to pony-up for the Des Plaines Casino.

You guys are so smart you got 100% of nothing, but at least the tracks didn't get theirs.  Your foolishness NOT THE TRACKS, your Foolishness has made Illinois the place for Casinos at the expense of horse racing.

You guys told us that it was in the bag.   You fools thought we would be racing for $20,000.00 Purses
Don't you recognize the Signs of the Times. 
Keep working in the Best Interests of the Casinos.
The irony is you Think you are Horsemen, And you keep Backing the Wrong Horse!!!
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« Reply #38 on: July 27, 2010, 09:27:48 PM »

No Bill Was Going to Pass?Huh?  That is not what the Lobbyists told Us, you Fools fell for their BS hook line and sinker.   We got Nothing.   How great is the Burn's Bill your great Lobbyists are touting now???   You fools never got it and you obviously don't get it now.  There was a slim chance for a bill, if we had a coordinated effort, back in JANUARY!!!  But praise be we foiled the Track Management!!! Hurray for our side!!!  Yeah we stuck by our guns and we have nothing.  Your foolishness is what encouraged the Casinos to pony-up for the Des Plaines Casino.

You guys are so smart you got 100% of nothing, but at least the tracks didn't get theirs.  Your foolishness NOT THE TRACKS, your Foolishness has made Illinois the place for Casinos at the expense of horse racing.

You guys told us that it was in the bag.   You fools thought we would be racing for $20,000.00 Purses
Don't you recognize the Signs of the Times. 
Keep working in the Best Interests of the Casinos.
The irony is you Think you are Horsemen, And you keep Backing the Wrong Horse!!!

so you think that if we all would of jumped and supported the first bill it would of been passed?
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« Reply #39 on: July 27, 2010, 09:47:52 PM »

I do.  And I also realize that Slots are only a temporary solution.  I know that Harness Racing has to Earn its own keep.  I know that radical changes are going to be needed to increase the ownership in the Sport.

One informed side told us screw the Tracks. 

Another informed side said, we don't have the luxury of time.  Be Honest Honest what you said has not turned out to have been true, while the Price's warned everybody that we were jeopardizing any chance of passing any Bill. 

You must grant the obvious fact that they were correct.

Honestly Honest, don't you think the odds of passing the Burn's Bill were better if everyone pushed it in January verses the hot week you all scrambled with your calls and emails.

And what do you make the odds of the Burn's Bill Passing Now??
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2010, 10:01:47 PM »

I do.  And I also realize that Slots are only a temporary solution.  I know that Harness Racing has to Earn its own keep.  I know that radical changes are going to be needed to increase the ownership in the Sport.

One informed side told us screw the Tracks. 

Another informed side said, we don't have the luxury of time.  Be Honest Honest what you said has not turned out to have been true, while the Price's warned everybody that we were jeopardizing any chance of passing any Bill. 

You must grant the obvious fact that they were correct.

Honestly Honest, don't you think the odds of passing the Burn's Bill were better if everyone pushed it in January verses the hot week you all scrambled with your calls and emails.

And what do you make the odds of the Burn's Bill Passing Now??

madigan and cullerton were not going to call the bill either way

if we would of listened to the price's and went along with the tracks and the bill would of somehow snuck through then in 5 years we would be racing for less than we are now and the tracks will be making many many millions


live racing would be done

the horseman's piece of the pie was so small and we would not of been able to absorb the increases in the state takeout on a even basis with the tracks


no deal was better than that deal

at least now we have a chance
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« Reply #41 on: July 27, 2010, 10:07:16 PM »

A chance yes...A slim one at best.  But better than no chance.
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« Reply #42 on: July 27, 2010, 10:18:43 PM »

Who told you we have a chance?Huh  The Same bright people who told you we were going to get OUR Bill Passed!!  Your GREED and Stubborness is what allowed the Casinos to rally their Lobbyists.  

Didn't you Know that Timing was important.

And just where do you Think Harness Racing is going to be run in Illinois in Five Years?

No Deal is Better Than a Bad Deal!!!  Really?? Really???  

Voters ask yourself this when you vote, would you rather Race for a Purse of $4,000.00 or a Purse of $1,900.00?  Because the current Board has got you $1,900 Purses with the Death of Racing right around the corner.  



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« Reply #43 on: July 27, 2010, 10:30:36 PM »

I have two questions for Cumonwire.  1) if the Burns Bill (which as I remember it was terribly skewed in favor of the racetracks) had a chance then the tracks would be furious at the ihha for killing it's potential passage, then why don't we see the usual ihha bashing on the back of overnights?  Remember the Morgan days?  The johnstons couldn't wait until they could write negative things about him.   And what did I see from the Johnstons after the last session ended?  A letter written by the itha and the ihha pres explaining why the bill didn't pass (election year politics).  Do you really think the johnstons would have printed that if those guys were responsible for the Johnstons losing millions in an unfair slots bill?  If you do, then youre the dumbest one on here.  
Question #2 - who do you endorse in this election?  It seems to be a fair question since that's the topic of this thread.  I think your answer will tell us all we need to know about you.  Don't lie now.  
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« Reply #44 on: July 28, 2010, 05:29:55 AM »

Skewed to the Race Tracks.  If in the event that the State Taxes were to change, we would have to share in equal percentage with the Track.  You FOOLS, you were so worried about something that wasn't likely to happen anytime soon, if ever.  Have any of you folks heard "half a loaf is better that no loaf at all". 

Our Board didn't see the Larger Picture.  And it was Obvious.  The train was rolling and we were left in the depot fighting over sitting assignments. 

You didn't get it then and you don't get it now, Racing has to pay its own way.  Slot money was going to be only a temporary help.  We have to rebuild a fan base because there is only a few score harness fans in the State.  So we better rebuild the base of horse owners by making ownership exciting and rewarding, this will take radical ideas.  It is the owners that will build the fan base.

I endorse the candidates that recognize that what has been tried has failed.  Because what has been tried has Failed.  Because if we stay on the course we are on we are going to vote ourselves right out of business.

Desperate Times call for ....(now there's two names for race horses)

And what you stated about the Track Management, reread what you wrote, because a fair person reading your post may conclude that the Track Management acted honorably towards an honorable person like Dave McC. 


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« Reply #45 on: July 28, 2010, 06:03:16 AM »

Skewed to the Race Tracks.  If in the event that the State Taxes were to change, we would have to share in equal percentage with the Track.  You FOOLS, you were so worried about something that wasn't likely to happen anytime soon, if ever.  Have any of you folks heard "half a loaf is better that no loaf at all". 

Our Board didn't see the Larger Picture.  And it was Obvious.  The train was rolling and we were left in the depot fighting over sitting assignments. 

You didn't get it then and you don't get it now, Racing has to pay its own way.  Slot money was going to be only a temporary help.  We have to rebuild a fan base because there is only a few score harness fans in the State.  So we better rebuild the base of horse owners by making ownership exciting and rewarding, this will take radical ideas.  It is the owners that will build the fan base.

I endorse the candidates that recognize that what has been tried has failed.  Because what has been tried has Failed.  Because if we stay on the course we are on we are going to vote ourselves right out of business.

Desperate Times call for ....(now there's two names for race horses)

And what you stated about the Track Management, reread what you wrote, because a fair person reading your post may conclude that the Track Management acted honorably towards an honorable person like Dave McC. 






the ihha board should not be filled with track employees like John price

it also should not be filled with drivers that are company guys and all they care about is the 25 bucks a drive
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« Reply #46 on: July 28, 2010, 07:31:06 AM »

And what specific names fall under that category?  Please
tell us specifically who you are endorsing. 
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« Reply #47 on: July 28, 2010, 07:38:27 AM »

Once the November elections are over (within a week after) the newly proposed 1 1/2% State of Illinois Income Tax hike will be approved by both House and Senate, and the gaming bills willnever be heard agin. You heard it hear, so be prepared !
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« Reply #48 on: July 28, 2010, 09:03:12 AM »

Once the November elections are over (within a week after) the newly proposed 1 1/2% State of Illinois Income Tax hike will be approved by both House and Senate, and the gaming bills willnever be heard agin. You heard it hear, so be prepared !
I think you're right on the tax hike. But, the Capital Building Plan still needs funding. I don't think a tax hike will be enough to cover that - was supposed to be funded by the video poker in bars that is failing miserably.

I think we've got a shot.
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« Reply #49 on: July 28, 2010, 12:54:05 PM »

Cumonwire:

Johnnie Johnston posted a bunch of crap on the back of the overnights stating that we would be racing for so much money each week! Yet when Dave McCaffrey gave him a written agreement which stated that the horsemen would go along with his proposal as long as we had a signed contract guaranteeing the money that he was saying the horsemen's purse account would get he refused to sign it!
So come up with somemore BullS**t! As far as running for more money right now No gambling Bill was going to pass in an election year but in your mind you believe what you want or should I say what Johnnie tells you. You may be on his payroll but the rest of us who are still around aren't and don't want to be!
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