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« on: July 15, 2010, 09:22:06 AM »

Are these blinkers under a gauze hood?  Does it always go under the bridle? Is all the fuzzy/scrunchy for looks or comfort?  Why full ear covers, how does that compare to plugs?

This is Fox Valley Click winning last night:

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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2010, 01:49:32 PM »

The picture is cut off on my view, but that "gauze" is a screen...depending on how much cover you need, you can get them light colored or black. It's basically a fly screen, same material and closures. It obscures their vision and helps a hot or nervous horse. I always put them under the race halter and bridle to keep them in place.

The full ear hoods can be used alone or with cone inserts. They offer more sound elimination.

The "fuzzies" can just be for style or to prevent rubs from the buxton on a thin skinned animal.
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« Reply #2 on: July 16, 2010, 11:34:48 PM »

 It also looks like pen stripes on a f laughing guy
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« Reply #3 on: July 23, 2010, 09:30:49 PM »

The fly screen can also be used on a horse that doesn't like dirt hitting them in the face.

The horse is trained by Joel Smith, and most of his have red fuzzies on the breast collar. All those fuzzies make for a lot of extra work.

The filly shows making a lot of breaks leaving the gate, so I would guess the fly screen and ears are to calm her down behind the gate. Using a hood with ears you can really block out the noise. Stuff the ears with cotton, then the rubber cones over the ears , and hold it all in place with the hood.

After a few starts you may see her racing with pull out ear plugs. Keep her calm early, but then pull the plugs late in the mile to get her back fired up to finish.
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« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2010, 06:08:44 AM »

I can't see her mouth on my screen, but I'd guess a mini bit would be a great possibility on this type of horse as well. Maybe even a tack noseband to go with that tie down.

She is certainly wearing lots of "stuff"....but Looking is right, once she starts consistently staying flat and settling down, it should come off....like a kid going from a tricycle, then training wheels and finally a plain old bicycle.

 
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2010, 09:11:35 AM »

  I'm not criticising or trying to tell anyone how to rig their horses but I find it curious that no one seems to use harsher check bits anymore.  I see all this equipment meant to control a hot horse... and then there will be a chin strap or plain check.  I like to open them up so they can see and hear, but have that check bit for control.
   My favorite rigging, because of my lack of strength, was always a 4 ring with a crit davis.  If my horse grabbed on, I had the help of the 4 ring leverage, and when my horse gave to me, I could give back and they'ld be rewarded by being able to could get their heads down and relax.  Also a big fan of the double bar crabbe (sans 4-ring).  I felt I could let them go with a more comfortable lower head, but yet restrict them from hogging down and choking if they grabbed on.  Good tools for teaching a horse to give and respond to your hands.  Of course, you'ld have to have light hands for these bits to be most effective.
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« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2010, 11:33:00 AM »

One of our pacing mares came rigged to the gills, but no wins. After trashing all the all the extra "stuff" and adding a 4 ring, she went on to win 18 heats in one year...with an amateur driver.
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2010, 11:18:20 AM »

Trotters are funny, you have to make them comfortable. Also Joel Smith is a great trainer and does very well for himself!
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2010, 07:28:53 PM »

for the most part harsh bits are and should be a thing of the past.ive had horses for over 20 yrs and i can count on one hand a horse that a harsh has helped.they most always make them worse.
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« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2010, 07:49:57 PM »

I hate harsh bits. I have taken tons of equipment off of horses over the years and it has paid handsome dividends for me. Nevertheless, I have a wonderful horse that I can't hold.  I put a dog chain on him and he is jogging like a gentleman.  I trained him two trips in thirty evenl rated last week and I have high hopes.   Before the dog chain.I couldn't jog him in thirty.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2010, 06:44:20 AM »

I have a trotter who came to use with a warning, don't jog withouta chain...his jaw has even been fractured from what I suspect was a steering bar.

Anyway, I wheeled him until his mouth healed and worked on his manners on the ground. Now he goes in a latex wrapped rubber snaffle and plain latex wrapped overcheck.

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« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2010, 02:58:20 PM »

  A bit is only as harsh as the hands using it.  A heavy handed person should not be sitting behind a horse, period.  Give and take.  When a horse gives to you, you give back.  Sit by any track and watch the horses going by.  Watch how many people jog with a death grip tug of war going on.  Lead hands.

  BFF aint that groundwork something?  Especially the lateral flexion.  How come almost every person who rides knows it, but barely anyone in the harness business?

  Give me any horse that's a runaway bad puller and I guarantee in 1 month I'll be jogging that horse no headcheck snaffle bit no problem.
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« Reply #12 on: July 28, 2010, 04:19:59 PM »

  A bit is only as harsh as the hands using it.  A heavy handed person should not be sitting behind a horse, period.  Give and take.  When a horse gives to you, you give back.  Sit by any track and watch the horses going by.  Watch how many people jog with a death grip tug of war going on.  Lead hands.

  BFF aint that groundwork something?  Especially the lateral flexion.  How come almost every person who rides knows it, but barely anyone in the harness business?

  Give me any horse that's a runaway bad puller and I guarantee in 1 month I'll be jogging that horse no headcheck snaffle bit no problem.
ogm weve had our disagreements but that comment about harsh bits is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.if someone feels the need to put a double wire on a horse that horse is probably pulling said persons guts out.what do you think you put it in and the horse is instantly not gonna grab.thats a stupid statement.im sorry.the hope is and the reason these bits are used are that we hope they will respect the harshness of the bit and settle down a bit.to say a light handed person can jog a horse with a harsh bit and the horse not resent it makes me wonder about your knowledge.
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« Reply #13 on: July 28, 2010, 08:35:59 PM »

hey be honest here,,the reason for the complete blindfold on the winning horse was so he wouldn,t know the stands were empty on his winning performace night,what a shame
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« Reply #14 on: July 29, 2010, 09:55:47 AM »

ogm weve had our disagreements but that comment about harsh bits is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.if someone feels the need to put a double wire on a horse that horse is probably pulling said persons guts out.what do you think you put it in and the horse is instantly not gonna grab.thats a stupid statement.im sorry.the hope is and the reason these bits are used are that we hope they will respect the harshness of the bit and settle down a bit.to say a light handed person can jog a horse with a harsh bit and the horse not resent it makes me wonder about your knowledge.

The dumbest thing I've read is that you think the process of give and take works in an instant and that you think a horse that needs to progress to a harasher bit once the damage is done because his mouth has become calloused to the easier one used with a heavy hand won't also develope a tolerence to the hrsher on if you hang on it. Horses think their best option is to run away from pain or discomfot until and unless they are taught differently.   That's why their response to hitting their hip on a doorframe is to run through the door, not to be more careful not to hit their hip next time.
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« Reply #15 on: July 29, 2010, 11:46:48 AM »

If we are still talking about the horse in the picture, he is wearing a plain snaffle and a straight over check. the mask  is to keep the horse from worrying about the stuff that's around him.
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« Reply #16 on: July 29, 2010, 01:08:51 PM »

ogm weve had our disagreements but that comment about harsh bits is the dumbest thing ive ever heard.if someone feels the need to put a double wire on a horse that horse is probably pulling said persons guts out.what do you think you put it in and the horse is instantly not gonna grab.thats a stupid statement.im sorry.the hope is and the reason these bits are used are that we hope they will respect the harshness of the bit and settle down a bit.to say a light handed person can jog a horse with a harsh bit and the horse not resent it makes me wonder about your knowledge.

 As usual you either intentionally or out of stupidity totally misunderstood what I said.  What else is new? 
  Yes, a harsher bit in the hands of a light handed person can be a great tool.  In the hands of a lead-handed person (and by your inability to understand what I said, it's obvious you're one of those) it could make a horse flip over backwards.
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« Reply #17 on: July 29, 2010, 01:35:02 PM »

I've got one in leather hobbles...even had to send them for stitching once done oiling them for days.

Another trainer sent us a maiden filly. In short, she wanted to kill anyone that came near her, and forget clipping or shoeing. Her mouth had open wounds from being jogged with a snake bit daily, she would run over you, rear up and flip over backwards when you went to unhook her, and throw herself down in the paddock stall.

That was 6 weeks ago. I started the ground work at kindergarten level...halting in hand, backing, standing with just voice, body language and a pole cord. Then went to free work in the arena and ground driving. Lots of praise, consistent correcting and lots of lateral work.

I clipped her Monday, with a lead line over her neck, no restraints, she dropped her head with thumb pressure to her pole and stood.

Time for shoes....pole cord for pressure in case of resistance, but not needed...all four hooves shod 40 minutes and no battle. One happy blacksmith, still sore from the first shoeing, but filled with glee over our "new" filly.

Yesterday I paddocked her alone with two bad actors on either side, kicking the walls and carrying on. She stood like a stone horse, giving me room, not slamming me into the walls, screaming and peeing all over. Warmed up open, no plugs, just a smooth mini in case. When she came off the track see pulled up and stood to be unhooked with one WHOA.

I like groundwork, I do believe dressage training benefits ALL horses...from your show hunter, reiner and trotter or pacer. I see the benefits in my horse's minds, manners and fitness...just never call me a DQ!!! Haha...rider joke.



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« Reply #18 on: July 29, 2010, 01:55:28 PM »

In the hands of a lead-handed person (and by your inability to understand what I said, it's obvious you're one of those)

lead head = lead hands?
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« Reply #19 on: July 29, 2010, 06:43:52 PM »

People who point fingers should remmember that when you point a finger you have three pointing back at you.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2010, 03:43:08 AM »

People who point fingers should remmember that when you point a finger you have three pointing back at you.

  In reading Samstar's posts, sounds like he has light hands.  Able to take equipment off and go easy.  Also able to use a dog chain with good results.  (Dog chains, wow, now there's a piece of equipment that definitely does not belong in the wrong hands.) 
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2010, 08:24:20 AM »

OGM, by reading all your comments, it seem you think you know everything. You are always putting others down. Do you train stbs? would love to see you stats(because you must be at the top of the trainers list in your state)What great horses did you have? If I didn't know better I would think you are Casie Coleman. But Casie wouldn't say alot of the  stupid things you have. Also the comments you make about harness horseman is just plain ignorant.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2010, 12:03:43 PM »

Why not just PM her instead of posting something to derail the thread?
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2010, 03:37:45 PM »

paul its just what she does.now she can tell by the way someone types whether they have soft hands or not.watch out casie coleman.
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2010, 03:52:08 PM »

  Maybe you should try a gag bit on yourself.    nyah
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« Reply #25 on: July 31, 2010, 07:17:31 PM »

Third training session with the dog chain today.  Jogged like a pro, did not take a hold.  Went a trip in 28 even.  Took a little hold in the last turn, but responded to a little pressure and he backed off.  Boy is he light on his feet.  Like floating on air.  If I can keep him under control, I can keep him sound and if I can keep him sound, invtie here we come.
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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2010, 06:57:17 PM »

Walks a quarter of a mile before we jog two miles at a 5 clip.  Turns to train, 5- 35 quarters and let him stretch out a last quarter in 29,
Gets his first start back at the Indiana Pa fair on Wednesday.  I hope he continues to mind his manners.  I get to drive him a couple of heats before I turn him over to the pros.
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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2010, 08:09:13 PM »

  Great to hear... and people should take note, it took what? a month? Amazing what a little patience and common sense can accomplish.  Good luck at the fairs.   thumbs up
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« Reply #28 on: September 01, 2010, 04:23:25 PM »

Raced today. Won in 201 2 in hand on the engine with a 28/2 second quarter.  Didnt take hold until he hit the gate.  Racing again at Canfield to get a little rust off and some dollars off also.
We wore the dog chain, it was a flip of the coin, but, it seems to work well and not bother him at all. Wheel got stepped on going to the eight pole and he raced the last 7/8ths with a tire flapping in the wind and a wheel slowly disintegrating.  I kept looking at the wheel to see if it was going to collapse but it didn't.
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« Reply #29 on: September 04, 2010, 04:39:40 PM »

Won at Canfield out of a hole in 200 2/5.  Perfect gentleman with the dog chain.  I am tempted to train him without it next time but he won't get trained this week.  Two races in 4 days is enough to tighten him up.  Off to the Open at Northfield for a final tightener before the Meadows.
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« Reply #30 on: September 05, 2010, 02:42:10 AM »

Won at Canfield out of a hole in 200 2/5.  Perfect gentleman with the dog chain.  I am tempted to train him without it next time but he won't get trained this week.  Two races in 4 days is enough to tighten him up.  Off to the Open at Northfield for a final tightener before the Meadows.

Here is TWO HOOFS UP for your success and continued good luck to you!

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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2010, 05:32:29 PM »

Raced without the dog chain last week.  Was perfect.  Palone gets to win with him tommorrow.
Will go again without the dog chain. 
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« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2010, 04:43:47 PM »

  Great news.  Goes to show it's not the equipment but the person using it. The harshest rigging can be the best tool in the correct hands. The simplest rigging can ruin a horse in the wrong hands.

  I have a horse I ride with a mechanical hackamore. I can ride with a loose rein.  With a bit, he's uncontrollable out on the trail. Runs away in a snaffle, rears with a shank. (And yes, he has his teeth done on regular basis by Pete Malone) Even doing all the groundwork, and one-rein stops he still fights the bit. Some heavy handed person obviously ripped his mouth off.  I took more grief on an internet forum when I first asked about the hackamore, but it saved this horse from going back to the auction.
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« Reply #33 on: January 30, 2011, 08:52:23 PM »

  Wonder what happened in the Samstar saga?Huh?
  (FYI folks, OldGreyMare may not be your cup of tea, but I myself have worked with HOF horsemen who use most all of her remedies, and subscribe to her methods/mentality regarding groundwork and horse rigging and care. Second trained for a few of these guys, including Ned Bower, Delvin Miller, and both Simpsons.  She would be a welcome addition to ANY of these sheds, any era......
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« Reply #34 on: January 30, 2011, 09:20:54 PM »

  Wonder what happened in the Samstar saga?Huh?
  (FYI folks, OldGreyMare may not be your cup of tea, but I myself have worked with HOF horsemen who use most all of her remedies, and subscribe to her methods/mentality regarding groundwork and horse rigging and care. Second trained for a few of these guys, including Ned Bower, Delvin Miller, and both Simpsons.  She would be a welcome addition to ANY of these sheds, any era......
Delvin Miller , Ned Bower man you got to be old as dirt.
Both Simpsons to you mean John Sr. and Jr. or Jimmy?
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« Reply #35 on: January 31, 2011, 06:55:26 AM »

  Winter of 86/87 I was at Ben White working for Jim DeSpain. Ned Bower was on the backside of us. Springtime rolled around and Ned offered me a job. For better or worse (I'll never know) I stuck with Jim.
  Since all my decisions have led to 1. having the son I have now and 2. having the life I have now... I have to figure I made the right decisions.

  I also worked for John Patterson, Sr. who sent me to the Meds for the summer with a couple on my own while he stayed in Lexington.
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« Reply #36 on: January 31, 2011, 03:09:21 PM »

Delvin Miller , Ned Bower man you got to be old as dirt.
Both Simpsons to you mean John Sr. and Jr. or Jimmy?
  Sr/Jr.......Jimmy was college boy at the time.  Sugarcane Hanover sure made him look good as time went by however......
   Old?  Can still go a mile when properly warmed up......
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 Sr/Jr.......Jimmy was college boy at the time.  Sugarcane Hanover sure made him look good as time went by however......
   Old?  Can still go a mile when properly warmed up......
Lets see. If John Sr. was still alive he would be 92 today.
He retired from training fairly young because of his eyesight.
He was maybe still training 40 years ago. To be training for him you were maybe in your thirties.  So I will guess you are 72 years young.
That still sounds young to me.

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What was the name of the parrot?
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« Reply #38 on: January 31, 2011, 05:40:41 PM »

Lets see. If John Sr. was still alive he would be 92 today.
He retired from training fairly young because of his eyesight.
He was maybe still training 40 years ago. To be training for him you were maybe in your thirties.  So I will guess you are 72 years young.
That still sounds young to me.

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What was the name of the parriot?

  Jimmy took over in the early 80s.  Skeet came out of the stall to chauffeur him around in the Rolls.  Russell Williams (who rubbed Hazel Hanover among others) came out of the stall to help run the shed by committee as it were at the time.  Pat Fitzsimmons, Jim Moody, helped out as well.  Charley Coleman (Ayers, and to many others to recall) looked after the parrot whos name escapes me at this time.  I do recall the goat...LuLuBelle   Charley would hoist him up to the top of the barn in the mornings with a PVC pole, and he would sit there and holler "Whoa colt!" sprinkled in with a few profanities that caught the ear of KD Owens, Charlotte Sheppard, and John Gaines on occasion.
  I was down at Sorrento Oaks, that John built and sold to Pinske, the year he passed-I think it was 95.  Delvin was stabled there as well, and passed the next year I recall (might be a year off on that one...so many memories...lol)
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« Reply #39 on: January 31, 2011, 08:31:39 PM »

Good Stories and memories Buggyboy.

Late 60's I am traveling with a stakes colt for one of the HOF trainers you posted of.  Keep in mind I am a Country educated mid west WHITE farm boy.  I am put on a 9 horse Brooke Ledge truck with a truck full of Simpson horses and grooms. Needless to say this white boy looked a little out of place, if you know what I mean.
A good experience and a lasting memory.
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« Reply #40 on: January 31, 2011, 09:32:10 PM »

Good Stories and memories Buggyboy.

Late 60's I am traveling with a stakes colt for one of the HOF trainers you posted of.  Keep in mind I am a Country educated mid west WHITE farm boy.  I am put on a 9 horse Brooke Ledge truck with a truck full of Simpson horses and grooms. Needless to say this white boy looked a little out of place, if you know what I mean.
A good experience and a lasting memory.

  Myself and Pat were the only white guys, along with a groom who rubbed a nice Stars Pride colt named August Pride.  The shed remained segregated as such all the way to the end, when I believe Bob Roberts was helping Jimmy. (Seldom ever saw Jimmy in the shed by the way...he depended on eyes and ears, usually Charlie, to pass along info on the stock and daily goings on.  In all fairness, despite the widespread boozing in the shed, starting around 9:00 AM every morning, the help were very capable caretakers, and could read a horse as good as any...some of the best grooms I ever worked with).
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« Reply #41 on: February 01, 2011, 06:22:01 AM »

  When I worked for DeSpain he took on an old fella went by name Red Dog. Have no clue what his real name was. You guys probably know.

  I was second-training so I got to sit behind every horse in the stable. Red Dog took care of only 2 horses and his 2 were always totally sound. Jim would rotate horses into his care and the colt that formerly had a hitch would become sound, and the colt taken out of his care would deteriorate. Red Dog would walk up to the track to watch his horses train, he never sat behind them...(I'm sure he did when he was younger, but he was pretty old at this time.) There was no vet work or injecting involved.  Really taught me the importance of good old-fashioned rubbing.
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« Reply #42 on: February 01, 2011, 07:08:07 AM »

The Red Dog I know just drinks beer! hahaha...I'm sure many are aware of who I am talking about.
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« Reply #43 on: February 01, 2011, 03:51:28 PM »

  Was this Red Dog a short guy?  If so, we knew him as Red Ryan.  He loved his booze, but was like so many others of days gone by, an excellent caretaker. Never saw him sober...lol. His poison was Imperial as I recall sharing a nip with him now and then when it chilled down in the AM at Ben White. Keep in mind, it was Ned Bowers shed, and if you did not indulge, you just never fitted in for some reason....we all drank, and many years later I regretted it. Been sober many years now, but blew several big chances to move forwards because of the drink. Got a few bones tossed my way via a Q drive, ect. and actually won a few with some nice stock. But the buzz was to important at the time, hence the regrets.
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« Reply #44 on: February 01, 2011, 04:49:19 PM »

  Ryan is ringing a bell. Yeah, he was pretty well pickled by that time. I would have this irate drunken leprechaun chasing me up and down the shedrow screeching how "no woman was going to tell him what to do", and "women didn't belong in the barn", etc.
I used to pack my lunch and when lunchtime rolled around I'ld find half of it gone. Old Red Dog, the only meal he'ld eat all day.. stealing it from me was a good incentive. I got Big Jim to ante up and started cooking for him, bringing it back at feedtime, and leaving it on the trunk. Neither one of us ever acknowledged it. He continued to screech at me every day, I continued to ignore him.  One day Tommy Tanner asked me if Red had showed me the picture he took.  Huh  Later on I checked Red's trunk. Under a towel I found a picture of me Tanner had taken and Red Dog kept. 
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« Reply #45 on: February 01, 2011, 05:39:30 PM »

  Sounds like Red Ryan to me....always *** about eveything, all the time.....I recall that he passed out in the barn alot, (kinda dozing off actually) and fell asleep one night in one of Neds stalls.  He was smoking a cig, and the stall caught fire, and heavily damaged one of Neds new Jerald sulkies.  Needless to say, Old Herman Holland was not a happy camper, and we passed the hat around and got Red a 1 way ticket to Illinois, his home state. Im pretty sure that was the last of Red on the circuit. I heard he passed shortly thereafter.....
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« Reply #46 on: March 07, 2011, 12:19:16 PM »

Are these blinkers under a gauze hood?  Does it always go under the bridle? Is all the fuzzy/scrunchy for looks or comfort?  Why full ear covers, how does that compare to plugs?

This is Fox Valley Click winning last night:



1. the horse does not have blinkers on it is a fly screen

We have used a fly hood on horses


1. to stop dirt hiting them in the face
2. for a horse that jumps shadows it helps him to keep his mind on what he is doing


Does it always go under the bridle

i would hate to see the strap come lose and it fly off his head

Is all the fuzzy/scrunchy for looks or comfort

Both

Why full ear covers

We have plugs also under the ear hood

even with plugs the hose can still here so the hood helps to keep it even more quite and with this the plugs can NOT come out

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