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« on: March 22, 2006, 09:18:36 AM »

Shocked Shocked Shocked  the award system,or shall i say, HORSEPLAYERS PLUS REWARDS, is a real slap in the face! lets see,bet 2500 get 5 free racing forms, bet 1000 get 5 balmoral programs, bet 7000 get a sweatshirt, get real! not what i call a great set of perks. you would think as bad as it is getting people to attend racing, something better would be offered.bet 1000 get valet parking, jesus h i cant walk 100 feet.bet 10000 get a 50 dollar voucher, why do i feel as if i should protect my backside. the rewards program stinks, its about them and the way of the rewards bring you back, reinvesting in themselves. i do bet and take advantage of thier measly perks, but i feel violated at time of redemtion


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« Reply #1 on: March 22, 2006, 10:09:51 AM »

if you wager 10,000 at balmoral, you need to use your $50 voucher for vaseline
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« Reply #2 on: March 22, 2006, 10:21:47 AM »

     If I wager a million, do I get a free Hamburger?  I guess it would take another 500k points to get a Coke with the hamburger, huh?  LOL

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« Reply #3 on: March 22, 2006, 12:14:02 PM »

Shocked Shocked Shocked  the award system,or shall i say, HORSEPLAYERS PLUS REWARDS, is a real slap in the face! lets see,bet 2500 get 5 free racing forms, bet 1000 get 5 balmoral programs, bet 7000 get a sweatshirt, get real! not what i call a great set of perks. you would think as bad as it is getting people to attend racing, something better would be offered.bet 1000 get valet parking, jesus h i cant walk 100 feet.bet 10000 get a 50 dollar voucher, why do i feel as if i should protect my backside. the rewards program stinks, its about them and the way of the rewards bring you back, reinvesting in themselves. i do bet and take advantage of thier measly perks, but i feel violated at time of redemtion


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If you must bet on track, Hawthorne is the ONLY place to be as far as rewards.  The Twin Spires club is a joke (went and made a $7k bet there last year and my "return" was a $5 voucher), and as you note, the HPP program leaves much to be desired.

I understand that they really can't give big rebates, but they should be blowing out food, etc.  If someone handles $500 a night, they should be eating the buffet for free.  $100 gets you a $5-10 food voucher.  Valet for every customer that averages a $100 a night.

Just my opinions.

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« Reply #4 on: March 22, 2006, 12:17:57 PM »

If you must bet on track, Hawthorne is the ONLY place to be as far as rewards.  The Twin Spires club is a joke (went and made a $7k bet there last year and my "return" was a $5 voucher), and as you note, the HPP program leaves much to be desired.

I understand that they really can't give big rebates, but they should be blowing out food, etc.  If someone handles $500 a night, they should be eating the buffet for free.  $100 gets you a $5-10 food voucher.  Valet for every customer that averages a $100 a night.

Just my opinions.

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By the way, the reason I like valet is this: if the person came to the door, you would then scan their card to ensure that they qualify for valet.  When you can their card, you know instantly WHO it is.  Therefore, you can send someone up there to greet anyone that bets more than about $250-400 a night, with professional and polite customer service.

Could you imagine what people might do if they got:

-free valet
-"Hello, Bob, welcome to Balmoral Park"
-"here's a dinner voucher good for either the buffet or any of the concessions.  Please have a good night, and let our staff know if you need anything."

Too bad it's a dream.

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« Reply #5 on: March 22, 2006, 12:24:06 PM »

Shocked Shocked Shocked  the award system,or shall i say, HORSEPLAYERS PLUS REWARDS, is a real slap in the face! lets see,bet 2500 get 5 free racing forms, bet 1000 get 5 balmoral programs, bet 7000 get a sweatshirt, get real! not what i call a great set of perks. you would think as bad as it is getting people to attend racing, something better would be offered.bet 1000 get valet parking, jesus h i cant walk 100 feet.bet 10000 get a 50 dollar voucher, why do i feel as if i should protect my backside. the rewards program stinks, its about them and the way of the rewards bring you back, reinvesting in themselves. i do bet and take advantage of thier measly perks, but i feel violated at time of redemtion


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I agree, you know, I placed about $900 in bets yesterday with an offshore account and today received
$65.00 cash in my account as a rebate.  Don't worry, everyone--I still bet 10's of thousands a year
at the local OTB's and tracks to "support" Illinois racing.

Not surprisingly, many offshore places will NOT accept TRIFECTA bets (or Supers) on Maywood and
Balmoral due to the BS games they play.  I can't say I blame them either!
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« Reply #6 on: March 22, 2006, 12:27:04 PM »

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I agree, you know, I placed about $900 in bets yesterday with an offshore account and today received
$65.00 cash in my account as a rebate.  Don't worry, everyone--I still bet 10's of thousands a year
at the local OTB's and tracks to "support" Illinois racing.

Not surprisingly, many offshore places will NOT accept TRIFECTA bets (or Supers) on Maywood and
Balmoral due to the BS games they play.  I can't say I blame them either!

You must really be betting on the fringe of offshores, Trotter.  I've never had a problem at all finding a place to take my action.  Especially since they set the limits.

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« Reply #7 on: March 22, 2006, 12:29:56 PM »

By the way, this is where I insert that the only way to beat the offshores is to LOWER THE TAKE.  They'll never have an ontrack rebate program that even comes close.  But, if you lower the take, you not only put the screws to the shops, but you also may force some more money into the pools because non-pooled places will most likely either pass on the signal or lower the limits.

WPS: 10%
Ex: 12.5%
Tri: 15%
Super, P3: 15%
P4: 10%

Roll those out and watch what happens.

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« Reply #8 on: March 22, 2006, 12:31:40 PM »

By the way, the reason I like valet is this: if the person came to the door, you would then scan their card to ensure that they qualify for valet.  When you can their card, you know instantly WHO it is.  Therefore, you can send someone up there to greet anyone that bets more than about $250-400 a night, with professional and polite customer service.

Could you imagine what people might do if they got:

-free valet
-"Hello, Bob, welcome to Balmoral Park"
-"here's a dinner voucher good for either the buffet or any of the concessions.  Please have a good night, and let our staff know if you need anything."

Too bad it's a dream.

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EW
Edwardwilliam:

     I could not agree with you more.  I think you are a wee-bit early on the implementation of such a plan that would encourage respectable treatment of the establishments returing customers.  You'll see free valet parking,warm greetings and the type of treatment you are referring to when the slot machines arrive.  

     Until then, we get to look forward to inhaling second hand smoke, $9 cheeseburgers, and $25 for decent seating arrangements (super booth). LOL.  You have to love Balmoral and Maywood track owners, at least they are indiscriminate on who they screw, it just don't matter to them.  Wink  As my good buddy Mr. Nance would say, "Chicago track owners are a joke."   Have a great day.

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« Reply #9 on: March 22, 2006, 12:43:26 PM »

YOU FOLKS ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY! IMO


That is the reason the  complete colapse of the horse racing industry in chicago is on the horizon!

If you go to any casino in the world-- They keep track of the players. Especially the hitters! They then treat them like royalty! ( Well until there busted out, then they wont give them 5 bucks to play the nickel slots!

I have a friend of mine who use to be at the track dam near 24/7. he hasn't been to a track in about 10 years now, reason being the treatment. whether he was at the track or the boat he would put 5 to 10 k in play each and every night. For him it was a simple choice, do I go to the track and get  treated like shit or do I go to the boat where they will treat me and comp me like I'm the most important person in the world!  

I honestly believe, If these greedy pricks that run the tracks in Chicago would just wake up and start treating the gamblers/fans with respect and go the extra mile instead of squeezing them of every dime possible, we would in fact see a resurgence in our fan base. Which in turn would lead to better handle and better quality of racing!


Ew--- You are 110% correct this is a dream. Maybe someday when there is nothing left at any chicagoland track-- one of the lucky sperm club members ( Johnsons) will have it!  

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« Reply #10 on: March 22, 2006, 12:50:38 PM »

Let's see. When my good friend and former owner Ray Howard was in Vegas with his gal friend a few months ago I got 4 tickets for us to see the Bill Medley ( The Righteous Bros) show a $240 value for free.

   Then after the show I got a full comp for 4 people at " Primo's Steak House" a wonderful high class place where Ray raved about his Lamb Chops and the size of the shrimp in his shrimp cocktail. That full comp at Primo's was a $300 value.

   The point is we spent a wonderful night out free of charge all because I bet on my players card at the Coast Casino's and I still have a million points left. The Coast Casino's aren't the only place I have points at from betting horses. We enjoy other perks at other places too. I'm really looking forward to the new " Red Rock Station " that is opening up in Summerlin on April 18th where I will also be firing in thousands and enjoying the great comps that go along with doing so.

    So, tell the Johnston's to keep their free programs for betting $1000 and their mad cow burgers for betting $10,000.


    
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« Reply #11 on: March 22, 2006, 12:52:51 PM »

YOU FOLKS ARE RIGHT ON THE MONEY! IMO


That is the reason the  complete colapse of the horse racing industry in chicago is on the horizon!

If you go to any casino in the world-- They keep track of the players. Especially the hitters! They then treat them like royalty! ( Well until there busted out, then they wont give them 5 bucks to play the nickel slots!

I have a friend of mine who use to be at the track dam near 24/7. he hasn't been to a track in about 10 years now, reason being the treatment. whether he was at the track or the boat he would put 5 to 10 k in play each and every night. For him it was a simple choice, do I go to the track and get  treated like shit or do I go to the boat where they will treat me and comp me like I'm the most important person in the world!  

I honestly believe, If these greedy pricks that run the tracks in Chicago would just wake up and start treating the gamblers/fans with respect and go the extra mile instead of squeezing them of every dime possible, we would in fact see a resurgence in our fan base. Which in turn would lead to better handle and better quality of racing!


Ew--- You are 110% correct this is a dream. Maybe someday when there is nothing left at any chicagoland track-- one of the lucky sperm club members ( Johnsons) will have it!  


DT2:

     I absolutely agree with you, which explains why there were about 20 to 30 people in the entire grandstand and clubhouse area last night at Balmoral.  People aren't going to put up with that kind of treatment and get a big one up their butt with paying for seating and food.  Enough is enough.  It's simply ridiculous and people are going where they are respected and treated like normal human beings…the river boats!

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« Reply #12 on: March 22, 2006, 03:12:50 PM »

DT2:

     I absolutely agree with you, which explains why there were about 20 to 30 people in the entire grandstand and clubhouse area last night at Balmoral.  People aren't going to put up with that kind of treatment and get a big one up their butt with paying for seating and food.  Enough is enough.  It's simply ridiculous and people are going where they are respected and treated like normal human beings…the river boats!

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Well said Joe.  What I really love about the $25 super booth is the stoopers and semi-vagrants who are myopic and play "Peeping Tom" by looking into the booth at our TVs !  They do this because the "free" TV near them has Mountaineer on it and they want to see a race from the Big M, for example.  Poor JoAnne in the nearby one-person booth has them peering right over her shoulder blade all night.  Now, mix in their dangled cancer sticks over the edge of the booth, and it's a perfect waste of the $25 for so-called "privacy".  It's more like "piracy" - the rates they charge for good seating and cockamamie refreshments.  Meanwhile, what do these "cancer plume clubbers" pay for their seating - that's right $ 0 !  Maybe Jim Hannon will skip through there next week and declare "...see, it's not that bad -yikes !   trotter  TC
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« Reply #13 on: March 22, 2006, 03:24:39 PM »

Let's see. When my good friend and former owner Ray Howard was in Vegas with his gal friend a few months ago I got 4 tickets for us to see the Bill Medley ( The Righteous Bros) show a $240 value for free.

   Then after the show I got a full comp for 4 people at " Primo's Steak House" a wonderful high class place where Ray raved about his Lamb Chops and the size of the shrimp in his shrimp cocktail. That full comp at Primo's was a $300 value.

   The point is we spent a wonderful night out free of charge all because I bet on my players card at the Coast Casino's and I still have a million points left. The Coast Casino's aren't the only place I have points at from betting horses. We enjoy other perks at other places too. I'm really looking forward to the new " Red Rock Station " that is opening up in Summerlin on April 18th where I will also be firing in thousands and enjoying the great comps that go along with doing so.

    So, tell the Johnston's to keep their free programs for betting $1000 and their mad cow burgers for betting $10,000.


     


Imagine the steak, shrimp, and tickets you could buy if you got a rebate!  Wink

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« Reply #14 on: March 22, 2006, 03:48:00 PM »

             I once proposed a rebate solution to management on what percentage you get back . does'nt take a rocket scientist to put diiferent bettors in different categories . naturally the bigger players get a bigger rebate . why should some 2 dollar bettor get the same rebate as a bigger bettor . no business works that way in gambling ! the track has lost numerous players to off-shore accounts . the track will barely survive if they dont restructure their rebate system in the future , it will get nothing but worse . soon the no smoking ban will be enforced everywhere and that will send the smokers to their couch to bet . its very hard to be optimistic on where harness racing is headed other than downhill in illinois . I wish it was different but track owners and society are at fault . I personally am quitting smoking , but to ban smoking in bars and racetracks is against your rights . they could clearly have smoking bars and non smoking bars and the racetrack as big as it is can certainly have a smoking area to keep the smokers happy and secluded , but no ! the next society change may be what time you can stay out too ! you may not be aware but big brother is starting to take control !    RTP
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« Reply #15 on: March 22, 2006, 04:19:02 PM »

Let's face it, racetracks do not comp people or treat people as well as the Casino's do.   I too, over the years, have been superbly comped and treated by some riverboat casino's and what they've given me will likely never be equalled by a racetrack and I much prefer the racetrack!
Its hard to understand this mentality.   Charm School 101 for racetrack employees and Customer Service 101 ought to be a priority for anybody working at the tracks.....
RTP - speaking of smoking, the City of Lexington, Kentucky has banned smoking in public places.   Last Saturday night I went to the Red Mile to view the simulcasting of races from tracks I've never seen before (they do them all, even far and away Canadian) and the non-smoking rule was in effect.   People went outside to smoke but the atmosphere and ability to breath inside was better than I ever remember it there before.   The place is still dismal, dark, programs at 55 cents apiece (can you believe that?) were so poorly printed I was getting eye strain trying to read them.   The ticket sellers cashiers - no real gems there either.   On a particular early race wager I requested a 'trifecta part-wheel, 6 with 4 with 1,2,3.   This is the common way to request 641, 642, and 643.   Lady says "How is that a trifecta?"   DUH!    I had to explain it to her and knew I was in trouble.   Their 'Sam Machines' are just plain weird.   Never did warm up to them.   I suppose if I was a regular and took the time to learn they'd be okay but I wasn't there on my visit to hold up the lines (okay they weren't that long) or play around with something new.  Just wanted to make my bets and get out of the way.
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« Reply #16 on: March 22, 2006, 04:26:01 PM »

Imagine the steak, shrimp, and tickets you could buy if you got a rebate!  Wink

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All my perks for the year add up to about the same thing I would get in rebates. I would have to take the cash and pay for all the entertainment, rooms, meals, ect. so what's the difference? Unless I'm going to sit at home like a couch potato and never go out and bank the rebate the rebate means nothing. Now if you're a compulsive gambler and need the rebate money to keep you in action then that's a different story.
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« Reply #17 on: March 22, 2006, 04:55:25 PM »

All my perks for the year add up to about the same thing I would get in rebates. I would have to take the cash and pay for all the entertainment, rooms, meals, ect. so what's the difference? Unless I'm going to sit at home like a couch potato and never go out and bank the rebate the rebate means nothing. Now if you're a compulsive gambler and need the rebate money to keep you in action then that's a different story.

I'd rather have control over my "perks" -- and use them on whichever entertainment, food, etc that I wish.

Also, if you did in fact handle as you said last year, I find it hard to believe that you would've collected between $15-20k in rebates.

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« Reply #18 on: March 22, 2006, 05:27:47 PM »

I'd rather have control over my "perks" -- and use them on whichever entertainment, food, etc that I wish.

Also, if you did in fact handle as you said last year, I find it hard to believe that you would've collected between $15-20k in rebates.

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Let's see.

   Just with the great meals my family and friends and myself enjoy alone for the year I figure at all the different restaurants we eat at it would cost me at least $10,000. I'm not lying when I tell you we eat at least $200 a week and many times more then that in meals that are comped. At $200 a week that's over $10,000 alone in restaurant comps. Now add all the free rooms I get for people and the free rooms I use when my wife and I want to take a little weekend getaway and that's adds up to thousands more. Then add in all the free entertainment I use my comps for and that adds up more thousands. Then add the hundreds I save on programs and free drinks all year and thats another couple of thousand.

   The 14K in rebates I would get if I bet with rebate shops don't add up to what I get in quality enjoyment for the money I put through the windows. You take your rebates Edward and I'll enjoy life with my rebate in the form of quality comps.     
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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2006, 05:34:05 PM »

EW, you are showing your Las Vegas naivete.  The best part of that town is its treatment of the player.  The offshore places aren't treating you well - it costs them ZERO man hours to calculate a rebate and it costs them NOTHING to give it.  You know of course it's only a kickback on the difference they pay (or not) for a signal vs. the "hold" of the bet on track. In Mecca (Las Vegas), your host still has a premium on his / her time, as does the waitstaff of your comped meal, drink, etc.  You can't compare treating yourself to a comped $375 / night room at the Palms or Green Valley Ranch to a cold, calculated rebate.  I know of one guy who "fires" that had me ask his offshore "guy" why he wasn't getting his rebate.  It turns out he was, though he didn't notice as it was another bullet in his holster (account).  You NEVER forget good service via complementaries, especially when you can hook your friends up with them.  Sorry, NO COMPARISON !   trotter  TC
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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2006, 05:59:41 PM »

EW, you are showing your Las Vegas naivete.  The best part of that town is its treatment of the player.  The offshore places aren't treating you well - it costs them ZERO man hours to calculate a rebate and it costs them NOTHING to give it.  You know of course it's only a kickback on the difference they pay (or not) for a signal vs. the "hold" of the bet on track. In Mecca (Las Vegas), your host still has a premium on his / her time, as does the waitstaff of your comped meal, drink, etc.  You can't compare treating yourself to a comped $375 / night room at the Palms or Green Valley Ranch to a cold, calculated rebate.  I know of one guy who "fires" that had me ask his offshore "guy" why he wasn't getting his rebate.  It turns out he was, though he didn't notice as it was another bullet in his holster (account).  You NEVER forget good service via complementaries, especially when you can hook your friends up with them.  Sorry, NO COMPARISON !   trotter  TC

They definitely treat their players well, TC.  Even the few times I've been out there to throw my comparatively small bones around I've been treated quite well.  I think Dan said it right: "I take my rebates, and he takes his comps."  Personally, I'd rather have the $ -- because let me tell you -- you don't need to spend $100 to get a meal here in Nashvegas, and I can go to the Opry for $40!  Wink

To each his own!

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2006, 06:03:17 PM »

They definitely treat their players well, TC.  Even the few times I've been out there to throw my comparatively small bones around I've been treated quite well.  I think Dan said it right: "I take my rebates, and he takes his comps."  Personally, I'd rather have the $ -- because let me tell you -- you don't need to spend $100 to get a meal here in Nashvegas, and I can go to the Opry for $40!  Wink

To each his own!

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Everyone also forgets how much rebates increase your handle, and thereby, your potential to win.  That's my other big drive in selecting them...

But, at the end of the day, it's just about being happy!

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But, at the end of the day, it's just about being happy!

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And man you're so right. I've never been happier since I moved to Vegas. 
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They definitely treat their players well, TC.  Even the few times I've been out there to throw my comparatively small bones around I've been treated quite well.  I think Dan said it right: "I take my rebates, and he takes his comps."  Personally, I'd rather have the $ -- because let me tell you -- you don't need to spend $100 to get a meal here in Nashvegas, and I can go to the Opry for $40!  Wink

To each his own!

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EW, I could see your point IF a player in a rebate situation actually "spooned off" their rebates and put them in another account and allowed them to accumulate.  Normally, the players go cold and are betting their last few "bullets", which is their rebate monies.  IN Las Vegas, I decline a limo pick-up (not my style), a host following me like a puppy dog, etc.  I do expect a nice room, some "consideration" concerning meals, golf (perhaps), and VIP passes to clubs (if so inclined).  I don't have to put a cold dollar figure on the service and I tip very well (except at Crimoral).  No one has ever taken a bag for me, served a drink to me, cashed a winning session for me without getting a toke.  Your tact is a tad selfish, but then again every book ever written on being a successful player tells you to gamble alone, so you aren't to blame.  There is no town on this planet like Las Vegas and I praise the ghost of Bugsy Siegel every day for popularizing it.   trotter  TC
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« Reply #24 on: March 22, 2006, 07:03:05 PM »

What difference does the rebate or comps argument make if someone, like edwardwilliam, chooses not to live in Las Vegas? I would rather have the cold, hard cash and live where I choose to live, not where I have to live to get the comps.
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« Reply #25 on: March 22, 2006, 07:17:12 PM »

What difference does the rebate or comps argument make if someone, like edwardwilliam, chooses not to live in Las Vegas? I would rather have the cold, hard cash and live where I choose to live, not where I have to live to get the comps.

Let me tell you something, pal. I'll live here even if I never get one comp.

    I don't live some where to get comps. I choose to live here because for me like many, many, many, many, others it's all about being happy with your surroundings. Comps are only an added bonus if you play horses in this city.
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« Reply #26 on: March 22, 2006, 08:17:07 PM »

I don't live some where to get comps. I choose to live here because for me like many, many, many, many, others it's all about being happy with your surroundings.

I'm glad you live where you want. You and the vast majority of Americans.

My question was what difference does the comps or rebate argument make, if for someone like edwardwilliam there are no comps? What if you do not care about the kind of things casinos comp you, like over the hill lounge acts? Of course edwardwilliam is the one who said you could get a rebate instead of comps to start the discussion, so I understand where you are coming from.
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« Reply #27 on: March 22, 2006, 08:21:47 PM »

I'm glad you live where you want. You and the vast majority of Americans.

My question was what difference does the comps or rebate argument make, if for someone like edwardwilliam there are no comps? What if you do not care about the kind of things casinos comp you, like over the hill lounge acts? Of course edwardwilliam is the one who said you could get a rebate instead of comps to start the discussion, so I understand where you are coming from.

You see there you go again with your smart ass comments. You don't need a comp for an over the hill lounge act. Lounge acts are free. However you do have to pay for show tickets to see people you could never be as famous as because of who they are. 
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« Reply #28 on: March 22, 2006, 08:29:37 PM »

You see there you go again with your smart ass comments. You don't need a comp for an over the hill lounge act. Lounge acts are free. However you do have to pay for show tickets to see people you could never be as famous as because of who they are. 

I didn't mean a real lounge act in a lounge, I was talking about the type of thing you wrote a day or two ago. $40 tickets to see one of the Everly or Righteous brothers. $40 for that? That kind of act plays Illinois village summer festivals for $2 admission if there is admission. Only in Vegas do they cost $40. That being the case, is it really as good as $40 cash in some other city?
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« Reply #29 on: March 22, 2006, 08:42:07 PM »

I didn't mean a real lounge act in a lounge, I was talking about the type of thing you wrote a day or two ago. $40 tickets to see one of the Everly or Righteous brothers. $40 for that? That kind of act plays Illinois village summer festivals for $2 admission if there is admission. Only in Vegas do they cost $40. That being the case, is it really as good as $40 cash in some other city?

http://www.suncoastcasino.com/entertainment/headliner-schedule.php

It's $71.50 to see Tony Orlando "Knock Three Times" -- and I thought I'd seen it all!

But, like I said -- to each his own.  I choose to have total control of my money more often than not, however, and there's many that do the same...most racebooks have taken a huge hit lately.

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« Reply #30 on: March 22, 2006, 08:46:14 PM »

http://www.suncoastcasino.com/entertainment/headliner-schedule.php

It's $71.50 to see Tony Orlando "Knock Three Times" -- and I thought I'd seen it all!

But, like I said -- to each his own.  I choose to have total control of my money more often than not, however, and there's many that do the same...most racebooks have taken a huge hit lately.

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     It's still better than seeing some hillbilly with 3 teeth playing a Banjo signing Elvis the drug addict songs...But I suppose it's all a matter of preference.
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« Reply #31 on: March 22, 2006, 08:49:41 PM »

It's $71.50 to see Tony Orlando "Knock Three Times" -- and I thought I'd seen it all!

That's what I mean. Do you think anyone really pays that kind of money to see acts like that? Two old couples from Des Moines per night maybe. Everyone else comped. The casinos write the "face value" prices to make people who get comps think they are getting a big deal.
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« Reply #32 on: March 22, 2006, 08:50:00 PM »

I didn't mean a real lounge act in a lounge, I was talking about the type of thing you wrote a day or two ago. $40 tickets to see one of the Everly or Righteous brothers. $40 for that? That kind of act plays Illinois village summer festivals for $2 admission if there is admission. Only in Vegas do they cost $40. That being the case, is it really as good as $40 cash in some other city?
tonymfan, when we go to Las Vegas, we turn down most of the comps bestowed on us.  Ringside seats at the UFC matches, 4th row for Bon Jovi or Elton John, etc.  I'll go out of my way to say yes to Springsteen or back in the day Rodney Dangerfield (RIP) or Don Rickles.  It's the fact that you are treated special, not some cold, calculated number that makes the town the magical place that it is.  Years back, you could say blond, brunette, or redhead (if you were so inclined); send up a bottle of Dom or Glenlivet or a case of Diet Pepsi for that matter.  Here, the track makes you swipe your card (which never swipes smoothly all the time) dozens upon dozens pf times just to get a free program.  There's nothing wrong with the 7% & up Pinnacle and the others offer, but when they bar this and that re: Balmoral - what's the use ?  90 % of my Las Vegas play for years has been on the horses and they know how to treat their good customers.  My host told me to ask for coach fare reimbursement, but I was too proud.  Herr, they give away 2 free Gas City vouchers at $20 apiece and bust out the other 698 patrons with total false hope - NICE !  They don't even have the swipe and win a "dime" anymore; instead the cockamamie unbalanced wheel of (mis)fortune has made a re-appearance.  Most folks win $50 or $100.  In the desert, I haven't paid for a racing form or program in years; here the person who sells them tells you your sick total with glee (and a sneer).  No wonder business is in the pichadou... trotter  TC
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« Reply #33 on: March 22, 2006, 09:01:17 PM »

tonymfan, when we go to Las Vegas, we turn down most of the comps bestowed on us.  Ringside seats at the UFC matches, 4th row for Bon Jovi or Elton John, etc.  I'll go out of my way to say yes to Springsteen or back in the day Rodney Dangerfield (RIP) or Don Rickles.  It's the fact that you are treated special, not some cold, calculated number that makes the town the magical place that it is.  Years back, you could say blond, brunette, or redhead (if you were so inclined); send up a bottle of Dom or Glenlivet or a case of Diet Pepsi for that matter.  Here, the track makes you swipe your card (which never swipes smoothly all the time) dozens upon dozens pf times just to get a free program.  There's nothing wrong with the 7% & up Pinnacle and the others offer, but when they bar this and that re: Balmoral - what's the use ?  90 % of my Las Vegas play for years has been on the horses and they know how to treat their good customers.  My host told me to ask for coach fare reimbursement, but I was too proud.  Herr, they give away 2 free Gas City vouchers at $20 apiece and bust out the other 698 patrons with total false hope - NICE !  They don't even have the swipe and win a "dime" anymore; instead the cockamamie unbalanced wheel of (mis)fortune has made a re-appearance.  Most folks win $50 or $100.  In the desert, I haven't paid for a racing form or program in years; here the person who sells them tells you your sick total with glee (and a sneer).  No wonder business is in the pichadou... trotter  TC

No argument Vegas casinos treat you better than racetracks. I understand that. They can afford to comp because their profit margin on racing is more than racetracks. Just as important, they are in a competitive business and understand it. But the question is if you don't live in Las Vegas and are a regular horseplayer where you live, what difference does it make what they do in Las Vegas? If you live in Nevada or Atlantic City you have a choice about rebate or comp, anywhere else no.
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« Reply #34 on: March 22, 2006, 09:04:34 PM »

I'm a twin spires member.  I like Churchill Downs and will put down a grand a day every day they run during the spring meet.  I bet a lot, the exact amount I don't know.  I also bet Woodbine and Mohawk at night on many occasions.  Last year I got a gold card and a parking permit in the mail, the card gets me a free program every day and a seat in the smoke filled gold club room.  In 2005, I continued to bet on CD like before.  Woodbine and Mohawk the same.  I learned servral years ago that Chicago harness was throwing money in the trash.  My gold card went missing during the summer and they gave me a "temporary" card but i could still get a free book every day.  I bet ellis park one day, a grand, and lost every single bet, it happens but the form I saw was non existant. I stoppped betting altogether. my gold  card never arrrived, I got an invite to the million, which i don't give a shit about and decided I'd take the free food in the gold club room at AP.  I get there and my name is nowhere and they looked it up and said we appreciate your business but this place is full but here is a ticket for the outdoor tent.  *** that, I went home and kept my money.  Near Xmas, I got an invoice for six KY Derby and Oaks tickets, great seats,for face value.  I sent the $875 for the six pack for both.  Then I get a SILVER card in the mail for 2006.  Let me tell you something, these guys are idiots.  I bet a ton.  More in 05 than 04 and I get bounced down a level.  I'm looking forward to attending the derby in person though.  THe moral is the perk for twin spires is getting to see the derby in good seats, period.  Maywood, hawthorne, balmoral, what is the carrot for betting huge?  Junk. You should get a hooker, dope, limo rides, something, not a shitty looking coat or cap.  
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« Reply #35 on: March 22, 2006, 10:16:50 PM »

I'm a twin spires member.  I like Churchill Downs and will put down a grand a day every day they run during the spring meet.  I bet a lot, the exact amount I don't know.  I also bet Woodbine and Mohawk at night on many occasions.  Last year I got a gold card and a parking permit in the mail, the card gets me a free program every day and a seat in the smoke filled gold club room.  In 2005, I continued to bet on CD like before.  Woodbine and Mohawk the same.  I learned servral years ago that Chicago harness was throwing money in the trash.  My gold card went missing during the summer and they gave me a "temporary" card but i could still get a free book every day.  I bet ellis park one day, a grand, and lost every single bet, it happens but the form I saw was non existant. I stoppped betting altogether. my gold  card never arrrived, I got an invite to the million, which i don't give a shit about and decided I'd take the free food in the gold club room at AP.  I get there and my name is nowhere and they looked it up and said we appreciate your business but this place is full but here is a ticket for the outdoor tent.  f*** that, I went home and kept my money.  Near Xmas, I got an invoice for six KY Derby and Oaks tickets, great seats,for face value.  I sent the $875 for the six pack for both.  Then I get a SILVER card in the mail for 2006.  Let me tell you something, these guys are idiots.  I bet a ton.  More in 05 than 04 and I get bounced down a level.  I'm looking forward to attending the derby in person though.  THe moral is the perk for twin spires is getting to see the derby in good seats, period.  Maywood, hawthorne, balmoral, what is the carrot for betting huge?  Junk. You should get a hooker, dope, limo rides, something, not a shitty looking coat or cap. 

They have quarterly and yearly qualifiers for the bronze, silver, and gold cards.  Chances are you caught a quarterly qualifier in 04, and although you bet more for the year in 05, you didn't reach the "gold level."

However, I pretty agree with you.  All these plans are crap.  Hawthorne's isn't bad (they give about 2-3% rebate in vouchers), but really they are all pretty piss poor.

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« Reply #36 on: March 22, 2006, 10:35:32 PM »

Imo

The true point on this debate is quite simple!

It is not about dinners,valet parking , and 20 here and there for betting a certain amount each night.

IT IS ABOUT SHOWING AND TREATING THE VERY PEOPLE WHO MAKE YOUR LIVING POSSIBLE , A LITTLE RESPECT! BUT MORE SO MAKING THEM FEEL THEY ARE  IMPORTANT!!!!!!

And at the very least, let them  walk away with something other than the feeling of  being taken advantage of!

Face it, times have changed! The days of massive crowds at the track to see champions battle champions are over with  for the most part.

Imo, our socity demands more for everything,period! whether it is entainment dollars to the best price and features of a vacum cleaner.

And quite frankly the track owners greed watched that ship sail along time ago!

What is the next step, start treating the players that are left with a little respect and start building the fan base from scratch now!


  
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