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Author Topic: Saunders on Jamieson's Drive  (Read 2261 times)
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2010, 08:08:03 AM »

If Saunders was sooo upset that he got parked to the quarter, he could have nipped the situation in the bud and chose the rail, not the 3 hole.

JJ had little control of that horse in the 1st quarter, give me a break saunders. too much whining in this sport

C'Mon TK I used to be able to count on you as one of like 3 people that had a clue on here......You really think Jody drove good? Gave HIS horse the best chance he could to get money......Believe it or not thats what he is paid to do.....Sometimes its right not to try to win.......Like when you can pick up 120k for finishing 3rd.......If JJ (as you call him) can't hold a horse in 25 seconds......Maybe he should hit the weight room......I didnt think you were one of these people who could be fooled by the ol Im choking my horse in 25 seconds move.....And choose the 1 hole?......come on....Weren't you one of my allies in burying Brandon Simpson for still the most ridiculous drive ever in that 300k race at Yonkers?.....and he was only 12-1 and not even parking the favorite......A little consistency please
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2010, 08:31:33 AM »

I never said JJ drove good, I call him that to save time typing..go back through my posts, TT, GB, BS, horses FA, SG, everyone knows who im speaking of.

After watching the replay again, I see the same thing, JJ trying to get the horse to settle down and he couldnt. Its very clear to me he was not trying to go 25 to the quarter, sting the favorite, then head-butt JC down the entire backside. If want to say JJ is not physically strong enough to handle the horse, maybe you are right, however, was that plan intentional? no friggin way

as far as the 1 hole comment, ill explain again..i think the rail at the meds is a terrible, terrible post. However, the point is that Saunders had the chance to insure he was not getting parked in he first quarter and take the rail, did he not? they thought the 3 hole was the absolute best post and as it turns out, it was not. who is to blame for picking the 3 hole? saunders had nothing to do with that? When they saw Kyle Major drew the 1, why not revise your strategy thinking this horse may leave like a rocket..again? is it because you just thought he wouldnt leave hard, again, because you have the favorite and you are leaving? doesnt work like that. its not your fault you left knowing how much speed KM has inside of you?

its just sickening that hes *** to a reporter now and to JJ after the race. so unprofessional

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« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2010, 09:05:40 AM »

i dint know why everybody is putting this on jody when it was shawn robinson  who changed his gear around. new driving bit and overcheck bit. the trainer made a change he thought would help. it didn't. its not all on jody. he was just a passenger. some of you on here think you can shut these horses off and on like a light switch. not true. get one fired up and try to get him backed off, you will find its easier said then done.
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« Reply #28 on: July 21, 2010, 09:13:03 AM »

A long time ago (50 years)  a driver told me  " more races are lost in the first 1/4 than in the last"..   Guess it is still true today Huh?

Had that been a 5-1 or greater sitting on the outside, none of this would be written... OR...Campbell parking JJ.......
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« Reply #29 on: July 21, 2010, 09:16:21 AM »

Like Race Track Phil points out...didn't Campbell and connections say before the race "They're gonna have to catch me??".....Turns out the headstrong horse that drew the rail who JJ drove to secure a pocket and couldn't get to settle cost Campbell and Saunders and RRH the race....Driving strategy is a huge factor in every race and Campbell's strategy turned out to be the wrong one....it's part of racing !  I also wonder if Campbell would have used him just a tad less in his eliminator, if he might have had just a bit more left in him in the final???  Anyhow....great thread...enjoyable to hear some knowledgeable fans' opinions on a great race....Joe B
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« Reply #30 on: July 21, 2010, 10:12:09 AM »

The rail at the Meadowlands is only a death trap if you're going to take a shuffle. If Saunders and Campbell had a plan to go hell bent out of there all along, they probably should have taken the one hole. It's not like anyone had the speed to get around him from there.
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« Reply #31 on: July 21, 2010, 12:29:05 PM »

   Didn't Brian Sears and muscle hill win the HAMBO by wiring them from the rail? Jody DID make a comment BEFORE the race about going to go hard [or something like that] out of there. Thats probably why Bruce is pissed he probably heard jody say it.
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« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2010, 12:49:21 PM »

Like Race Track Phil points out...didn't Campbell and connections say before the race "They're gonna have to catch me??".....Turns out the headstrong horse that drew the rail who JJ drove to secure a pocket and couldn't get to settle cost Campbell and Saunders and RRH the race....Driving strategy is a huge factor in every race and Campbell's strategy turned out to be the wrong one....it's part of racing !  I also wonder if Campbell would have used him just a tad less in his eliminator, if he might have had just a bit more left in him in the final???  Anyhow....great thread...enjoyable to hear some knowledgeable fans' opinions on a great race....Joe B

         Joe B        I have to correct you , I said Jody was interviewed saying they will have to catch me , and maybe Campbell & Saunders missed the interview

                                                RTP

           Its just racing and funny things happen !
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« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2010, 07:44:31 PM »

On the "In The Sulky" segment from M1 tonite prior to the races, both Tim Tetrick and Sam McKee agreed that Jamieson was unable to control Kyle Major in the race; couldn't get the horse to yield to Campbell and once Campbell, finally, cleared, Kyle Major damn near ran up the back of Campbell, Jamieson fighting him all the way. I'm not a Jamieson fan, far from it, but I'll accept the opinions of Tetrick and McKee.
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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2010, 07:53:05 PM »

DOES ANYONE REMEMBER DALI AND JODY LAST YEAR HERE?   SAME STORY JODY COULD NOT WRESTLE THEM DOWN AND WOULD GO ABSURD 1ST QUARTERS AND TIRE QUICKLY.   DOES DISTANCE FROM THE NORTH POLE DEPICT SPEED?

MAYBE ITS THE JUICE...AFTERALL IS WAS ROBINSON.
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2010, 10:31:27 PM »

Hey All,

Ray Scnittker selected the rail for Deweycheatumnhowse. Brian Sears/Greg Peck         selected thwe rail for Muscle Hill. Both were the best-in-breed for the Hambo. Anjd guess what, they werer right!

Bruce is a goood trainer and a good guy. However, he should look in  the mirror before pointing fingers. If he thought he was the best, why did he pick #3.

JJ did was he was paid to do; take advantage of the rail position. He had nothing against Campbell or his horse. He drove him like he had to.
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« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2010, 01:23:08 PM »

         Joe B        I have to correct you , I said Jody was interviewed saying they will have to catch me , and maybe Campbell & Saunders missed the interview

                                                RTP

           Its just racing and funny things happen !

If JJ said in an interview he was going down the highway and wanted the lead in here then he is a lot dumber than I thought....RTP thanks for the info....Joe B
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« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2010, 01:29:38 PM »

  Wouldn't be unusual for a driver to state that hoping to make the others think twice about leaving.  Happens all the time.  If it works, great;  if not you adapt accordingly.
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« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2010, 03:17:14 PM »

Picking post 3 was not taking into consideration the nature of how harness racing has changed at M since 1976. Back in the day, you needed to conserve some horse and kick home. Now, these races are effectively 3 furlong sprints, horses of this calibre dont get tired. The reason a trainer would NOT have selected post 1 back in the day is because he doesn't want to have to 'park the field' the entire mile. Now, these horses are so good at this level, he could have turned the stick over on the field and still won. Campbell's horse got used as hard as any horse in the history of this race has been used and still almost won. If he had post 1 and was used just as hard to park the field, he wins easy because of the ground he saved on turn 1. The race was lost when post 3 was selected, that was at 125k error.
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« Reply #39 on: July 26, 2010, 12:30:34 PM »

If his horse was as good as he says he would not break or curl up like he did in the pace.  I know Kyle major was 50-1 but read a program he blasts every week.  After the first race Jameison said he was blasting.  See what happens when you get outside drivers in races there are no holes. 
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« Reply #40 on: July 27, 2010, 03:00:38 AM »

   Didn't Brian Sears and muscle hill win the HAMBO by wiring them from the rail? Jody DID make a comment BEFORE the race about going to go hard [or something like that] out of there. Thats probably why Bruce is pissed he probably heard jody say it.

Muscle Hill is a trotter. I think the rail is more valuable for trotters.
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